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Bob (this one)

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They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.

Here's an extract:

"FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins
to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver
meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by
FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to
explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could
come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their
cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where
one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...

"it could cause a riot.

"It gets worse.

"He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired
into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any
occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church.
FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the
camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return.
They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and
they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.

"My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."
 
Bob (this one) wrote:
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
>
> Here's an extract:
>
> "FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins
> to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver
> meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by
> FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to
> explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could
> come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their
> cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where
> one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...
>
> "it could cause a riot.
>
> "It gets worse.
>
> "He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired
> into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any
> occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church.
> FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the
> camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return.
> They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and
> they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
>
> "My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

Internment Camps Redux?

Sandi
 
"Bob (this one)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
>
> Here's an extract:
>
> "FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins
> to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver
> meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by
> FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to
> explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could
> come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their
> cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where
> one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...
>
> "it could cause a riot.
>
> "It gets worse.
>
> "He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired
> into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any
> occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church.
> FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the
> camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return.
> They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and
> they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
>
> "My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

They could keep them there until after the next Presidential elections are
over.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob (this one)" <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
>
> Here's an extract:
>
> "FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the cabins
> to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will deliver
> meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals per day by
> FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host" goes on to
> explain, some churches had already enquired about whether they could
> come in on weekends and fix meals for the people staying in their
> cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be a situation where
> one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs - and...
>
> "it could cause a riot.
>
> "It gets worse.
>
> "He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired
> into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any
> occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending church.
> FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot leave the
> camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may never return.
> They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a sum of money" and
> they will remain within the camp for the next 5 months.
>
> "My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

And when I saw Amerika you know it blew my mind.

Got to ***** about this .

Bill

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Moose I'm trying to understand why Kamikaze pilots wear helments?
 
SD mentioned in passing :
>
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html

"Conspiracy discussion board"?

"Welcome to the AboveTopSecret.com conspiracy discussion board. Use this
board to engage in collaborative discussion and debate on a broad range of
conspiracy, extraterrestrial, secret project, government agency, and other
alternative topics."

That's where you guys are getting your info now? Why don't you just go
straight to the SciFi channel?
 
FDR wrote:
|| "Bob (this one)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|| news:[email protected]...
||| http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
|||
||| They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
|||
||| Here's an extract:
|||
||| "FEMA will not allow any of the kitchen facilities in any of the
||| cabins to be used by the occupants due to fire hazards. FEMA will
||| deliver meals to the cabins. The refugees will be given two meals
||| per day by FEMA. They will not be able to cook. In fact, the "host"
||| goes on to explain, some churches had already enquired about
||| whether they could come in on weekends and fix meals for the people
||| staying in their cabin. FEMA won't allow it because there could be
||| a situation where one cabin gets steaks and another gets hot dogs -
||| and...
|||
||| "it could cause a riot.
|||
||| "It gets worse.
|||
||| "He then precedes to tell us that some churches had already enquired
||| into whether they could send a van or bus on Sundays to pick up any
||| occupants of their cabins who might be interested in attending
||| church. FEMA will not allow this. The occupants of the camp cannot
||| leave the camp for any reason. If they leave the camp they may
||| never return. They will be issued FEMA identification cards and "a
||| sum of money" and they will remain within the camp for the next 5
||| months.
|||
||| "My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."
||
|| They could keep them there until after the next Presidential
|| elections are over.

ROFL!

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo
 
Bob (this one) wrote:

Why dont' you stop crossposting this stuff?
 
Bob (this one) wrote:
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
>
> Here's an extract:

<snip to the chase>

> "My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."

If your informant was the New York Times or other publication of good
reputation, I'd be at least a little more willing to believe this.
 
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> SD mentioned in passing :
>
>>Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> "Conspiracy discussion board"?
>
> "Welcome to the AboveTopSecret.com conspiracy discussion board. Use this
> board to engage in collaborative discussion and debate on a broad range of
> conspiracy, extraterrestrial, secret project, government agency, and other
> alternative topics."
>
> That's where you guys are getting your info now? Why don't you just go
> straight to the SciFi channel?

I thought you did a big *PLONK* on me. Right after I posted this:
--------------
Bill DeWitt wrote:

> Bob (this one) mentioned in passing :
>
>> Bill DeWitt wrote:
>>
>>> Bob (this one) mentioned in passing :
>>>
>>>> " 'The Bush administration has apparently transformed FEMA from a
>>>> professional, world-class emergency responder
>>>
>>> FEMA was never intended to be a responder of any stripe.
>>
>> It most assuredly was and has been in the past. Here's what their web
>
> Only if your distorted definition of "responder" includes any and
> all activities that real responders never do.
> "Responder" in any sane person's definition means people who show
> up,climb over rubble, and save people. FEMA pushes paper.

So I guess the snipped URL's are so no one can see that they say
different things about themselves than you do about them. Got it.

They say that part of their job is to respond to emergencies.

Response takes the forms appropriate to the responder. Not everyone
climbs over rubble. Some administer medical care away from the disaster.
Some wash saved pets in clean surroundings. Some pilot helicopters. Some
drive trucks or buses. Some help people fill out insurance forms or
police reports. Some wear hard hats and get the utilities working again.
Some cook in makeshift kitchens. Some try to get victims relocated.

By your invented definition, none of these other people were and are
responding to a crisis.

Do save that sneering tone for the odd moment when you might be right.

Pastorio
----------------------
I note that you had no reply to that note. I can see why. Ooooops.

As for...
<http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html>

Did you go to see what was written and did you see the photos? I note
you have nothing to say about the content of the post. None of your
inflated defenses of the administration's pure, white virginity.

Here's some more stuff for you, lightweight -
From Bloomburg News:
<http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/2005/09/fema_spoils_sys.html>

Grow up.

Pastorio
 
pennyaline wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>>http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>>
>>They should drag Brown back to DC behind a government limousine.
>>
>>Here's an extract:
>
> <snip to the chase>
>
>>"My son looks at me and mumbles "Welcome to Krakow."
>
> If your informant was the New York Times or other publication of good
> reputation, I'd be at least a little more willing to believe this.

The name of the person posting the information is right there to
correspond with. To check out. To trap in a lie, if there are any.

But, Ok, if you don't want to do that. How about these?
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr1.htm>
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr2.htm>

Pastorio
 
Bob (this one) wrote:
> pennyaline wrote:
> > If your informant was the New York Times or other publication of good
> > reputation, I'd be at least a little more willing to believe this.
>
> The name of the person posting the information is right there to
> correspond with. To check out. To trap in a lie, if there are any.

I'm less concerned with bickering with the writer of the post, than I am
with helping co-promulgators see the error of their gullable ways.


> But, Ok, if you don't want to do that. How about these?
> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr1.htm>
> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr2.htm>

Okay doke, Bob, I read 'em. Those NPR quotes are stuff we already know...
stuff we've known for a goddamned long time, like since the hurricane hit.
But getting back to your original post in this thread: I didn't see anything
about refugees not being allowed to leave camps anywhere in 'em. Were you
really trying to defend that whole www.abovetopsecret.com **** with the NPR
transcripts?
 
Goomba38 wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
> Why dont' you stop crossposting this stuff?

I only do it to **** you off. Knowing how much it disturbs you, I search
out things to distress you. It's all about you, you know. Everything is
about you and your comfort. So I spend hours every day looking for new
things to crosspost just so you'll post more of these dipshit scolding
notes. I was missing them, that's why I suddenly crossposted all this
stuff about Katrina, FEMA, New Orleans and stuff.

You know, the hurricane and all. It's in all the newspapers.

Could you be more a clown than you show?

Rhetorical. Have someone explain that to you.

Pastorio
 
Bob isn't concerned with the truth or fairness. He's an obvious whacko
who just starts one new OT thread in here after another every time he
finds some obscure post from dubious sources. Like he's only recently
discovered that people post all kinds of **** and make all kinds of
crazy assertions on the internet. Now he's down to using
Abovetopsecret.com. Who;s next? Elvis? The only thing all Bob's
posts share in common is that they bash either FEMA or President Bush,
while giving others directly involved, like Gov Blanco or Mayor Nagin a
pass.

And somehow he never sees any of the really big mistakes that were
made, like letting 1000 New Orleans buses to sit unused instead of
using them to give rides to those without transportation BEFORE the
storm hit. That those buses were to be used was even spelled out in
the NO evacuation plan. In fact, Bob minimized that one, by saying it
was really only 120 buses, and that would only have saved 6000 people.
(In fact, those buses could easily have moved 100K people) Apparently
6000 people don't matter, unless it can be used against President Bush
or FEMA. He was *****ing about the inhumanity of leaving people at the
Superdome and Convention Center, how it was all Bush/FEMA's fault. The
truth on that has already come out. The Red Cross has posted on their
own website that they had truck loads of water, food, and other
supplies sitting outside NO and wanted to bring them in to the
Superdome. They were prevented from doing so by Louisiana State
Officials, who didn;'t want to create a magnet for more people to go to
the relief facilities. And now the Mayor of NO, who was predicting
10,000 dead, is now backtracking and saying it will be a lot less. So,
it looks like some more of his hysterical ranting was way off base.

I'm perfectly happy to wait for the full investigation when all the
truth will can come out for everyone to see.
 
pennyaline wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>>pennyaline wrote:
>>
>>>If your informant was the New York Times or other publication of good
>>>reputation, I'd be at least a little more willing to believe this.
>>
>>The name of the person posting the information is right there to
>>correspond with. To check out. To trap in a lie, if there are any.
>
> I'm less concerned with bickering with the writer of the post, than I am
> with helping co-promulgators see the error of their gullable ways.

<LOL> My what an Olympian view. And so altruistic. Mother Teresa
wouldn't melt in your mouth.

I also note no information in your note, but, hey, why get into that
sort of thing when aspersions are so readily available.

It's wonderfully hilarious that you don't want to investigate the
information but have decided that paying any attention to it reflects
gullibility. <LOL> See if you can follow this logic: you don't like the
source, so you reject it and decide anything on it is false. If it
weren't outright false, believing it wouldn't be an example of
gullibility. Too complicated, right?

So without any further thought and certainly no investigation, you've
decided it's false. On the basis of no information. Congratulations on a
particularly stupid conclusion.

>>But, Ok, if you don't want to do that. How about these?
>><http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr1.htm>
>><http://mywebpages.comcast.net/duncanblack/npr2.htm>
>
> Okay doke, Bob, I read 'em. Those NPR quotes are stuff we already know...

See, they kinda blow holes in all that nasty stuff from Washington about
who did what when. And FEMA. It's all about FEMA. And who should accept
which responsibility for what. Just point out that what the press
secretaries say might not be precisely the case.

> stuff we've known for a goddamned long time, like since the hurricane hit.
> But getting back to your original post in this thread: I didn't see anything
> about refugees not being allowed to leave camps anywhere in 'em. Were you
> really trying to defend that whole www.abovetopsecret.com **** with the NPR
> transcripts?

Are you really so obtuse as to imagine that I was *defending* anything?
It's about FEMA. You objected to the source of the first one with no
comment about its information except to say it's false. So I gave you
information from sources "of good reputation." Try to keep up here. This
is *additional* information. But from a more reputable source. And I
note the content escaped you or you chose not to actually register what
it says. The header is about FEMA and this is still more info about them.

But thanks for stopping by. The bell curve was missing the low spots.
And now you're famous in four newsgroups. Expect invitations from all of
them to be on The Investigative Committees.

Pastorio
 
Bill DeWitt wrote:
> SD mentioned in passing :
> >
> > Bob (this one) wrote:
> >> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/fema.html
>
> "Conspiracy discussion board"?
>
> "Welcome to the AboveTopSecret.com conspiracy discussion board. Use this
> board to engage in collaborative discussion and debate on a broad range of
> conspiracy, extraterrestrial, secret project, government agency, and other
> alternative topics."
>
> That's where you guys are getting your info now? Why don't you just go
> straight to the SciFi channel?

Learn how to snip and quote if you are going to reply to my post. You
managed to snip out my entire ONE LINE COMMENT that was a response to
Bob's post..

As for where I get my info, I get it from LaPrensa, Honduras and CNN
International since I don't live in the US. I've never seen that
discussion board before today and probably won't read it again.

SD
 
Bob (this one) wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote:
>
>> Bob (this one) wrote:
>>
>> Why dont' you stop crossposting this stuff?
>
>
> I only do it to **** you off. Knowing how much it disturbs you, I search
> out things to distress you. It's all about you, you know. Everything is
> about you and your comfort. So I spend hours every day looking for new
> things to crosspost just so you'll post more of these dipshit scolding
> notes. I was missing them, that's why I suddenly crossposted all this
> stuff about Katrina, FEMA, New Orleans and stuff.
>
> You know, the hurricane and all. It's in all the newspapers.
>
> Could you be more a clown than you show?
>
> Rhetorical. Have someone explain that to you.
>
> Pastorio


You are starting to sound like someone who is off his meds or needs them
adjusted. Word up.


jim
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bob isn't concerned with the truth or fairness. He's an obvious whacko
> who just starts one new OT thread in here after another every time he
> finds some obscure post from dubious sources. Like he's only recently
> discovered that people post all kinds of **** and make all kinds of
> crazy assertions on the internet. Now he's down to using
> Abovetopsecret.com. Who;s next? Elvis? The only thing all Bob's
> posts share in common is that they bash either FEMA or President Bush,
> while giving others directly involved, like Gov Blanco or Mayor Nagin a
> pass.
>
> And somehow he never sees any of the really big mistakes that were
> made, like letting 1000 New Orleans buses to sit unused instead of
> using them to give rides to those without transportation BEFORE the
> storm hit.

Buses were used to give free rides to the Superdome which was the designated
shelter for those who did not have a way out. 20,000 people took advantage of
this. It is unreasonable to assume that the people who would not get on a bus
to the Superdome pre-flood would get on a bus to parts unknown.

Bill

> That those buses were to be used was even spelled out in
> the NO evacuation plan.

Could you provide a citation on that. The instuctions I saw told people to go
to the Superdome. What is the driving range of a school bus?


> In fact, Bob minimized that one, by saying it
> was really only 120 buses, and that would only have saved 6000 people.
> (In fact, those buses could easily have moved 100K people) Apparently
> 6000 people don't matter, unless it can be used against President Bush
> or FEMA. He was *****ing about the inhumanity of leaving people at the
> Superdome and Convention Center, how it was all Bush/FEMA's fault. The
> truth on that has already come out. The Red Cross has posted on their
> own website that they had truck loads of water, food, and other
> supplies sitting outside NO and wanted to bring them in to the
> Superdome. They were prevented from doing so by Louisiana State
> Officials, who didn;'t want to create a magnet for more people to go to
> the relief facilities. And now the Mayor of NO, who was predicting
> 10,000 dead, is now backtracking and saying it will be a lot less. So,
> it looks like some more of his hysterical ranting was way off base.
>
> I'm perfectly happy to wait for the full investigation when all the
> truth will can come out for everyone to see.
>

The biggest problem is the way Congress and the President makes decisions.

Bill
 
In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
<***@yy.zz> wrote:

>Buses were used to give free rides to the Superdome which was the designated
>shelter for those who did not have a way out. 20,000 people took advantage of
>this. It is unreasonable to assume that the people who would not get on a bus
>to the Superdome pre-flood would get on a bus to parts unknown.
But that was the plan. The Dome wasn't provisioned per the LA
Hurricane plan specifically because it was only a place to ride out
the winds and then teams were to come in and clear out to other
shelters soon there after.
Things were moving along swimmingly until the wee hours of the
morning following landfall when the levees decided to let go. The LA
people had no plans on what to do if the teams going to clear the
Dome couldn't get to them.

>
>Bill
>
>> That those buses were to be used was even spelled out in
>> the NO evacuation plan.
>
>Could you provide a citation on that. The instuctions I saw told people to go
>to the Superdome. What is the driving range of a school bus?

[PDF] STATE OF LOUISIANA EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN SUPPLEMENT 1A ...
The Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan is.
intended to
provide a framework within which the parishes can coordinate ...
http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf

>

>The biggest problem is the way Congress and the President makes decisions.
>
and governors and mayors and...

--
The difference between being diplomatic and undiplomatic is the
difference between saying "When I look at you time stands still"
and "Your face could stop a clock." ~~ Anon.
 
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:19:15 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Ullman)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
><***@yy.zz> wrote:
>
>>Buses were used to give free rides to the Superdome which was the designated
>>shelter for those who did not have a way out. 20,000 people took advantage of
>>this. It is unreasonable to assume that the people who would not get on a bus
>>to the Superdome pre-flood would get on a bus to parts unknown.
> But that was the plan. The Dome wasn't provisioned per the LA
>Hurricane plan specifically because it was only a place to ride out
>the winds and then teams were to come in and clear out to other
>shelters soon there after.
> Things were moving along swimmingly until the wee hours of the
>morning following landfall when the levees decided to let go. The LA
>people had no plans on what to do if the teams going to clear the
>Dome couldn't get to them.
>
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>> That those buses were to be used was even spelled out in
>>> the NO evacuation plan.
>>
>>Could you provide a citation on that. The instuctions I saw told people to go
>>to the Superdome. What is the driving range of a school bus?
>
>[PDF] STATE OF LOUISIANA EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN SUPPLEMENT 1A ...
>The Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Evacuation and Sheltering Plan is.
>intended to
>provide a framework within which the parishes can coordinate ...
>http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf
>
>>
>
>>The biggest problem is the way Congress and the President makes decisions.
>>
> and governors and mayors and...

'Oliver Thomas, the New Orleans City Council president, expressed a
view shared by many in city and state government: that a national
disaster requires a national response. "Everybody's trying to look at
it like the City of New Orleans messed up," Mr. Thomas said in an
interview. "But you mean to tell me that in the richest nation in the
world, people really expected a little town with less than 500,000
people to handle a disaster like this? That's ludicrous to even think
that."

'Andrew Kopplin, Governor Blanco's chief of staff, took a similar
position. "This was a bigger natural disaster than any state could
handle by itself, let alone a small state and a relatively poor one,"
Mr. Kopplin said.

'Federal officials seem to have belatedly come to the same conclusion.
Michael Chertoff, the homeland security secretary, said future
"ultra-catastrophes" like Katrina would require a more aggressive
federal role.'

http://tinyurl.com/czkaa
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/11/n...ex=1126411200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=all

--
Josh

"This is a devastating storm. This is a storm that's
going to require immediate action now." -George W. Bush,
four days after Hurricane Katrina
 
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