European view on Katrina



JohnO

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Having had my fill of negative and narrow opinions in that wretched thread on Germany and Katrina, I thought it would be appropriate to look at the actions of the majority of the people in Europe. Actions speak louder than words, and these actions shout. Look at what is happening:

Germany is sending high speed water pumps, heavy lift transport aircraft, a hospital ship, and water purification units. They have already delivered 75,000 meals.

France is sending water purification units, a hospital ship, two Navy support ships, portable generators, portable housing, and teams to set it all up. Much of this was prepositioned in the Antilles for French military use, so they are dipping into their military reserves.

Luxembourg sends a rescue team, camp beds, and blankets. Small country, big heart.

Britain is sending 500,000 field rations, medical teams, marine engineers, urban search/rescue teams, and shallow water boats. Imagine the dazed person rescued by the Royal Navy, and offered a spot of tea - man, that was some hurricane, it blew me across the Atlantic.

Austria is sending a crisis team and water pumps.

Belgium sends medical teams, civil engineers, divers, portable generators and lights.

Czech Republic sends a flood rescue unit, pumping units, water purifiers, a field hospital, chemical analysis group, and medical units.

Greece is sending two cruise ships for housing.

Hungary sends rescue teams.

Finland sends rescue teams.

Ireland sends first aid kits, meals, water purification units, medical equipment, and specialist teams.

Italy sends water pumps, chlorine for water purification, portable housing, and baby food formula.

Netherlands sends medical teams, water pumps (and you can bet they have some big ones), engineering teams (they have plenty of experience with flooding), a water purification unit, and a Navy ship with fresh water and medical supplies.

Spain sends fire fighters and rescue units with equipment, medical teams, a field hospital, generators, portable water treatment plant,

Sweden sends cell phone network repair equipment, heavy lift aircraft, water pumps, water purification units, and meals.

The European nations have already opened up their own strategic petroleum reserves to alleviate shortages, and folks, that is no small thing to do.

Even outside of Europe, the assistance has poured in. Kuwait sends half a billion (yes, that's billion) dollars. Man, those guys don't mess around... Venezuela, a country that has been at odds with our current president, has responded very generously. That's character. Cuba, who is about as broke as a country can get, and as at odds with us as a country can get, sends assistance. The size of the country doesn't matter - Latvia, Lithuania, and even Malta have sent assistance. And that's just a partial list - it's hard to find a country that hasn't offered assistance.

And we aren't talking token gestures, the assistance being sent is both substantial and expensive. I really feel rather humbled by it all, especially by the nations we've had disagreements with lately, stemming at least partially from bullheaded thinking on our part. Those quarrels got pushed aside very quickly. Whether I agree with it or not, our current government has adopted a 'go it alone' policy in recent years. Then, we get hammered, and we find that we can't go it alone. (I hear a collective "well, duh!" from the rest of the world)

If there is one bright spot in this disaster, it is this realization: We have a lot of very good friends out there, and we need to listen to them.
 
Nice thread John,

anti americanism in Europe is largely down to the actions and inactions of the american govt and not the american people themselves.

it would have been insulting to the richest country in the world if Germany, France and the UK etc were to offer aid in light of a perventable disaster such as katrina.

it would have been better to wait and be asked. The aid would be ready and waiting to be shipped the moment the news hit...

no one in europe believes that america deserved 9/11 or Katrina. (except for a couple of nutters that exist in every country including the usa)...

wether or not these events were of thier own making is a different debate however.



JohnO said:
Having had my fill of negative and narrow opinions in that wretched thread on Germany and Katrina, I thought it would be appropriate to look at the actions of the majority of the people in Europe. Actions speak louder than words, and these actions shout. Look at what is happening:

Germany is sending high speed water pumps, heavy lift transport aircraft, a hospital ship, and water purification units. They have already delivered 75,000 meals.

France is sending water purification units, a hospital ship, two Navy support ships, portable generators, portable housing, and teams to set it all up. Much of this was prepositioned in the Antilles for French military use, so they are dipping into their military reserves.

Luxembourg sends a rescue team, camp beds, and blankets. Small country, big heart.

Britain is sending 500,000 field rations, medical teams, marine engineers, urban search/rescue teams, and shallow water boats. Imagine the dazed person rescued by the Royal Navy, and offered a spot of tea - man, that was some hurricane, it blew me across the Atlantic.

Austria is sending a crisis team and water pumps.

Belgium sends medical teams, civil engineers, divers, portable generators and lights.

Czech Republic sends a flood rescue unit, pumping units, water purifiers, a field hospital, chemical analysis group, and medical units.

Greece is sending two cruise ships for housing.

Hungary sends rescue teams.

Finland sends rescue teams.

Ireland sends first aid kits, meals, water purification units, medical equipment, and specialist teams.

Italy sends water pumps, chlorine for water purification, portable housing, and baby food formula.

Netherlands sends medical teams, water pumps (and you can bet they have some big ones), engineering teams (they have plenty of experience with flooding), a water purification unit, and a Navy ship with fresh water and medical supplies.

Spain sends fire fighters and rescue units with equipment, medical teams, a field hospital, generators, portable water treatment plant,

Sweden sends cell phone network repair equipment, heavy lift aircraft, water pumps, water purification units, and meals.

The European nations have already opened up their own strategic petroleum reserves to alleviate shortages, and folks, that is no small thing to do.

Even outside of Europe, the assistance has poured in. Kuwait sends half a billion (yes, that's billion) dollars. Man, those guys don't mess around... Venezuela, a country that has been at odds with our current president, has responded very generously. That's character. Cuba, who is about as broke as a country can get, and as at odds with us as a country can get, sends assistance. The size of the country doesn't matter - Latvia, Lithuania, and even Malta have sent assistance. And that's just a partial list - it's hard to find a country that hasn't offered assistance.

And we aren't talking token gestures, the assistance being sent is both substantial and expensive. I really feel rather humbled by it all, especially by the nations we've had disagreements with lately, stemming at least partially from bullheaded thinking on our part. Those quarrels got pushed aside very quickly. Whether I agree with it or not, our current government has adopted a 'go it alone' policy in recent years. Then, we get hammered, and we find that we can't go it alone. (I hear a collective "well, duh!" from the rest of the world)

If there is one bright spot in this disaster, it is this realization: We have a lot of very good friends out there, and we need to listen to them.
 
I have seen alot of people from Lousiana, and Mississippi coming all the way to West Texas. As good as it is that all these country's are sending help. It's just sad that they have a good possibility of being told to do nothing. 20/20 a show here in the states interviewed a sheriff and his people from Indiana who said as they were entering the outskirts of New Orleans. FEMA authority's pulled thier guns and made them turn back around. There was also a 7 man EMT squad. who drove down to New Orleans, FEMA sent them to Dallas, then Houston, Corpus Christi next, and they said they moved once more, but did not mention where. But they said out of the whole week they have only been able to help one person, and that was someone with a minor scratch. I'm sorry to all those people who hate me for saying this, but in the good words of "KANYE WEST" GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT CARE!
 
JohnO said:
Having had my fill of negative and narrow opinions in that wretched thread on Germany and Katrina, I thought it would be appropriate to look at the actions of the majority of the people in Europe. Actions speak louder than words, and these actions shout. Look at what is happening:

Germany ....

If there is one bright spot in this disaster, it is this realization: We have a lot of very good friends out there, and we need to listen to them.

This info is nice to hear - but where did you get these facts? I never even heard of this aid from other countries from my local news yet (radio, TV, internet)! I haven't been watching TV that much except the evening news sometimes and I listen to the radio while driving to work.
 
That is unfortunate that the news is not reporting on the assistance from the rest of the world. It is all over the news here in Europe. I did catch a snippet on CNN showing the Mexican and Belgian sailors ashore helping out, but no real mention of much else... :(
 
ScottishDan said:
Bush is now in attendance :D
hey, give the man credit....at least the visit to Louisiana wasnt all doom and gloom, this is a ideal chance for some fishin'...thats called 'takin the initiative'...not as pig thick as you think.
 
JTE83 said:
This info is nice to hear - but where did you get these facts? I never even heard of this aid from other countries from my local news yet (radio, TV, internet)! I haven't been watching TV that much except the evening news sometimes and I listen to the radio while driving to work.


CNN.COM has a page on foreign assistance. Search their site to find it.

It surprised me a bit too, not just the assistance, but the quantity of it. These aren't token amounts, they are a substantial contributions, at substantial expense to those nations. And they're all helping out, large and small. Personally, I feel very grateful to have such good friends, and really wish the rest of my nation were made aware of this.

It isn't on broadcast news, because it's not bad news. I lost broadcast television at my house when my satellite receiver blew out - seven years ago. Never bothered to replace it, and after six months, I found that I didn't miss it. These days, I go to the internet for news, and NPR while commuting. Much more balanced, much less commercially influenced.

What I've learned in the last seven years is that if you trust broadcast news to sort out the facts for you, you're in trouble. It's like not paying attention to your finances - if you trust someone else, they will end up acting in their best interests, not yours.
 
Nice post John O.

I think plenty of countries are willing to help the poor people who were left in New Orleans to cope with that hurricane.

I know that a lot of Irish people oppose Bush and his policies - but that doesn't mean that we oppose the ordinary US citizen.
I would imagine that a lot of countries, which may oppose a country politically, would be prepared to help in any way possible.

As you say, good news items seldom get coverage.
 
Yeah good news is NO NEWS.......!

The netherlands is helping America big time.......military are helping a lot of americans there with cleaning up the mess....!!!

The american people in New Orleans are very happy with us.....

So conclusion: most europeans aren't america haters or whatever.....I do think that the majority of the world doesn't like Bush and his politics, but that's a different discussion......!!! Even in America I hear only 35% of the population still supports Bush! It took you guys some years to figure that out:D.....but never to late....

Now vote gore next time will ya!!!


limerickman said:
Nice post John O.


I think plenty of countries are willing to help the poor people who were left in New Orleans to cope with that hurricane.

I know that a lot of Irish people oppose Bush and his policies - but that doesn't mean that we oppose the ordinary US citizen.
I would imagine that a lot of countries, which may oppose a country politically, would be prepared to help in any way possible.

As you say, good news items seldom get coverage.
 
MJtje said:
Yeah good news is NO NEWS.......!

The netherlands is helping America big time.......military are helping a lot of americans there with cleaning up the mess....!!!

The american people in New Orleans are very happy with us.....

So conclusion: most europeans aren't america haters or whatever.....I do think that the majority of the world doesn't like Bush and his politics, but that's a different discussion......!!! Even in America I hear only 35% of the population still supports Bush! It took you guys some years to figure that out:D.....but never to late....

Now vote gore next time will ya!!!

Some here assume that Europeans hate America.

99.99999% of Americans I have ever met, have been pleasant courteous people.

And it is good to see that ordinary people here (in Europe) are prepared to put their hand in their pocket to help ordianry folk there (in America).
 
JohnO said:
...If there is one bright spot in this disaster, it is this realization: We have a lot of very good friends out there, and we need to listen to them.
Good post, John. I believe the other posters are correct. Most of the issues that we argue over here are political - and that is the nature of politics. There would be very few people on here who are against the American people. I would hope that the majority of us are happy to help out in your time of need. Thankyou for bringing it up.