Fat People and Bike Racing

[Steve Gaylor]

http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_ study+.shtml

Framingham data cited in obesity study

A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat during
middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health as smoking.

[snip]

A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds

[article end]

http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI of
30 or greater

[article end]

A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.

Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
little dieting would be in order. Especially since most of them consider themselves to be
"athletes".

Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other cultures? There are more fat
people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.

Steven G.

 

[Steve]

HEY!! I resemble that remark!!

Steve
28.4 BMI (much more "muscle" than the average cyclist)
Ps. Remember.....muscle is 3x more than fat

My regular nicknames through the years:

thunder thighs frog legs

On 1/10/03 5:02 PM, in article X2KT9.7973[email protected], "Steve Gaylor"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_ study+.shtml
>
> Framingham data cited in obesity study
>
> A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat during
> middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health as
> smoking.
>
> [snip]
>
> A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
> overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>
> BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
> of 30 or greater
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
>
> A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.
>
> Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
> little dieting would be in order. Especially since most of them consider themselves to be
> "athletes".
>
> Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other cultures? There are more fat
> people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.
>
>
>
> Steven G.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_
> study+.shtml
>
> Framingham data cited in obesity study
>
> A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat during
> middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health as
> smoking.
>
> [snip]
>
> A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
> overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>
> BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
> of 30 or greater
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
>
> A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.
>
> Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
> little dieting would be in order. Especially
since
> most of them consider themselves to be "athletes".
>
> Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other
cultures?
> There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.

First, a man (or woman - BMI standards are gender-independent) who is 5'11" would have to weigh more
than 179 lbs (not 175 lbs as you state) to be considered to be overweight. Second, keep in mind that
calculation of BMI only gives an estimate or predictor of body composition, i.e., it doesn't
distinguish between people who are overfat or those who are merely overweight (due, e.g., to high
lean body mass).

Andy Coggan

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.

I'll testify to that. Americans stand out like a rat in a cage full of mice in Paris.

 

[Daniel Mendoza]

In an article I read a couple years ago, BMI was dissed and ran ragged to the ground. Reason? The
arguably fittest boxer, Evander Holyfield, was deemed overweight using BMI. His aerobic and
anaerobic capacities were incredible (resting heart rate of roughly 40 if I remember correctly) and
nobody can doubt his strength. However, the silly little number said he was overweight and thus at
risk for heart diease, etc. A better indicator is %body fat IMHO.

Daniel

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Andy Coggan wrote:

>
> "Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_
> > study+.shtml
> >
> > Framingham data cited in obesity study
> >
> > A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat
> > during middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health
> > as smoking.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
> > overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds
> >
> > [article end]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
> >
> > BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
> > of 30 or greater
> >
> > [article end]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.
> >
> > Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
> > little dieting would be in order. Especially
> since
> > most of them consider themselves to be "athletes".
> >
> > Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other
> cultures?
> > There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.
>
> First, a man (or woman - BMI standards are gender-independent) who is 5'11" would have to weigh
> more than 179 lbs (not 175 lbs as you state) to be considered to be overweight. Second, keep in
> mind that calculation of BMI only gives an estimate or predictor of body composition, i.e., it
> doesn't distinguish between people who are overfat or those who are merely overweight (due, e.g.,
> to high lean body mass).
>
> Andy Coggan
>

 

[Risto Varanka]

Steve Gaylor <[email protected]> wrote:
: Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other cultures? There are more fat
: people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.

Might be high amount of fats and sugar in the diet, not just the volume of food. Time to start
eating soy beans, rice, fish and other veggies.

--
Risto "2kg heavier this season but it's all muscle mass" Varanka http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/
varis at no spam please iki fi

 

[Ken Papai]

"Steve Gaylor" <stevegaylor.>
>
> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>
> BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
> of 30 or greater
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
>
> A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.

WAY WAY too general. Bone desnity isn't part of the BMI equation. A 5'11", 175# male in most regards
is DEFINTELY NOT overweight Steve-o.

>
> Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
> little dieting would be in order. Especially
since
> most of them consider themselves to be "athletes".
>
> Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other
cultures?
> There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.
>
>
>
> Steven G.

 

[Kevin Knorpp]

Dude! Where have you been!!! I've been looking for you!! Guess what? Tara and I live in
Lexington, KY now!!!!!! How are things going? Are you still in Atlanta? I tried looking you up,
but no luck.....

Also, had to post this here b/c your e-mail address doesn't work...

My e-mail address is [email protected]...

"Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_
> study+.shtml
>
> Framingham data cited in obesity study
>
> A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat during
> middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health as
> smoking.
>
> [snip]
>
> A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
> overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>
> BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
> of 30 or greater
>
> [article end]
>
>
>
>
>
> A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.
>
> Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
> little dieting would be in order. Especially
since
> most of them consider themselves to be "athletes".
>
> Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other
cultures?
> There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.
>
>
>
> Steven G.

 

[Top Sirloin]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 01:02:47 GMT, "Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

>http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>
>BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI of
>30 or greater

BMI is worthless if you're doing anything besides sitting on the couch inhaling twinkies.

So I'm going to get ridiculed if I show up for a Cat 5 crit at 6'1", 210lb and 8% bf?

-Scott Johnson "There is nothing, I think, more unfortunate than to have soft, chubby, fat-looking
children who go to watch their school play basketball every Saturday and regard that as their week's
exercise."
- John F. Kennedy, 1962

 

[Gerard Lanois]

"Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> writes:

> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm

If anyone wants to know how they stack up against the pros, here is a nice link, courtesy of
Connelly last May:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/feb98/feb6.html

-Gerard

 

[Steve]

On 1/10/03 9:48 PM, in article BA44FE39.1EF13%[email protected], "Steven
L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> wrote:

> in article BA44AF92.1A879%ste[email protected], steve at [email protected] wrote on 01/10/2003
> 06:12 PM:
>
>> HEY!! I resemble that remark!!
>>
>> Steve
>> 28.4 BMI (much more "muscle" than the average cyclist)
>> Ps. Remember.....muscle is 3x more than fat
>>
>> My regular nicknames through the years:
>>
>> thunder thighs frog legs
>
>
>
> And FATTIE STEVIE!!!!!!

Sorry "prison boy" skinny Stevie....................

That came from your boyfriend Henrietta only

>
>
>
>
>
>> On 1/10/03 5:02 PM, in article X2KT9.7973[email protected], "Steve Gaylor"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.globe.com/dailyglobe2/010/metro/Framingham_data_cited_in_obesity_ study+.shtml
>>>
>>> Framingham data cited in obesity study
>>>
>>> A study using data from the well-known Framingham Heart Study shows that people who are fat
>>> during middle age are shaving years off their lives and causing as much damage to their health
>>> as smoking.
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> A healthy weight is a BMI of less than 25. For example, a 5-foot-6-inch adult is considered
>>> overweight at 155 pounds, and obese at 186 pounds
>>>
>>> [article end]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://nhlbisupport.com/bmi/bmicalc.htm
>>>
>>> BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI
>>> of 30 or greater
>>>
>>> [article end]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A 5'11" male weighing more than 175 lbs. would be overweight.
>>>
>>> Most of the Masters Racers I know weigh more than that. They get enough exercise, but it seems a
>>> little dieting would be in order. Especially since most of them consider themselves to be
>>> "athletes".
>>>
>>> Why is it that our culture consumes so much food compared to other cultures? There are more fat
>>> people at a USCF race than there is in the street in Paris.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven G.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
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> bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee
> why you ti ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
> double-yew double-ewe dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash
>

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote
> > "Steve Gaylor" <[email protected]> wrote
> > >
> > > There are more fat people at a USCF race than there is in the street
in
> > > Paris.
>
> You think Parisians stand around looking at each other and say, "T'es affute, toi, mon salopard"?

Translation please? What is "affute"?

> > I'll testify to that. Americans stand out like a rat in a cage full of mice in Paris.
>
> One of the easiest places to spot the difference is in restaurants. No,
not
> what or how much they're eating--the Americans usually aren't the ones chain-smoking through the
> entire meal.

I didn't mean to imply that French were healthy but in France and Switzerland I didn't see a single
fat person in two weeks that wasn't speaking English.

 

[Sparhawk]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:06:56 -0500, Daniel Mendoza <[email protected]> wrote:

>In an article I read a couple years ago, BMI was dissed and ran ragged to the ground. Reason? The
>arguably fittest boxer, Evander Holyfield, was deemed overweight using BMI. His aerobic and
>anaerobic capacities were incredible (resting heart rate of roughly 40 if I remember correctly) and
>nobody can doubt his strength. However, the silly little number said he was overweight and thus at
>risk for heart diease, etc. A better indicator is %body fat IMHO.
>
>Daniel

Fat people will dismiss the results of ANY test that shows them to be fat.

The BMI is only a general guideline and not meant to be an absolute indicator of health.

To use a superbly conditioned althlete as an example of why the test is fauly is really foolish.

Are you fat Daniel?

Sparhawk

 

[Matt O'Toole]

"Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> One of the easiest places to spot the difference is in restaurants. No,
not
> what or how much they're eating--the Americans usually aren't the ones chain-smoking through the
> entire meal.

My German housemate used to say he was having a "French breakfast" -- coffee and a cigarette!

Matt O.

 

[Matt O'Toole]

"Robert Chung" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> The French laugh at low-fat diets.

That's because you have to get your calories wherever you can, in a city where an apple
costs 2 bucks!

Matt O.

 

[Canuck]

"Daniel Mendoza" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In an article I read a couple years ago, BMI was dissed and ran ragged to the ground. Reason? The
> arguably fittest boxer, Evander Holyfield, was deemed overweight using BMI. His aerobic and
> anaerobic capacities were incredible (resting heart rate of roughly 40 if I remember correctly)
> and nobody can doubt his strength. However, the silly little number said he
was
> overweight and thus at risk for heart diease, etc. A better indicator is %body fat IMHO.
>
> Daniel

Bad example. Holyfield's fought in the light-heavyweight division as an amateur. He moved up to the
heavyweight division when he turned professional.

How do you think boxers gain that much muscle mass? Most likely the same way football players do it.

Either that or 300lb. high school lineman occur 'naturally'.

Mmmm hmmmm.

BTW, I'd also wager that being a professional boxer or football player may have the same deleterious
effects on health that obesity does.

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Amit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Andy Coggan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<iXKT9.4149
>
> > Second, keep in mind that calculation of BMI only gives an estimate or predictor of body
> > composition, i.e., it
doesn't
> > distinguish between people who are overfat or those who are merely overweight (due, e.g., to
> > high lean body mass).
> >
>
> Their conclusion has to be taken as it's bad to be heavy, regardless of what the composition of
> that weight is.

Well, on average it is bad to be heavy, i.e., most people who are overweight are so because they're
overfat, not because of excessive lean body mass. A two-step approach could be proposed (i.e., use
BMI as an initial screening tool, and if it is over a certain value, suggest that a more detailed
assessment of body composition be performed), but the number of people who would be more properly
classified using this approach would be quite small.

Andy Coggan

 

[Steven L. Sheff]

in article BA44F82F.1A916%[email protected], steve at [email protected] wrote on
01/10/2003 11:22 PM:

> On 1/10/03 9:48 PM, in article BA44FE39.1EF13%[email protected], "Steven
> L. Sheffield" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And FATTIE STEVIE!!!!!!
>
> Sorry "prison boy" skinny Stevie....................

"Prison boy" skinny???? HA!

I'm 5'9" and currently weigh 181 lbs. I'm fat and I know it.

> That came from your boyfriend Henrietta only

Sweetie Stevie ... he was obsessed with you, not me. And it seemed you had a similar
obsession back ...

--

Steven L. Sheffield stevens at veloworks dot com veloworks at worldnet dot ay tea tee dot net bellum
pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea aye tee why you ti
ay aitch aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you double-yew double-ewe
dot veloworks dot com [four word] slash

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

Tom Kunich wrote:
>> You think Parisians stand around looking at each other and say, "T'es affute, toi, mon salopard"?
>
> Translation please? What is "affute"?

Search for that phrase (using the "") on Google.

 

[Heather Halvors]

Sparhawk wrote:
>
> Fat people will dismiss the results of ANY test that shows them to be fat.

wrong. i know plenty of fat people and most of them admit to it. why, just to take an example from
rbr, henry chang has admitted to his fat problem at least once, iirc.

heather