[FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20040224

[Happy Oyster]

FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
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Updated, February, 24th., 2004

Hello,

in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC, Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. The "Jew boy" case
13. Jan Drew, the stalker
14. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
15. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
16. The foul language of Jan Drew
17. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
18. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew

A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
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<quote> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Re: Jan hates no one Message-ID:
<[email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:46:59 GMT

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:02:01 GMT, Andrew Langer<[email protected]> wrote:

>Moreover, killfiling Jan would simply allow her to go and propagate her nonsense on MHA
>unchallenged.

Indeed. And this is precisely what Jan and her supporters want. They want to be able to express
their ignorant, bigoted, antisemitic, anti-conventional medicine comments without dissenting
opinions. And to some degree Jan Drew has been successful. She has managed to be so obnoxious that a
number of skeptics have chosen to put her in their kill file and not respond to any of her posts.
Not only that, but some of these people who put Jan in their kill file criticize others who respond
to her nonsense. Jan's power and control cannot be overstated. She manipulates this group to serve
her selfish needs.

Jan is an evil and dangerous person. She is a bigot, an antisemite and a racist. She cares about no
one but herself. She lied about having mercury poisoning in order to induce others to have their
amalgams out if they had unanswered health problems. She repeatedly lies and bears false witness
against others whenever she cannot logically rebut their assertions.

Jan Drew *must* be confronted about her behavior. While it is true that it is an exercise in
futility to try to discuss anything with her, it is *not* an exercise in futility in exposing her
for what she
Aa. If she succeeded in getting everyone who disagreed with her POV to kill file her then she would
be the winner and potentially there would be many victims who may believe her lies.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: Cue Jan Drew to start a new thread to attack me. Just watch.
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The best defense to logic is ignorance </quote>

1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
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[naturopath mafia-based] http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue22/i22-
a12.shtml http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm

http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/cdisease/cardiovascular/vitce.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/chelation%20bill.htm

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/sept11HS_508939AlternativeCancerTreatments020910.-
html http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/63.htm
http://www.mercola.com http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net

[Scientology-based articles]

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/04/16/loc_drugging_our_kids.html
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm

(List will be updated)

2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
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Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are nothing but other masks
of Mercola :

"Dave" <[email protected]> "Rod" <[email protected]> "Teacher" <[email protected]>
"David" <[email protected]> "ChuckMSRD" [email protected] "Anth" <[email protected]> "soft-eng"
<[email protected]>

This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !

Keep in mind these very true words :

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative :

<quote> [...] There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if someone supports
her then you can be sure that this person cannot be trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's
bigoted, hateful and dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own integrity.

And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the posts of the people she claims
that she has kill filed. The only reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible
deniability in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are frequently brought up
to her. </quote>

3. Cui bono ?
##############

A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections to those who cash in
the money.

Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But Jan Drew does more
than that !

A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively demonstrates the background :

<quote> Lines: 40 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re:
The Greatest Lie Ever Told Message-ID: <[email protected]> Xref:
news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197

>Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told From: "Anth" [email protected] Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific
>Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>She does? Anth

>
>"Happy Oyster" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up true facts with naturopath
>> nonsense and this way forces people to buy quackery.
>>
>> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours!

Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.

I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I have never forced
people to do anything.

Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements

When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Ab. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine
at the University of Calgary

Ac. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press
release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier
this year for further information on mercury detoxification.

Jan

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the
people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein </quote>

Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text :

<quote> When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.

Ad. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of Medicine, Faculty of Medicine
at the University of Calgary

Ae. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press
release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier
this year for ************************************************************* +++ further
information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan </quote>

So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.

Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?

A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the word "Klinghardt",
dated "earlier this year".

We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" : (Underlign marks made by me.)

<quote> X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT References: <[email protected]>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity Message-ID: <20030208192957.25214.00000251@mb-
cf.aol.com>

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

Mercury

Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents

The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote it nearly three years ago and
it was initially rejected by the Lancet and the British Medical Journal but was published last month
in the Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001). The end of the article has
the bibliography which took quite awhile to compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation
I could find on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and exactly what one
should do, please review my mercury detoxification protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as
one of the most
**************
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>

Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by Mercola TOGETHER with
Klinghardt.

This article is "on mercury detoxification".

So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.

Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of advertizing for his
charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...

4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
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In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words and posted them in
the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words
:

<quote> Path: news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-
online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-
t.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-
m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 28 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Jan
Drew is a forger Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>From: Happy Oyster [email protected] Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-
>id: <[email protected]>

Happy is not playing with a full deck.

As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm

<snip>

Af. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Ag. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to the ADA press
release are most informative. You can review the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier
this year for further information on mercury detoxification. Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens
for Health for sending this very interesting timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.

Took 16 seconds to find it.

I have posted it previously.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain </quote>

So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to have have posted them
as his, Jan Drew's very own words.

Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.

5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
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A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to web-pages). Jan Drew
selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear and hatred against scientific medicine.

Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".

In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really contains :

<quote> From: "Dr. Steve" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <[email protected]> <20031105192957.03647.00000284@mb-
m05.aol.com> Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question Message-ID:
<r9hqb.7825$P%[email protected]> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT

. "Ja," <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >If jdrmmm,,,,[email protected] (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the
source.
>
> I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider
the
> source and see the source of each website.
>
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in Nepal.

> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on people's fear of Hg poisoning.

> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental links on the home page
lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th evils of Hg in dentistry.

> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr. Price's research from 1918 and
ignore all the research since then.

> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes you will buy one his
books too.

> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

A web site that just sells a book.

> http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?) disguised as some unfortunate
souls suffering personal story.

> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again disquised as a story.

> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.

> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

Another link to the Nepal dental office.

> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

Dr, Meining again.

> http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long

> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental thinking.

> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

Guess what? A site to sell books.

> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

This guy is selling a special diet.

> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A BOOK!!!!

Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts

PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting program refered to as ja. dre.
and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you
to spoil your health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health in
any way. </quote>

6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
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This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology. Jan Drew CLAIMS to
be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is
typical for this breed...

Example 1: <quote> X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re:
"Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT Message-ID: <20030920204047.18243.00001203@mb-
m06.aol.com>

>Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT From: Nomen Nescio [email protected] Date:
>9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>$cientology member

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Example 2: <quote> X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Scientology's
advertising in these newsgroups Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups From: [email protected] (Fredric L.
>Rice) Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email protected]>
>
>You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist

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Example 3: <quote> X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What is
$cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports of recent Scientology postings Message-
ID: <[email protected]>

> What is $cientology?

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Example 4: <quote> From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 06 Oct
2003 05:29:16 GMT References: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Committee On
House Reform - ADHD Drugs Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs From: Peter Bowditch [email protected]
>Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email protected]>
>
>[email protected] (Jan) wrote:
>
>>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS
>>COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>INTERNATIONAL
>
>A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now that's something you don't
>see every day.

Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.

Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.

You are an intolerant fascist bigot. </quote>

So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !: (Underligns with "*" by me.)

<quote> Lines: 59 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re:
Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award Message-ID: <20040106223320.22060.00001329@mb-
m19.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award From: Peter Bowditch
>[email protected] Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id:
><[email protected]>
>
>[email protected] (Ria) wrote:
>
>>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this is what she is replying
>>> to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are something which Jan feels require no comment.
>>
>>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's
>point.
>
>Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my religious beliefs and suggests
>that I am directly instructed by Satan.

Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John delights in
seeing kids die.

>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of Hubbard do not. I promised to
>mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of
>psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
*********************************************************************

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
*********************************************************************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
*********************************************************************

>If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine

It does indeed.

> then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical
opinions.

Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some reason Scientology
keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an excuse to accept organized medicine
brainwashing.

> Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases,
>>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by pointing out the lies of people
>>> who oppose vaccination.
>>

That would be a opinion.

>>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic.

<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>

Repeatedly.

Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting others down.

Jan </quote>

The crucial part :

<quote>
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of Hubbard do not. I promised to
>mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of
>psychiatric drugs.

Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.

I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I have no knowledge of what they
believe and really don't care. </quote>

So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend against all proof.

Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?

Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.

7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
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In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a known criminal
charlatan.

The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.

<quote> Lines: 47 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT References: <Go-dnVn9E-
[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Zapper kills
infectious bacteria Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-
Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria From: "f®Èé RådicaL" [email protected] Date: 11/15/2003
>10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and it does seem to work on
>infectious bacteria, based on my experience.
>
>I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from Radio Shack parts
>using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then
>stopped using it. A few years later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to
>the point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the zapper. I ran it for
>about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my hands. About an hour later, green pus started
>coming out of my left tear duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in
>great numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This alarmed me (I
>didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to the doctor for antibiotics, to be on
>the safe side.
>
>I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming on, or when a lot of
>people are getting sick at the office. Typically the fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after
>using it. It still takes some time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper
>keeps the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for antibiotics. For
>me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the zapper seems to break very quickly.
>
>Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have anything of interest to
>report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics build or buy one and try it on themselves
>before dismissing it outright. BTW I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-
>related products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your hands. It works for
most any condition you feel coming on. It works for parasites just as she says, it also works on my
doggy. I also have no financial interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my
daycare years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the teeth. She is a
loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain </quote>

And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.

As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.
The FTC states in

http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm

<quote> DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT

8. Section 5(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or practices in or
affecting commerce. Section 12(a) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 52(a), prohibits the dissemination
of any false advertisement in or affecting commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is
likely to induce, the purchase of food, drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below,
defendants have engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper Deluxe, Syncrometer,
the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers, and the Complete Herbal Parasite
Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite Cleanse).

9. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not limited to, the
representations set forth in Paragraph 12, above, and through the use of their Internet
websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com" defendants have represented expressly or by
implication that:

a.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria, viruses and parasites in the
human body;  
b.  Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic infections, cancer and Acquired
Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);  
c.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, are effective to cure all
forms of cancer in humans;  
d.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is effective to cure all forms of cancer
in humans;  
e.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured numerous people with advanced
cases of cancer;  
f.  The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing methods at diagnosing all forms of
disease;  
g.  The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at specific points in the
human body.  
h.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, is effective
to cure AIDS;  
i.  The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal Parasite Program and avoidance
of pollutants, is effective to cure diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis,
asthma and many other diseases.  
j.  Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by
persons with cancer, make surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.

15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that substantiated the
representations set forth in Paragraph 14, above, at the time the representations were made.
Therefore, the making of the representations set forth in Paragraph 14, above, is deceptive and
constitutes false advertising for a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C.
§§ 45(a), 52 and 55.

CONSUMER INJURY

16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout the United States
have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and possible injuries to their health.
Defendants also have been unjustly enriched as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent
injunctive relief by this Court, the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap
unjust enrichment and harm the public interest.

THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF

17. Section 13(b) of the FTC Act, 15 U.S.C. § 53(b), authorizes this Court to grant injunctive and
other equitable relief, including consumer redress, disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and
remedy any violations of any provision of law enforced by the Commission. </quote>

The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.

Here a detail, found in http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html :

<quote> The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and thoroughly
debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:

Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor of Preventive Medicine and
Biometrics at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland,
stated that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable evidence" to support her
claims [19]. --> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/primack.html

Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor Emeritis at the Ohio State
University, stated (a) although cancer and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames
for them is limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent an egregious
example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and her theories are based on bad science"; and
(c) "She clearly does not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental parasitological
principles." [20] -->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html

Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that, "No research is presented
demonstrating that the Zapper has any physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites
or cure cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can eliminate intestinal
parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21] -->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pizzorno.html </quote>

As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was sentenced because of
the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in his posting claims to work.

So, for all clear to see :

Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
******************************************************************
lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
*********************************************

Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes for Hulda Clark
products :

<quote> Lines: 19 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT References:
<[email protected]> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re:
Teeth - how do I make them whiter? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Xref:
news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:332168

>Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter? From: "Anth" [email protected] Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM
>Central Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth? I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and
>it will thin the enamel down. There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are
>expensive and cumbersome. Thanks Anth

I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark) works great.

http://www.DrClarkStore.com

Jan </quote>

18. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################

In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the "$KaChing"...

<quote> From: "Rich Shewmaker" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject:
$KaChing is Working!! Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000 Message-ID:
<[email protected]>

Quackwatch Ratbags

July $100* $70 August 38 20 September 28 10

*donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132

For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I proposed donating $1
to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR. Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at
everyone who disagrees with her was becoming annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated
newsgroup where freedom of speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so punishment seemed the
most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website
repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike
positive reinforcement that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be
consistently meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I added a $5
sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic death of a child to accuse Peter
B. of something or other, though I've never understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him
with that case and assigned the guilt.

Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even got through the
September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch donation. If $KaChing continues to be
effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine" for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.

See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are participating. </quote>

19. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################

Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull. Unless... the truth
shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew, oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses
foul language, and says that some of his critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by
which Jan Drew shows his real face...:

<quote> Pathofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-
m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 40 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT Organization: AOL
http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling Message-ID: <20031110010305.12560.00000450@mb-
m06.aol.com> Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036

Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the debunkers lie.

Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a human being.

Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct others, has a fetish for
steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's ass.

Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.

David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.

DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.

Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.

Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to make retractions,
another lackey for Barrett.

Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.

Mark Probert, all of the above.

WB and Dickinson both trolls.

Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's head off.

Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.

A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.

Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths mistakes and FRAUD within
organized medicine.

That's a FACT, Jack. </quote>

Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would you ever give a
child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?

20. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################

Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest fighters against
dental amalgam.

Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is the way Jan Drew is
disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in large scale.

Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.

Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like Jan Drew :

<quote> Betroffene berichten "Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit Ärzten - 7
6.1.2002 * (A20106) Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgläubigkeit mit dem Leben. Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank
ist der arme Mann, der mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu veröffentlichen. Falls jemand
etwas weiß, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH! Ill people too often believe in what
others say. Many pay for this with their life. Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent
me this email and allowed me to publish his request for help.

Aribert Deckers

**************************************************************************
DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.

Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 Hi! I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you
know his present e-mail address please forward that message quoted below to him. I would also be
grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you! (Name)

------- Forwarded message follows ------- Hi! I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I
am sorry for such a long silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is
just incredible.

I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the 1st of June 2000 - for
four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am still alive as you see.

I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was involved in it? I found
on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm an information that DMSA can cause
thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical
pills of DMSA were rather too expensive for me.

I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?

I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film plastic containers.

I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to charge me for every
container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5
samples) for analysis to reduce my expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.

I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our organisms, so I am
not sure which samples to choose for analysis. Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file
with a table indicating when and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the
last page in that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.

Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when taking DMSA*? I
would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.

I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though I have been already
not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms.
This year also my grandmother had a stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding
stroke or not, because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and she
became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong headaches. We both being
ill have to take care alone about my paralysed grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we
also cannot sleep at night because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often
without much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are not helpful
at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not bother them again. And what are
the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is a subject for yet another long horror story.

We just live in hell on Earth.

We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy without any help
from outside.

I'll better finish here.

Hope to hear from you soon. Best wishes

[Name) ------ End of forwarded message ------- * hier geht's weiter ! [ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright © 2000 - 2002 Aribert Deckers and Copyright © 2000 - 2002 Antares Real-Estate Jegliche
Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten. Verlage dürfen sich wegen der
Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden. Aribert Deckers </quote>

People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like this ill man.

Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.

7. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################

In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism :

<quote> From: Rich<,@.> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was
Re: A message to a sick son of a *****.!) Message-ID: <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]> <20031111225707.14053.00000043@mb-
m15.aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT

On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, [email protected] (Jan) wrote:

>Sadly, his enablers will be right along.
>
>It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in:

Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The following is an antisemitic
rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you
want to read the lowest of lows:

Debbee1023 says:
>>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid to talk against the
>>anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which ethnic group of people owns those dental
>>supply businesses? I understand there is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into
>>the medical field, and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers,
>>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed.
>>The problem being, I am beginning to think all of thismuch to do about nothing in the field of
>>alternative medicine is all true about this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European
>>leader was right long
>time ago.
>
>>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's life. Not all of the
>>people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning to understand why the attacks on the U.S.
>>were planned on the cities that were chosen. It's not just alternative medicine that has been
>>attempted to be hijacked...it all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so
>>possessed, that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead of "getting
>>over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep abusing others that are not of
>>that culture, in an attempt to "even the score."
>

Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:

>Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.
>
>Jan

So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with ******'s plan to exterminate millions of Jews simply
because of their religion. And Jan Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.

What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone who said that ****** was right
about the Jews. Jan may find out on judgment day.

Aloha,

Rich
>

------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------

The best defense to logic is ignorance. </quote>

Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :

<quote> Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: Mark Thorson <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
sci.med.dentistry Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews in misc.health.alternative in postings she's
made in the past year. I put line breaks between comments made in different postings, and in some
cases removed line breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting. In some cases I inserted
or removed line breaks to avoid line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove parts of any
sentences (as Jan often does, to change their meaning). These are all complete, original statements
made by Jan.

------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------

Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10
commandments here on the ng.

That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for
each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to
have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and
are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That was
the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes.

Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now
debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all
filled with hate.

It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any
way involved. </quote>

And some more :

<quote> Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: Mark Thorson <[email protected]> Newsgroups:
sci.med.dentistry Subject: Jan's other hatreds Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT

Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's
made in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line breaks between comments made in
different postings, and in some cases removed line breaks when lines appeared together in the same
posting. In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line wrapping. I did not, however,
change or remove parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change their meaning). These are all
complete, original statements made by Jan.

------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------

Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.

He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude (rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.

------- Jan speaking about atheists -------

Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.

The reason you are an atheist is because Satan has convinced you.

Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.

That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for
each other.

The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to
have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.

The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and
are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.

I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.

---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----

Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew. Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*.

In your queer mind. In fact NOTHING you said was true.

Killfile them both is the only answer. They are both quite *queer*.

They are here because they are both frustrated. Both are rather queer.

Notice how none of the debunkers have anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's *queer* statements?

Me thinks you are acting very queer.

That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar, despicable hate filled *queer* person.

Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's lies or his professional manner. They are both
rather queer.

How sad. And STUPID. And QUEER.

Making up queer stories Eric???????

And woo woo. And Queer. </quote>

Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :

<quote> Lines: 95 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject:
Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews From: [email protected] (toby jones) Date: 2/20/2004
>5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>[email protected] (Michele) wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> [email protected] (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews From: [email protected] (toby jones) Date:
>> > >2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and
>> > >now debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works."
>> > >
>> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in
>> > >any way involved."
>> > >
>> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan."
>> >
>> > Those are not words of hate.
>>
>> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the statements she made above
>> are okay.

It is always OK to post the truth.

>Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.

True

>They debunked all his words and works,

True

>>and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them.

We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.

>That is how Satan works."

True

>It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust.

They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.

When noone here was in any way >involved."

True

>"IMHO they are led by Satan."

He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.

> Those are not words of hate.

That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.

>When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are second nature to them", the effect
>is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group.

They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They lie and the rest
swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when asked, because they make things up.

>Even without insisting that it is "factual".

I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.

>And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that "lying" trait, in something
>that happened 2000 years ago.

Not the issue..

>And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'.

Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.

All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own words.

Since you are new here,, you have no clue.

Jan </quote>

Jan Drew says : <quote> We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to
them. </quote>

And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic psyche into the
internet...

One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :

<quote> Lines: 145 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject:
Re: Pathetic Message-ID: <[email protected]>

>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews From: Orac [email protected] Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard
>Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>In article <[email protected]>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism in the pro-alts who
>> >post here, or are they simply so completely suffused with an "us against them" mentality that
>> >they cannot bring themselves to speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that
>> >altie's statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.

PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been called everything. The
current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*

Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who has used alternative
medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts, hoping poeple could not see it. However, they
are in others' posts which he can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill
and even dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive statements.

Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.

Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.

>>
>> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your alternative explanation
>> but I wonder. And with each passing day without explanation it becomes more worrisome.
>> Antisemitism is on the rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
>> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out against antisemitism and ALL
>> bigotry so that we do not again have a return of the genocides of the past.

Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news group, it is a
dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your life!!!!!!!!!!!

Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!

The truth is:

Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics except me. It is eating
him up that he has failed and can not run me off.

>I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation
is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened comrades to task when they start
making bigoted and anti-Semitic
>comments.

You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to task for all his
despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H
Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all people who have used alternative medicine with success,
EVEN to the point of using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!

WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????

Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people until I see definitive evidence that I
should not.

WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing people.

However, I agree that it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in the
face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the alties here voice and in the
face of some rather rabid defenses of one of them.

This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT stand the truth.

You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver and over. He even lies
about his name.

False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back is, *it was my
impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of how statements were read.

To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.

To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT
IS THE TRUTH.

To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN PROVEN
WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.

Example:

Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
>> Holocaust
>
>No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.

>You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic
disgusting bigot.

*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*

Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.

Further more what I said was:

I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.

Then she blames Jews
> of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of years ago.
>
>That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of
his
>claim.

******** you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):

>es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now
>debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.

NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
>
>Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.

True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.

>It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all
>filled with hate.

True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.

This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and losing his temper, because
the man is sick and has a control problem.

Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.

It iis very transparent and pathetic.

Jan </quote>

These are Jan Drew's exact words :

<quote> To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH AND HAS BEEN
PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS. </quote>

Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...

<quote> From: "Nana Weedkiller" <[email protected]> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.support.breast-
implant Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal... Message-ID:
<[email protected]> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT

"Jan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >From: "Mark Probert-February 23, 2004"
>
> >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
>
> OT.
>
> >
> >"Andrew Langer"
>
> >People like Jan Drew
>
> > if they weren't
>
> > they weren't courageous
>
> >who would have
>
> >Jan Drew would not
>
> ZZzz

So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver did you donate to the floundation
to buy her defense of your anti-semitism and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her
memory betrays her.

"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."

"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away. Start with Matt: 27 "

"Their are Jews here and there are atheists, (they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters."

"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10
commandments here on the ng."

"That's because most every atheist and jew here has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover for
each other."

"The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need to
have an argument going, thinking they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan."

"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but belittle, and
are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."

"I repeat: The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."

"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word. That
was the start of debunking. Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried to debunk his words, and
even debunked his miracles whch happened right before their eyes."

"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him. They debunked all his words and works, and now
debunking and lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works."

"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."

"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng, with their vile false accusations and they are all
filled with hate."

"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust. When noone here was in any
way involved." </quote>

8. The "Jew boy" case
#######################

Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks, calling someone "jew boy", I found
2 postings missing in my "Agent" archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days. I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being
cancelled, but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.

So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found with Google :

<quote> Lines: 30 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT References: <20020502140729.27680.00006101@mb-
fs.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes Message-ID: <20020502155932.08640.00006955@mb-
cp.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes From: [email protected] (Ilsa Nein) Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific
>Daylight Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>
>>
>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>
><Snip>
>
>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should see an alternative
>medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider consulting their yellow pages for an
>Acupuncturist near them.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupuncture Inc.

I.L.S.A.

1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A

Wilmington, NC

910-799-5777

Jan </quote>

<quote> Lines: 54 X-Admin: [email protected] From: [email protected] (Jan) Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT References: <20020503231752.05277.00006469@mb-
co.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes Message-ID: <20020504003536.28298.00007240@mb-
fe.aol.com>

>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes From: [email protected] (Ilsa Nein) Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific
>Daylight Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes From: [email protected] (Ilsa Nein) Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific
>>>Daylight Time Message-id: <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>>>
>>><Snip>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should see an alternative
>>>medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider consulting their yellow pages for an
>>>Acupuncturist near them.
>>
>>Please stay clear of
>>
>>Southern Acupuncture Inc.
>>
>> I.L.S.A.
>>
>>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
>>
>>Wilmington, NC
>>
>>910-799-5777
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments.

Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.

Please stay clear of

Southern Acupu