WTF? Sword wheeling?? Its "sword wielding" you jerk.Crankyfeet said:...but failed to see the irony that Christianity has also a history of brutality and sword wheeling
See Bro, this is an example of why Aussie's can never be smart.
WTF? Sword wheeling?? Its "sword wielding" you jerk.Crankyfeet said:...but failed to see the irony that Christianity has also a history of brutality and sword wheeling
I guess you need to ask youself if Christ would have been ok with the crusades etc..And then ask the man that "invented" Islam (and had several wives including a 13 year old )if he would approve of 911. No and yes. The failures of individuals to act properly and the failure in doctrine are separate issues. I dont believe that Islam is a peacefull religion. ....If we have spelling police now , I better stop here.Bro Deal said:Oh, come on. You don't see the irony of a christian criticizing the the way islam was spread?
It's like Dubya criticizing Saddam.
It doesn't matter what people claim they believe. It only matters how they actually behave. Despite all that Marxists claimed to believe, the reality turned out quite a bit different. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all have murderous histories that continue to this day. They are bad fruit from a poisoned tree.Billsworld said:I guess you need to ask youself if Christ would have been ok with the crusades etc..And then ask the man that "invented" Islam (and had several wives including a 13 year old )if he would approve of 911. No and yes. The failures of individuals to act properly and the failure in doctrine are separate issues. I dont believe that Islam is a peacefull religion.
The Bible instructs Christians to do so. It also says to visit prisoners and care for widows and orphans etc... The evangelizing that takes place is only a part of what outreach is supposed to be. Often it is put on the backburner in place of more imediate survival needs of people . My Church devotes a fair amout of time collecting food for local food banks and such. The food banks provide us a list of desired item and we attempt to fill the list. Tons and tons of food and clothes are collected with no follow up from us. This is also separate from Church funds and or giving.bkaapcke said:A while back I raised the point that a lot of christlian charity doesn't count for much in the sense that it often doesn't add up to 'good works'. This met with some objection fron the christlians, and I didn't go into it much more.
My point is this; most of the time, gathering souls for the lord is the main objective. The 'charity' of feeding the poor becomes an incidental, tax deductible, cost of being in the business of gathering souls.
With the wrong motive, the so called charity becomes empty and meaningless. It won't get you any points. Kind of like living a good life and doing good works, but not believing. Standard doctrine holds that this will not get you into heaven.
Of course, the poor appreciate the food, but they aren't going to tell you they want it 'to go' because they don't want to hear the scripture that comes with it. People everywhere understand that if a man offers to share his food, you don't tell him you'd rather not eat it in his kitchen.
Then there is a cultural arrogance aspect to the thing. To go into third world countries and help them get crops going and all that, but add a strong suggestion that they give up their own traditions and religion is just over the top. What you're saying is; Our religion is better, and we have the food to prove it. Well, you have no proof that yours is better.
It's all a big game to score points with god, to be cashed in when arriving at the pearly gates. The motives set the tone, and thereby discount the actions. bk
Why am I not allowed to help people for the sake of my own spiritual development?bkaapcke said:A while back I raised the point that a lot of christlian charity doesn't count for much in the sense that it often doesn't add up to 'good works'. This met with some objection fron the christlians, and I didn't go into it much more.
My point is this; most of the time, gathering souls for the lord is the main objective. The 'charity' of feeding the poor becomes an incidental, tax deductible, cost of being in the business of gathering souls.
With the wrong motive, the so called charity becomes empty and meaningless. It won't get you any points. Kind of like living a good life and doing good works, but not believing. Standard doctrine holds that this will not get you into heaven.
Of course, the poor appreciate the food, but they aren't going to tell you they want it 'to go' because they don't want to hear the scripture that comes with it. People everywhere understand that if a man offers to share his food, you don't tell him you'd rather not eat it in his kitchen.
Then there is a cultural arrogance aspect to the thing. To go into third world countries and help them get crops going and all that, but add a strong suggestion that they give up their own traditions and religion is just over the top. What you're saying is; Our religion is better, and we have the food to prove it. Well, you have no proof that yours is better.
It's all a big game to score points with god, to be cashed in when arriving at the pearly gates. The motives set the tone, and thereby discount the actions. bk
It is better done at by the Federal Govt. Of course they seize the money at gunpoint and 90% of the money gets used by the machine that distributes the "charity" but there is certainly no spiritual message attached. Ahh yes April 15th is coming. I am grumpybkaapcke said:You are allowed to help people as part of your own spiritual developement. I take issue with forcing spiritual developement on them in exchange for the assistance. It takes the 'charity' out of the whole thing. bk
If you knew the true source of the christian church today, you wouldn't question whether it's a scam.garage sale GT said:We have encountered the atheism gap. If you assume Christianity isn't good for anything except earthly charity, you've more or less already assumed that it's all a scam.
Come on, isn't anyone going to field this one?bigpedaler said:If you knew the true source of the christian church today, you wouldn't question whether it's a scam.
Do your own research:
Council of Nicea
Mithra
Gilgamesh
Horus
See if there aren't some disturbing similarities.
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