Even more fake letters.

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Simon Mason, Jul 4, 2004.

  1. Simon Mason

    Simon Mason Guest

    Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    Sunday with my name and address. The gist of the letter is that the police
    should leave motorists driving at 35 mph alone and crack down on pavement
    cyclists etc. There is one sad weirdo out there with a bee in their bonnet!

    --
    Simon Mason
    Anlaby
    East Yorkshire.
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  2. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Simon Mason wrote:

    > Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    > Sunday with my name and address. The gist of the letter is that the police
    > should leave motorists driving at 35 mph alone and crack down on pavement
    > cyclists etc. There is one sad weirdo out there with a bee in their bonnet!
    >


    You might be able to get some info off the MoS - I would expect them to
    have made contact with the author in which case they would have the
    contact details. I would also consider mentioning it to the police -
    identity theft is illegal and could lead to worse over time.

    Tony
     
  3. On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 16:37:10 +0100, "Simon Mason"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    <[email protected]>:

    >Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    >Sunday with my name and address.


    Time to take action, I'd say. At the very least the MoS need to print
    a retraction, and I agree with Tony, I'd inform the police. This is
    harrassment.

    Guy
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  4. Dr Curious

    Dr Curious Guest

    "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Simon Mason wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    > > Sunday with my name and address. The gist of the letter is that the

    police
    > > should leave motorists driving at 35 mph alone and crack down on

    pavement
    > > cyclists etc. There is one sad weirdo out there with a bee in their

    bonnet!
    > >

    >
    > You might be able to get some info off the MoS - I would expect them to
    > have made contact with the author in which case they would have the
    > contact details.


    ....

    But presumably the MoS assume the author is Simon Mason posting from
    Simon Mason's address. If he gave a different name and a different
    address then presumably they wouldn't have publshed it under Simon's
    name and address in the first place.

    ...

    > I would also consider mentioning it to the police -
    > identity theft is illegal and could lead to worse over time.


    ....

    If this person is using Simon Mason's full addressm rather than
    a partial address, then not only is this illegal in a criminal sense,
    i.e impersonation, but in principle it's also actionable in Civil Law.
    However any likely damages would proably be miniscule. The point being
    that the newspaper wouldn't have printed the letter unless it accorded
    with the views of the average MoS reader i.e Juror. You'd imagine the
    newspapers probably also have a standard legal defence to cover such
    circumstances, but there's no reason why they shouldn't print an
    apology and a retraction nevertheless.

    The real problem though would finding the culprit which would appear
    to be next to impossible, given the likely available resources.


    Curious

    >
    > Tony
     
  5. Paul - xxx

    Paul - xxx Guest

    Simon Mason typed:
    > Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    > Sunday with my name and address. The gist of the letter is that the police
    > should leave motorists driving at 35 mph alone and crack down on pavement
    > cyclists etc. There is one sad weirdo out there with a bee in their
    > bonnet!


    Gotta agree with Tony and Guy .. it sounds like this 'impersonator' might
    get serious .. then where will you be .. At least, even if the police can do
    nothing immediately, your knowledge of the impersonation and your concerns
    of it, should then become a matter of record, 'just in case'.

    --
    Paul ...

    (8(|) ... Homer Rocks
     
  6. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Dr Curious wrote:
    >
    > But presumably the MoS assume the author is Simon Mason posting from
    > Simon Mason's address. If he gave a different name and a different
    > address then presumably they wouldn't have publshed it under Simon's
    > name and address in the first place.
    >


    My experience of the bigger papers is they get positive confirmation
    that it is from a real person at a real address either by phoning, if a
    phone number is given or by writing if its an address.

    Tony
     
  7. Dr Curious

    Dr Curious Guest

    "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Dr Curious wrote:
    > >
    > > But presumably the MoS assume the author is Simon Mason posting from
    > > Simon Mason's address. If he gave a different name and a different
    > > address then presumably they wouldn't have publshed it under Simon's
    > > name and address in the first place.
    > >

    >
    > My experience of the bigger papers is they get positive confirmation
    > that it is from a real person at a real address either by phoning, if a
    > phone number is given or by writing if its an address.



    You would have thought so. But then the impersonator is hardly likely
    to be living in the same street. Even allowing that the actual house
    number probably won't be an issue, as it won't be printed anyway.
    So a postal enquiry is out. But then given the availability of off the
    shelf pay-as-you-go mobiles, presumably they only check using land-line
    numbers nowadays. In which case you'd imagine the impersonator has either
    cooked his chips by giving a valid contact number*, or simply wouldn't be
    that stupid to start with.


    Curious

    * Even if they used a work number, they'd still need to take the
    call as "Simon Mason".



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    > Tony
    >
    >
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  8. Jon Senior

    Jon Senior Guest

    Dr Curious [email protected] opined the following...
    > * Even if they used a work number, they'd still need to take the
    > call as "Simon Mason".


    Or just answer "Hello".

    The usual response to this is "Is that Mr..."?

    Jon
     
  9. Dr Curious

    Dr Curious Guest

    "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Dr Curious [email protected] opined the following...
    > > * Even if they used a work number, they'd still need to take the
    > > call as "Simon Mason".

    >
    > Or just answer "Hello".


    > The usual response to this is "Is that Mr..."?



    Only if he gave a work extension. That's the point.

    In which case he'd be immediately traceable.

    Otherwise if the call was routed through the switchboard,
    the switchboard operater would need to be informed if the
    subtefuge beforehand.

    Capiche?


    Curious









    >
    > Jon
     
  10. On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 19:06:50 +0100, "Paul - xxx"
    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    <[email protected]>:

    >Gotta agree with Tony and Guy .. it sounds like this 'impersonator' might
    >get serious


    Also a good opportunity to get your real point of view printed as part
    of the retraction :)

    Guy
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  11. On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 19:08:47 +0100, Tony Raven <[email protected]>
    wrote in message <[email protected]>:

    >My experience of the bigger papers is they get positive confirmation
    >that it is from a real person at a real address either by phoning, if a
    >phone number is given or by writing if its an address.


    Not happened to me, and I have had letters published in most of the
    broadsheets by now.

    Guy
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  12. >Not happened to me, and I have had letters published in most of the
    >broadsheets by now.


    It hasn't happened to me either, and I've also had stuff in most of the
    broadsheets.

    Cheers, helen s



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  13. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
    >> Not happened to me, and I have had letters published in most of the
    >> broadsheets by now.

    >
    > It hasn't happened to me either, and I've also had stuff in most of the
    > broadsheets.
    >


    I clearly fall into the not to be trusted category ;-(

    Tony
     
  14. elyob

    elyob Guest

    "Simon Mason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thanks to James H. for pointing out the fake letter in today's Mail on
    > Sunday with my name and address. The gist of the letter is that the police
    > should leave motorists driving at 35 mph alone and crack down on pavement
    > cyclists etc. There is one sad weirdo out there with a bee in their

    bonnet!

    It's obviously P**l Sm**h and he's having a laugh reading this thread ....
     
  15. David Hansen

    David Hansen Guest

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 20:00:23 +0100 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
    you know?" <[email protected]> wrote this:-

    >Not happened to me, and I have had letters published in most of the
    >broadsheets by now.


    The Glasgow Herald always used to telephone people and I imagine
    still does.


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  16. Howard

    Howard Guest

    Hi Simon,

    I feel we have a profile of this crank building up. Daily Mail reader,
    anti-cyclist and pro zero-tolerance policing, however strongly opposed
    to the law being used to regulate driver behaviour or enforce speed
    limits. Also wants national service bringing back. Given the number of
    authoritarian 'libertarians' and downright Fascists we have in the UK
    that really narrows it down!

    I have sent another e-mail to the Hull Daily Mail pointing out the
    latest bogus letter and asking them to check any letter claiming to be
    from yourself, me or Mr Minns.

    Howard.
     
  17. Simon Mason

    Simon Mason Guest

    "Howard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hi Simon,
    >
    > I feel we have a profile of this crank building up. Daily Mail reader,
    > anti-cyclist and pro zero-tolerance policing, however strongly opposed
    > to the law being used to regulate driver behaviour or enforce speed
    > limits. Also wants national service bringing back. Given the number of
    > authoritarian 'libertarians' and downright Fascists we have in the UK
    > that really narrows it down!
    >
    > I have sent another e-mail to the Hull Daily Mail pointing out the
    > latest bogus letter and asking them to check any letter claiming to be
    > from yourself, me or Mr Minns.
    >
    > Howard.


    Thanks Howard, I sent the MoS the following.

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    "In today's (4 JUL 04) Mail on Sunday letters page you published a letter
    purporting to be from myself. The gist of this letter was that motorists be
    left alone and cyclists clamped down on. The writer of the letter is a
    phoney who has persistently had published fake letters in my home city's
    local paper the Hull Daily Mail slating cyclists and has not only hijacked
    my name but two other pro-cycling letter writers as well. Could you possibly
    give any clues as to the identity of this individual so that they can be
    exposed?"

    Haven't had a reply yet, but it is extremely unlikely that there will be a
    retraction published, as even the greatest stars only get a tiny column
    somewhere when a major story about them turns out to be false, so I've no
    chance!

    I think I know who it is now though. There was a persistent letter writer to
    the Hull Daily Mail called "P. Scott" of Tranby Lane, Anlaby (yeah right!
    not in the phone book) or sometimes it was Tranby Road or Priory Road; he
    seems to get addresses confused. He sent in letter after letter obsessively
    going on about cyclists with no lights, sometimes directly asking me what I
    thought should be done about them. "P. Scott" of course is probably not his
    real name and unfortunately the HDM archives don't seem to go back beyond
    JAN 04, otherwise I could show a whole list of letters under that name that
    fits his profile perfectly. All that's on the archive is this:

    May I comment on the letter to you from P Scott (Letters, January 14), "Are
    there laws about cycle lanes"?

    --
    Simon M.
     
  18. James Hodson

    James Hodson Guest

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2004 18:24:06 +0100, "Dr Curious"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >that the newspaper wouldn't have printed the letter unless it accorded
    >with the views of the average MoS reader i.e Juror.


    No. The Mail and the MoS have printed several letters from Simon
    during the last year or two. The majority of these have been pro
    cycling, the sort of comments he usually makes here.

    James
     
  19. davek

    davek Guest

    Dr Curious:
    > Only if he gave a work extension. That's the point.


    You're making a few assumptions that may not be valid.

    d.
     
  20. Dr Curious

    Dr Curious Guest

    "davek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Dr Curious:


    > > Only if he gave a work extension. That's the point.

    >
    > You're making a few assumptions that may not be valid.
    >
    > d.
    >
    >



    Go on then. Surprise me.


    Curious

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