Mirek Fidler wrote:
> TC wrote:
> > Mirek Fidler wrote:
> >
> >>>1) fats make you fat..... except that low fat diets fail in most if not
> >>>all cases, at least 95% fail.
> >>
> >>As do low-carb dieters (I am still struggling to be in the those 5% of
> >>them
> >
> >
> > Studies have not shown that to be the case. They've been spun to give
> > that impression but none have shown it to be the case.
>
> Let me translate: They have found it, but you know it is conspiracy?
No. Let me be clear. There is no study that says that low carb fails
like low fat. But there are plenty of mainstream medical people who
have said that low carb fails like low fat.
If I am wrong, feel free to reference any study that is good science
and wasn't blatantly funded by industry that supports your contention
that low carb has a similar failure rate as low fat.
>
> From my personal exprience, just watching forums and people around, I
> have seen as many low-carbers fail as any other dieters.
Many do. Then again, many join every "fad" because it gets media
attention, then they go on the the next fad. But many more people who
make low carb a way of eating succeed spectacularly in their weight
management, long term and with great improvemenst in their health.
>
> >>>well-fed animals is healthy food and the consumption of these healthy
> >>>fats are necessary for good health and necessary for maintaining a thin
> >>>healthy body and weight management?
> >>
> >>Well, have you some study to support that "necessary for good health" claim?
> >
> >
> > Not necessary.
>
> Quote from your post: "consumption of these healthy fats are necessary
> for good health". So are they necessary or not?
Absolutely. Several nutrients, including fatty acids, from animal
sources are essential in the scientific sense of the word. Thus they
are necessary for good health and their absence from ones diet will
lead to a nutrient deficiency.
You should know that by now.
And one could also conclude that if some animal source fatty acids are
essential for health, then many other animal source fatty acids must be
necessary to round out a healthy diet. They may not be essential, but
there is nothing in the literature that shows that they are not healthy
fats and useful and , to at least some degree, necessary for optimum
health.
>
> > It was proposed that animal fats were the cause of heart
> > disease and obesity as early as the 1950's by Ancel Keys et al. And
> > they have failed to show any science to support their contentions. And
> > the study referenced above is the last nail in their "evil animal fats"
> > myth. They said it was bad for health and they could not prove it. The
> > onus is on them to show that a given food item, that has been in the
> > human diet for millions of years, is unhealthy.
> >
> > Good fats from healthy animals has been the corberstone of human diet
> > for millions of years. Grains, on the other hand, has only been in our
> > diets for about 12,000 years, and in morthern european diets for about
> > 2000 years and only in large amounts of highly refined flour for about
> > 100 years and large amounts of high fructose corn syrup in the last 30
> > years.
>
> You do not have to cite Weston Price website content all over again.
Nope, just some simple well known historical facts. Are you disputing
the accuracy of these historical facts?
>
> > Heart disease and diabetes and other such chronic diseases have
> > exploded in number of incidences in the last 30 years. What has
> > changed? Less "bad" animal fats, more "good" vegetable fats and way
> > more refined carbs.
>
> I have no problem with this, I just want you to make more precise
> claims. People may even start listening to you then...
>
> Mirek
Here are is a couple of precise statements.
Real food, as we've evolved on for millions of years, is healthy food.
Meat and animal fat is part of what is real food.
New, refined and highly processed food is very unhealthy. Margarine,
sugar, white flour, hfcs are all fake food. They will kill us yet.
TC