Fahrenheit 9/11 : Did you see it and if you did what do you think about it ?



limerickman said:
Wiesse Luft - is this a Jewish name ?
How can asking if a name is Jewish be anti-Semetic ?
Well, being a part of a jewish family I do find it odd to ask the question. If his name was "janosik" would you ask if it was jewish, polish???
 
Bikerman2004 said:
Why would you ask much less care what he is? I think we can all be sure you would try to twist it into something. See Ya!

Very defensive there, Bikey.
The only person that twists and spins is you (Eamonn DeValera - bet the American citizenship caught ya by surprise, eh ??).

Remember as soon as you divine that number and publish here - I'll debate with ya.
But until then ?
 
zapper said:
Well, being a part of a jewish family I do find it odd to ask the question. If his name was "janosik" would you ask if it was jewish, polish???

I wouldn't be able to say to be quite honest.

Why all this defensiveness about asking if a name is Jewish, anyway ?
Are people not supposed to ask a question, if they don't know the answer.
Lighten up, there.
 
limerickman said:
Very defensive there, Bikey.
The only person that twists and spins is you (Eamonn DeValera - bet the American citizenship caught ya by surprise, eh ??).

Remember as soon as you divine that number and publish here - I'll debate with ya.
But until then ?
You don't debate. You change and twist everything. It is sad that you even believe your own garbage. It didn't surprise me that he was American-born. It did surprise that Irish idiots voted for him though. Hey ask your dad or granddad, they probably voted for him.
 
limerickman said:
Message 556 on this thread introduces DeValera.
556 was posted by your fellow countryman Bikerman.

In his/her attempt to question Ireland's contribution to the war effort, Bikerman tried to show that DeValera as President of Ireland was somehow duplicitous when it came to Nazi Germany by signing a book of condolence for one Adolf ******.

Having informed Bike from message 501 onwards that 150,000 Irishmen
VOLUNTEERED to fight, I simply asked our friend to quantify his countries
contribution between 1939-1941.
No number has been forwarded - because he/she is unable to quantify it,
as history shows.

Now if you're unahppy with someone pointing out facts to Bikerman - I suggest that you inform Bikerman to not try to land some cheap shots.

Finally, I certainly did not question the fact that the USA gave money to Europe.
What I did question is Bikermans claims and his insinuations against my country's contribution to WW2.
I have proven my claim to the volunteer question.
I await Bikerman numbers for US volunteers between 1939-1941.

*sigh* . . . Stick to limericks. They don't have to make sense - you'll be right at home.

I'll start

There once was a man from the Emerald Isle
Whose illogical posts had a tiresome style
His points didn't follow
His logic was hollow
And he was oblivious all of the while
 
Bikerman2004 said:
It didn't surprise me that he was American-born. It did surprise that Irish idiots voted for him though.

I think you're lying - I think that it caught you by surprise when you posted your snide message (see message 556 on this thread).
You wanted to convey the thought that the Irish supported Nazism.
It was a cheap shot.
You hadn't a clue that DeValera was a Yank.
Pathetic.

You don't have a great opinion of Ireland or the Irish.
Look at your quote above, and look at message 556 on this thread.
You're exposed for what you are.
 
limerickman said:
I think you're lying - I think that it caught you by surprise when you posted your snide message (see message 556 on this thread).
You wanted to convey the thought that the Irish supported Nazism.
It was a cheap shot.
You hadn't a clue that DeValera was a Yank.
Pathetic.

You don't have a great opinion of Ireland or the Irish.
Look at your quote above, and look at message 556 on this thread.
You're exposed for what you are.
Hmmm...lets do look at some past post. Shall we?
Post# 497 Lem states US sat on hands during 1939-1941.
Post# 502 Lem tells us about Irish involvement in war. Very admirable.
Post# 509 Lem states no Americans volunteered to help England.
Post# 510 Bikey(I like that name)shows proof of US volunteers to British war effort
Post# 514 Gets interesting here. This is where Lem starts trying to twist the argument. Doesn't acknowledge that some did but wants to know how many.
Post#518 Lem's tranformation is complete.

Oh by the way Lem, I do have a high opinion of Ireland. Been there several times and it is a very beautiful country. However, I just don't have a high opinion of you.
 
Bikerman2004 said:
Hmmm...lets do look at some past post. Shall we?
Post# 497 Lem states US sat on hands during 1939-1941.
Post# 502 Lem tells us about Irish involvement in war. Very admirable.
Post# 509 Lem states no Americans volunteered to help England.
Post# 510 Bikey(I like that name)shows proof of US volunteers to British war effort
Post# 514 Gets interesting here. This is where Lem starts trying to twist the argument. Doesn't acknowledge that some did but wants to know how many.
Post#518 Lem's tranformation is complete.

Oh by the way Lem, I do have a high opinion of Ireland. Been there several times and it is a very beautiful country. However, I just don't have a high opinion of you.

Skwanch kindly provided a link to prove 244 pilots joined the war effort between 1939-1941.

Therefore I was wrong, - 244 Americans did help Britain before Pearl Harbour.
Prove has been provided, by Skwanch.

Apologies all round.
 
limerickman said:
Skwanch kindly provided a link to prove 244 pilots joined the war effort between 1939-1941.

Therefore I was wrong, - 244 Americans did help Britain before Pearl Harbour.
Prove has been provided, by Skwanch.

Apologies all round.
You are one tough stubborn Irishman. Geez, don't you ever give up quickly? When we denigrated into name calling it was time to wrap this up.
I actually knew that DeValera guy was American born. I saw it on a history channel program sometime ago.
 
Bikerman2004 said:
You are one tough stubborn Irishman. Geez, don't you ever give up quickly? When we denigrated into name calling it was time to wrap this up.
I actually knew that DeValera guy was American born. I saw it on a history channel program sometime ago.

Well, you're the first American (young American, certainly) who would even be aware of DeValera, not to mention knowing his being a US citizen.

His action in signing the book of condolence is unforgivable.
I realise that Churchill was British PM during WW2 and WC's hand was apparent during the Easter 1916.
But DeValera took this enmity too far - WC and Co may well have executed the leaders of the 1916 revolution, but neither DeValera or Michael Collins would have been in the upper echelons of the IRA leadership in 1916.

When the leaders were executed by the British - DeValera and Collins inherited
the Sinn Fein party but it split over independence talks in 1921 with Lloyd George.
(This Sinn Fein name has been embraced by Gerry Adams & Co)
 
I think his tag has something to do with German heritage...thought I saw that somewhere.
 
Bull....respectfully, but bull.



Salsa Rider said:
Ok folks its time to separate the person that is the President and the Country. Moore is a Patriot. He sees someone doing wrong to his country or his countrymen and he is trying to stop it. He loves his country same as I do, same as you do. Our president though has done a terrible job. He has done us an insane amount of disservice to our standing as the leading democracy in the world through his inept foreign policy. He has sold public lands to private companies for pennies on the dollar. Millions of jobs lost over the last 3 years and the tens of thousands of jobs that he has managed to create in the last 3 months are on average paying $9k dollars less than the ones lost. He has accumulated a record deficit, what happened to fiscal responsibility? We will be paying this bill for decades. A thousand soldiers killed, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi's killed, and the perpetrator of the largest act of terrorism is still free. Saddam was an evil man, yes, but he was *not* a threat to America or Americans. The men making millions while doing disservice to this country are in the board rooms of our energy corporation, our defense contractors, our pharmaceutical companies and in our White House. I love my country, but I cant stand what has been done to it by GW and his puppet masters.



And the people that should be the maddest of all; our proud members of the military. He has chosen to risk your lives on information that most of the world would not risk their sons and daughters on.



/me takes a deep breath and gets ready for the backlash
 
Respectfully, again...bull....please you were never a republican.



flea77 said:
Yes I saw the movie, no it didnt change my political views as I WAS a republican all my life (37 years) until GW Bush became President.

There is NO excuse for the invasion of a country that is not a clear and present danger to the US, none, nada, dont even try it.

There to give the Iraqi people freedom? I dont think so. Freedom is NOT equal to democracy. Freedom is the ability to choose democracy, or socialism, or communism, or anything else you want including Sadam as your leader.

Moore a traitor? Yes, anyone who dares to speak out against the current government exercising his constitutional rights must be a traitor! sheesh

People currently in Iraq fighting US soldiers are terrorists? Sure, just like the people in 1776 fighting the British occupation forces were. If there were Chineese occupation troops in your home wouldnt you fight them with any means at your disposal?

Next time you want to throw stones you might look in the mirror first, try taking a look at WHY 9/11 happend, what actually caused it. No one wakes up in the morning and just decides to give his life and take thousands of other lives just for something to do.

Do I support our troops? Absolutely! But I do not support why they are there and what they are doing. I do not want anything to happen to any US soldier, or civilian for that matter. But that does not mean I have to agree with the government that sent them there, and I do not. If anyone should be tried for war crimes it should be Bush.
 
flea77 said:
Yes I saw the movie, no it didnt change my political views as I WAS a republican all my life (37 years) until GW Bush became President.

There is NO excuse for the invasion of a country that is not a clear and present danger to the US, none, nada, dont even try it.

There to give the Iraqi people freedom? I dont think so. Freedom is NOT equal to democracy. Freedom is the ability to choose democracy, or socialism, or communism, or anything else you want including Sadam as your leader.

Moore a traitor? Yes, anyone who dares to speak out against the current government exercising his constitutional rights must be a traitor! sheesh

People currently in Iraq fighting US soldiers are terrorists? Sure, just like the people in 1776 fighting the British occupation forces were. If there were Chineese occupation troops in your home wouldnt you fight them with any means at your disposal?

Next time you want to throw stones you might look in the mirror first, try taking a look at WHY 9/11 happend, what actually caused it. No one wakes up in the morning and just decides to give his life and take thousands of other lives just for something to do.

Do I support our troops? Absolutely! But I do not support why they are there and what they are doing. I do not want anything to happen to any US soldier, or civilian for that matter. But that does not mean I have to agree with the government that sent them there, and I do not. If anyone should be tried for war crimes it should be Bush.
Republican, Democrat, conservative, or liberal...whatever he is, he's correct.
 
Originally Posted by flea77
Yes I saw the movie, no it didnt change my political views as I WAS a republican all my life (37 years) until GW Bush became President.

There is NO excuse for the invasion of a country that is not a clear and present danger to the US, none, nada, dont even try it.

There to give the Iraqi people freedom? I dont think so. Freedom is NOT equal to democracy. Freedom is the ability to choose democracy, or socialism, or communism, or anything else you want including Sadam as your leader.

Moore a traitor? Yes, anyone who dares to speak out against the current government exercising his constitutional rights must be a traitor! sheesh

People currently in Iraq fighting US soldiers are terrorists? Sure, just like the people in 1776 fighting the British occupation forces were. If there were Chineese occupation troops in your home wouldnt you fight them with any means at your disposal?

Next time you want to throw stones you might look in the mirror first, try taking a look at WHY 9/11 happend, what actually caused it. No one wakes up in the morning and just decides to give his life and take thousands of other lives just for something to do.

Do I support our troops? Absolutely! But I do not support why they are there and what they are doing. I do not want anything to happen to any US soldier, or civilian for that matter. But that does not mean I have to agree with the government that sent them there, and I do not. If anyone should be tried for war crimes it should be Bush.
Danian said:
Republican, Democrat, conservative, or liberal...whatever he is, he's correct.
Yeah, he(Bush) should at least be censured for his actions. We all know he wanted to invade iraq from the moment he took office. 9/11 simply gave him carte blanche to do so. If you don't believe that, then you are naive.
 
davidmc said:
Yeah, he(Bush) should at least be censured for his actions. We all know he wanted to invade iraq from the moment he took office. 9/11 simply gave him carte blanche to do so. If you don't believe that, then you are naive.
He won't be censured, that's for sure. And I agree on your assertions regarding Iraq. Updates to the invasion plans were being updated in 2000. Perhaps it was typical military efficiency...planning for the worst-case scenario. Perhaps not. It will be interesting to see, assuming GWB is re-elected, if other plans will be coming into effect. If so, expect major military operations in Africa within the next four years. Unless situations in Iran or North Korea pre-empt Africa. But for now, I believe we are content to use covert operations to bring about an implosion for Iran. North Korea is the least of our concerns.
 
davidmc said:
Originally Posted by flea77
Next time you want to throw stones you might look in the mirror first, try taking a look at WHY 9/11 happend, what actually caused it. No one wakes up in the morning and just decides to give his life and take thousands of other lives just for something to do.
Hey pal, terrorist hold innocent Russian children hostage as you are reading this. Terrorist hold French reporters over freakin dress code. I hope that france and Russia has learned that you don't earn any special favors siding with terrorist cause they don't care. Our time is better spent wiping them off the face of the earth than trying to appease them...Clinton tried it for 8 years and guess what, it didn't work! WAKE UP DR. DC!
 
davidmc said:
Originally Posted by flea77
Moore a traitor? Yes, anyone who dares to speak out against the current government exercising his constitutional rights must be a traitor! sheesh
Just for the record...I don't have a problem with speaking out as long as it is done in an intelligent and civilized manner. This is sad....

"Demonstrators also gathered in Herald Square, about eight blocks south, mingling with pedestrians during the evening commute. Reaching the square, only a block from the convention, seemed to satisfy many demonstrators, and they lingered there near police barricades into the night.

One block away, a bus carrying convention delegates from Louisiana was blocked by protesters until police came in. About 150 people were arrested in the incident and its aftermath, police said.

One of those arrested late Tuesday at a demonstration in Union Square Park was a 19-year-old East Harlem man who was seen on a videotape assaulting a detective a day earlier, police said. Police said they were charging the man, Jamal Holiday, with second-degree assault on a police officer."

Hey DC...is the one in the middle you? Your parties behavior is deplorable. These hooligans should actually be allowed to vote? They quite their jobs to attend, must not need the money.

Anyway, funny we haven't heard much from the lib posters lately...Could it be that they are sporting twisty cuffs or a pig nose? Or, they could be scratching their little heads wondering why Kerry's numbers are dropping.

After seeing this display there is little wonder why the Dems have a rep for being intellectually challenged....
 
Zapper said:
Just for the record...I don't have a problem with speaking out as long as it is done in an intelligent and civilized manner.

...

"Hey DC...is the one in the middle you?"

...

"funny we haven't heard much from the lib posters lately"

...

"sporting twisty cuffs or a pig nose"

...

"scratching their little heads"

...

"Hey pal", "Wrongo again colonel Sanders", "Wrongo again", "hahahahaha Boy, aren't we lucky!", "You have provided no information just your warped opinion. Hey, there's a villiage callin your name....", "Oh, I grasp the concept sister", "You claim to be a dude yet you whine like a little sissy.", "Ok...here I am getting out the crayons again", "Hey quizmo", "You should get your own show", "I deleted your freakin quote...cause I can", "making stupid remarks", "So far all I've observed from you is a bunch of whining", "you might want to remove that 'hello kitty' bell from your handlebars", "somehow keep you from cross dressing", "Ok, I'll space this out so you can understand.", "SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE", "YOU ain't protecting anything except securing the term 'LUNATIC' for your very own", "WHATEVER....", "Beastttttt you $%#&& quit with the $%^&** quotes you freakin #$%$#!", "You use the constitution as a smoke screen pal.", "You seem to be the "inspector gadget" around here", "I suggest you join a commune and plant some flowers or a tree!", "Hey genius...", "Are you sure that you are a dude?", "YOU ARE SO PARANOID", "I can see your files....", "I ain't sold on you yet pal...", "Look...I don't make **** up. Second, you need to stop drinking the java for you need to calm down there jr...", "you ought to be familiar with that one panama red....."


Hmmm.... :confused:
 
Beastt said:
Confused? Doesn't surprise me. You actually think that the term lib is a dirty word? You can call me conservative all you want, doesn't hurt my feelings.

Fact. Many Liberal demonstrators are either sporting pig noses or twisty cuffs...i.e. 1,500 arrested thus far.

Fact. Lib posters have been might quiet lately...Yes, that includes you. I know you are of no particular party bla bla bla...

Fact. The little piggy in the middle could be DC or it could be YOU who knows..just asking a question cause we haven't heard from the LIB pack lately.

Fact. The party that you are supporting act like idots. They are putting peoples lives in danger and are attacking the officers of the law. You may find my posts to be offensive or lowbrow. That is your opinion and I have no problem with that. But you can't compare my post to those WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW I have broken no laws here. Your post makes it increasingly obvious that you are indeed Liberal/DEM. I say again, take pride in your party and do something to clean it up for it is falling apart!
 

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