FEMA's wonderful job



Oh, please. Try switching to the news instead of cartoons. Jesse
>Jackson, Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,
>Frank Lautenberg, Ray Nagin, Mary Landrieu.... Have any of these
>people even raised a single question about what Lousiana state or local
>officials did or are doing while lashing out at FEMA and President
>Bush?


"Er, what makes you think that the news has carried the full text of
what they say? "

You really are watching cartoons. I've seen enough of this **** from
these political hacks to have a damn good sampling of what they said.
I heard some real gems, like Jesse Jackson claiming blacks were being
counted as 3/5 of a white person, how they were too poor to leave,
instead of perhaps asking what the black Mayor of New Orleans didn't
help his own people. Through all of it, none of these skunks ever
points the finger at the local or state officials. It's all FEMA/Bush
bashing.


"Fact is, nobody outside the region gives much of a damn about local
officials. The sound bites are going to focus on the President, as
they should. "

That's funny, I thought the focus should be on saving lives and helping
people. But I guess that's cause I have different values than you do.
 
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:59:31 GMT, "Bill" <***@yy.zz> wrote:

>Do you have a citation to support your contention that Louisiana State
>Officials stopped the Red Cross from delivering food etc. to the Superdome and
>Convention Center?

A most liberal new outlet CNN might open your eyes.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/katrina.redcross/


The best thing about dating a homeless person is that
at the end of the date, you can drop them off anywhere.
 
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 07:44:20 -0400, Josh Hill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Yeah, right, load 50,000-100,000 poor people on 100 schoolbuses.

Any contribution would help.....glad to hear that you had nothing to
provide!
The best thing about dating a homeless person is that
at the end of the date, you can drop them off anywhere.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> "And you want to turn everything over to the people who are
> not simnply content with not helping, they are actively preventing
> others from helping? "
>
> That is not even close to what I said.

No, this is exactly what you said:

> Yeah and while they were whining, take a look at what else they were
> doing. President Bush called up Gov Blanco and asked to put all the
> resources under FEMA control, she refused.

And as I pointed out, FEMA was actively blocking aid to New Orleans.

So you did want her to turn everything over to the people who were
actively preventing others from helping.

> I simply pointed out that FEMA,
> contrary to what you and a lot of other people think, by law does not
> have direct control over a lot of what is going on. President Bush
> wanted to have FEMA take full control early on and Gov Blanco refused.

Again, you did want her to turn everything over to the people who were
actively preventing others from helping.

> Ask the Red Cross who kept them from delivering food and water to the
> Convention Center and the Superdome while the world watched. They had
> truck loads of food and water waiting right outside the city, where it
> had been staged. And this was the Red Cross, trained professionals in
> disaster response, not amateur volunteers with no experience, who you
> think should just be allowed into a diaster zone at will. The Red
> Cross was prevented from entering by Louisiana State Officials.


Really?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food

Saturday, September 03, 2005
By Ann Rodgers, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention
center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal
emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that
they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to
request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans,"
said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local
authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for
access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

Calls to the Department of Homeland Security and its subagency, the
Federal Emergency Management Agency, were not returned yesterday.

> But
> guess what? They get a pass from whacko's

Ad hominem attack noted. When a person falls to this, it's generally a
good sign that they are losing the debate.

> like you and all the usual
> liberal hack's because for partisan political purposes, you'd rather
> point the finger only at President Bush.

I note you attempt to change the subject to motivation, reather than
disucss the issue at hand. Another sign that you're losing the debate.
But without facts, what can you do?
 
Josh Hill mentioned in passing :
>
> So you say from the safety of your comfortable middle class suburban
> couch

If you can get this much wrong without even -asking- for the facts, it's
no wonder you get so much else wrong.

Making emotionally conceived assumptions, then proceeding as if those
assumptions are proven facts is what made people drown in NO, not FEMA's
timely response.
 
[email protected] mentioned in passing :
>
> Bill, these whackos don't want to hear reality.

I know, I've been watching you try and I keep wanting to say "Don't
bother, they have an agenda that prevents the truth from being true to
them".

But then I realize that other people are reading these threads, and that
if someone sane doesn't counter the insanity, the definition of "sane"
shifts towards the insane.

People begin to think that FEMA really -should- have let thousands of
air boats from Florida swoop in and start crashing into each other with no
plan. They start to think that rescue helicopters, which are tuned to carry
specific loads for rescue only, -should- have been loaded down with water
bottles. They begin to imagine that Bush had a plan to -cause- the flood so
that black people would die.

Without contention, ideas such as these, which have been put forward on
this and other forums, would be considered the norm. And, like the concept
of a flat earth 600 years ago, would be widely believed despite the
observable facts.
 
Tony Wesley mentioned in passing :
>
>> The Red Cross was prevented from entering by Louisiana
>> State Officials.
>
>
> Really?

Yes, really. According to your own citation:

> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm
>
<snip for clarity>
>
> "Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local
> authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for
> access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

"The National Guard", a State controlled force, and "local authorities",
meaning the state and city governments.

Of note is the fact that the reporter got it wrong, as did the headline
writer. Their source, whom they quoted, seems to be the only one who can see
what's plain as day. LNG is controlled by the Governor of LA.

Next....
 
"> Ask the Red Cross who kept them from delivering food and water to
the
> Convention Center and the Superdome while the world watched. They had
> truck loads of food and water waiting right outside the city, where it
> had been staged. And this was the Red Cross, trained professionals in
> disaster response, not amateur volunteers with no experience, who you
> think should just be allowed into a diaster zone at will. The Red
> Cross was prevented from entering by Louisiana State Officials.

Really? "

Yes, really. Instead of relying on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, a real
powerhouse of journalism that no one ever heard of, you can go right to
the Red Cross website. Is that a good enough source for you? Here,
direct from the Red Cross:



"Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local
authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply
cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to
request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans
following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating
and encourage others to come into the city. "

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

Fools like you are so quick to rush to judgement that you don't even
know or consider that not only is there a federal homeland security
agency, but most, if not all states, have them too. Louisiana has one
and like their National Guard it's under the control of the governor.
That is how the Red Cross was blocked. And I guess the Red Cross,
like many Americans, is fed up with seeing people like you try to
mislead people for your own partisan political purposes. So they put
the truth up on their own website.

"Again, you did want her to turn everything over to the people who were

actively preventing others from helping. "

How thick is your skull? I never said I wanted her to turn over
everything. Again, one more time. I only said that President Bush
wanted to take federal control of all the agencies involved so that the
response could be better coordinated and controlled. Governor Blanco
refused. So, the GOVERNOR controls the Louisiana National Guard and
state homeland security agency. So, stop blaming FEMA and President
Bush for the ACTIONS OF AGENCIES THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER!


"I note you attempt to change the subject to motivation, reather than
disucss the issue at hand. "

No need to discuss your motivation, as that is quite obvious. You're a
Bush basher who would do anything, including use a national disaster,
to try to divide a country for political purposes.

Long live the truth!
 
Heh Josh, why don't you ask the Red Cross who really blocked them from
delivering food and water to the Superdome and Convention Center that
they had waiting outside New Orleans:

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local
authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply
cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to
request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans
following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating
and encourage others to come into the city

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

There you have it. The National Guard and Louisiana Dept of Homeland
Security were both under the control of Gov Blanco and even you
acknowledge that she refused to give control to FEMA. And those
agencies under Blanco's direct control blocked the Red Cross from
delivering food and water.


"And how about Mayor Nagin, on radio blabbering on about
>how terrible everything is. No direction, just whining and cursing.
>Talking about addicts and how they were looting hospitals because NO
>has a big drug problem and now they need a fix. Funny how that goes
>unmentioned. Better to talk about vague political BS motives and point
>at President Bush. But it ain't gonna go unchallenged!

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Nagin and the New
Orleans officials were pleading for aid -"

It has everything to with it, but you won;t face up to it, because you
want to give Nagin a pass and heap everything on PResident Bush.n What
it shows is Nagin is not a leader, but an incompetent crybaby. I;'ve
never seen such a display from an elected official anywhere. Along the
way, he's asked some good questions, like "Has the governor declared a
state of emergency?" Answer: I don't know. Asked - What do you
need? We need people to get off their asses! Wow, how specific,
clear and concise. Pushed again for what they need he says they need
500 buses and he was just in a meeting about that. He says
"they"(unclear who he's referring to), were talking about getting
school bus drivers. Then he goes on a rant about we don't want school
buses, we should be getting every Greyhound bus from all over the
country right now! Hmmm, let's think. Which is available in higher
quantity and closer by? Getting school buses sounds like a fine idea
to me, but not to the crybaby mayor. He wants them Greyhound! Now
FEMA can't order this clown around and from that interview, it's
apparent that trying to reason with him is probably even worse than
reasoning with guys like you or Bob.

Then he goes off on a rant about addicts having to loot hospitals
because New Orleans has a big drug problem. Just the image to send to
the world of the city he's elected Mayor of, right? Is it any wonder
this guy couldn't get the evacuation job done? Compare that to Guliani
on 9/11. Actually you can't because there is no comparison. One was a
leader, the other a whining crybaby.

Long live the truth!
 
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:07:37 -0400, "Bill DeWitt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] mentioned in passing :
>>
>> Bill, these whackos don't want to hear reality.
>
> I know, I've been watching you try and I keep wanting to say "Don't
>bother, they have an agenda that prevents the truth from being true to
>them".
>
> But then I realize that other people are reading these threads, and that
>if someone sane doesn't counter the insanity, the definition of "sane"
>shifts towards the insane.
>
> People begin to think that FEMA really -should- have let thousands of
>air boats from Florida swoop in and start crashing into each other with no
>plan. They start to think that rescue helicopters, which are tuned to carry
>specific loads for rescue only, -should- have been loaded down with water
>bottles. They begin to imagine that Bush had a plan to -cause- the flood so
>that black people would die.

Get real. You're making up crazy notions and then attacking them.

What people do believe is that people shouldn't have been left in the
muck without buses, food, water, and troops.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have slashed the budget
for FEMA.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have slashed the budget
for shoring up the levees.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have staffed FEMA with
politically-connected hacks who had no experience.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have been strumming his
guitar while people were drowning.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have been so confused
that he was praising the director of FEMA long after everyone knew
that he was incompetent.

What people do believe is that Bush shouldn't have let
small-government ideology get in the way of reality.

What people do believe is that Bush should have cut through the
bureaucracy.

And people aren't going to forgive President Bush for having done or,
as the case may be, not having done those things and so many others.
As a President who was fond of taking responsibility rather than
ducking and blaming used to say, "the buck stops here."

--
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"This is a devastating storm. This is a storm that's
going to require immediate action now." -George W. Bush,
four days after Hurricane Katrina
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Those buses were, as you point out, almost covered with water, and so
> wouldn't have been particularly useful even if 100 buses had been
> sufficient -- which, at 75 people per schoolbus, was not the case. "
>
> Gee you liberals are dumb. The idea was to get the poor on the school
> buses and give them rides out before the storm. You know, like Sat and
> all day Sunday?

Thanks for your post. I was going to say the same thing. It's hard for me
to believe the person actually wrote that the busses were could not be
used since they were almost covered with water. It was obvious from my
post that I clearly meant that those busses could have been used to
evacuate people BEFORE THE HURRICANE CAME ON SHORE.
It's obvious to everyone except for liberals playing the blame game that
those busses would never have been almost covered with water if they had
been used by local officials to evacuate people.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> On 10 Sep 2005 19:10:16 -0700, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Those buses were, as you point out, almost covered with water, and so
> >wouldn't have been particularly useful even if 100 buses had been
> >sufficient -- which, at 75 people per schoolbus, was not the case. "
> >
> >Gee you liberals are dumb. The idea was to get the poor on the school
> >buses and give them rides out before the storm. You know, like Sat and
> >all day Sunday?
>
> Yeah, right, load 50,000-100,000 poor people on 100 schoolbuses.
>
> Next . . .

Good point--your liberal thought process prevented you from reading in my
post that the liberal democratic governor should have used ALL OF THE
SCHOOL BUSSES IN THE STATE to evacuate the people that wanted to be
evacuated--before the hurricane came on shore.

Next

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On 11 Sep 2005 06:47:14 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"> And most of these
>> people didn't have cars or the economic resources to, forex, rent a
>> hotel room.
>
> So they should stay in their houses and die? Personal
>responsibility -starts- at staying alive. That's -your- job, not
>FEMA's.
>Abdicating that basic right and responsibility is the foundation of
>slavery.
>
> Depending on the federal government to keep you alive is equivalent
>to
>asking the federal government for permission to stay alive. Once you
>grant
>them that power there is no turning back. "
>
>Bill, these whackos don't want to hear reality. First it's the poor
>didn't have cars or a place to go. So you point out that Louisiana's
>evacuation plan for New Orleans and surrounding areas states that
>school buses, transportation buses, etc, MAY be used to provide
>transportation to those in need. The whackos response is the plan only
>says MAY provide. What a joke! Or you can point out that New Orleans
>officials could have done a lot more to convince people to leave. They
>could have gone into neighborhoods with bull horns like other areas do,
>go door to door, closed bars that were having hurricane parties, etc.
>They had 2 days to do all that. The whackos answer to that is this is
>America, people can do what they want to do. But of course, when
>they're flooded, now they all ***** that it's FEMA's fault that they
>can't come pick these people up off roof tops 24 hours later, when the
>entire coast has been devastated.
>
>It's clear all these whackos want to do, for partisan reasons, is
>blame President Bush and FEMA. They will make every irrational excuse,
>no matter how stupid, to give everyone else involved a pass. It used
>to be the country would be united in times like this. But today,
>within 48 hours we have scum bags like Michael Moore trying to use this
>for their own agenda. How very sad.

"Whackos"? "Partisan?" "Irrational excuses?" "Own agenda?"

You're sounding like a caricature of a wingnut. The facts speak for
themselves, if, that is, they aren't floating face down, and they say
that the Bush Administration botched this, and botched it big time,
and what's more did it in /precisely/ the way we've been warning about
since before you voted for a President who by his own admission
doesn't even read the newspaper.

No, to the extent this is a partisan issue, it's that a formerly great
political party ran a candidate who could scarcely tie his shoes. The
Republican Party is the victim of its own designs -- it's gotten so
good at smearing, spinning, and sound bite making that it could elect
a sodden lump of clay. Unfortunately, sodden lumps of clay don't
perform very well in office. "All the people all the time," innit.

--
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"This is a devastating storm. This is a storm that's
going to require immediate action now." -George W. Bush,
four days after Hurricane Katrina
 
In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
<***@yy.zz> wrote:

> "Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:49:17 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Ullman)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
> >> ><***@yy.zz> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>In this case, I don't see anything specific the mayor could have done
> >> >>differently.
> >> >>
> >> >> '
> >> > Let the Feds take over earlier. I also don't see anything that
> >> >the Feds could have done different, until about the second day after
> >> >the flooding. THEn they shoulda just come in, pushed the locals out
> >> >of the way and did what was needed to be done.
> >>
> >> The locals spent several days begging for buses, food, water, troops .
> >> . . and FEMA didn't send them, just kept making promises.
> >
> > Hello,
> > One picture that you will not see in any liberal news magazine such as
> > NewsWeek and Time is a picture of about 100 or more school busses that are
> > almost covered with water. Those busses could easily have used to evacuate
> > people but they were NOT used to evactuate anyone. I've seen the picture
> > of the busses. The mayor of the city or governor could easily have ordered
> > all school busses in the state to be used to evacuate people several days
> > before the hurricane came on shore. Please don't try to blame FEMA or Bush
> > for failing to use all of the school busses to evacuate people. FEMA and
> > Bush don't control school busses.
> > Jason
> >
>
> The Mayor provided free Buses to anyone who wanted to go to the Superdome
> pre-flood. 20,000 went. The rest left by other means or decided to stay at
> home.
>
> What makes you believe that those people who did not take advantage of the
> free buses to the Superdome would have gotten on a bus to some unknown place?
>
> Bill

Bill,
I merely made the point about making use of all of the busses in the state
to evacuate people since liberals playing the blame game are now blaming
FEMA
for failing to evacuate people several days before the hurricane came on
shore. I agree that lots of those people would not have gotten on the
busses. The governor of the state is now trying to blame FEMA for failing
to evacuate people. The truth is that she is the one that is really to
blame since she did not even attempt to use those busses in the picture
that were almost covered with water to evacuate people.
Jason

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On 11 Sep 2005 06:55:04 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Oh, please. Try switching to the news instead of cartoons. Jesse
>>Jackson, Michael Moore, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,
>>Frank Lautenberg, Ray Nagin, Mary Landrieu.... Have any of these
>>people even raised a single question about what Lousiana state or local
>>officials did or are doing while lashing out at FEMA and President
>>Bush?
>
>
>"Er, what makes you think that the news has carried the full text of
>what they say? "
>
>You really are watching cartoons. I've seen enough of this **** from
>these political hacks to have a damn good sampling of what they said.
>I heard some real gems, like Jesse Jackson claiming blacks were being
>counted as 3/5 of a white person, how they were too poor to leave,
>instead of perhaps asking what the black Mayor of New Orleans didn't
>help his own people. Through all of it, none of these skunks ever
>points the finger at the local or state officials. It's all FEMA/Bush
>bashing.

National dialog. Why the hell would they go after the dog catcher? You
can find plenty of stuff about the dog catchers in the newspaper, if
you like.

>"Fact is, nobody outside the region gives much of a damn about local
>officials. The sound bites are going to focus on the President, as
>they should. "
>
>That's funny, I thought the focus should be on saving lives and helping
>people. But I guess that's cause I have different values than you do.

You're one dishonest dude, you know that? It was Bush who wasn't
saving lives, not ordinary citizens who live 1400 miles away. It was
Bush who was strumming his guitar and Condi who was buying shoes while
the world was watching CNN in stunned disbelief, saying "Where are the
troops? Where are the buses?" And now it's people like you who are
trying to avoid the fact that your party's leader is a callous
incompetent by making outlandish claims about the motivations of
others.

'The Wall Street Journal reported that Representative Richard Baker of
Baton Rouge was overheard telling lobbyists: "We finally cleaned up
public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did".'

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/10/opinion/10dowd.html?incamp=article_popular_1

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"This is a devastating storm. This is a storm that's
going to require immediate action now." -George W. Bush,
four days after Hurricane Katrina
 
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:07:04 -0400, "Bill DeWitt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Josh Hill mentioned in passing :
>>
>> So you say from the safety of your comfortable middle class suburban
>> couch
>
> If you can get this much wrong without even -asking- for the facts, it's
>no wonder you get so much else wrong.
>
> Making emotionally conceived assumptions, then proceeding as if those
>assumptions are proven facts is what made people drown in NO, not FEMA's
>timely response.

"FEMA's timely response?" You have /got/ to be kidding. Not even Trent
Lott and Newt Gringrich believe that.


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going to require immediate action now." -George W. Bush,
four days after Hurricane Katrina
 
"Josh Hill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > So, they shoulda let the Feds in when the Feds first asked them.
> >Mainly trying to pawn their problems off on the Feds. Everyone's
> >favority whipping boy.
>
> Er, when did they not let the Feds in? The locals sent out desperate
> calls to the Feds, again and again. The Feds kept not showing up.

from:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050905/ap_on_he_me/katrina_health
Next door in Mississippi, the North Carolina mobile hospital waiting to help
also offered impressive state-of-the-art medical care. It was developed with
millions of tax dollars through the Office of Homeland Security after
9-11. With capacity for 113 beds, it is designed to handle disasters and
mass casualties.

Equipment includes ultrasound, digital radiology, satellite Internet, and a
full pharmacy, enabling doctors to do most types of surgery in the field,
including open-chest and abdominal operations.

It travels in a convoy that includes two 53-foot trailers, which on Sunday
afternoon was parked on a gravel lot 70 miles north of New Orleans because
Louisiana officials for several days would not let them deploy to the
flooded city, Rich said.

Yet plans to use the facility and its 100 health professionals were hatched
days before Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, doctors in the
caravan said.


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Jason wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
> <***@yy.zz> wrote:
>
> > "Jason" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:49:17 GMT, [email protected] (Kurt Ullman)
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >In article <[email protected]>, "Bill"
> > >> ><***@yy.zz> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>In this case, I don't see anything specific the mayor could have done
> > >> >>differently.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> '
> > >> > Let the Feds take over earlier. I also don't see anything that
> > >> >the Feds could have done different, until about the second day after
> > >> >the flooding. THEn they shoulda just come in, pushed the locals out
> > >> >of the way and did what was needed to be done.
> > >>
> > >> The locals spent several days begging for buses, food, water, troops .
> > >> . . and FEMA didn't send them, just kept making promises.
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > > One picture that you will not see in any liberal news magazine such as
> > > NewsWeek and Time is a picture of about 100 or more school busses that are
> > > almost covered with water. Those busses could easily have used to evacuate
> > > people but they were NOT used to evactuate anyone. I've seen the picture
> > > of the busses. The mayor of the city or governor could easily have ordered
> > > all school busses in the state to be used to evacuate people several days
> > > before the hurricane came on shore. Please don't try to blame FEMA or Bush
> > > for failing to use all of the school busses to evacuate people. FEMA and
> > > Bush don't control school busses.
> > > Jason
> > >
> >
> > The Mayor provided free Buses to anyone who wanted to go to the Superdome
> > pre-flood. 20,000 went. The rest left by other means or decided to stay at
> > home.
> >
> > What makes you believe that those people who did not take advantage of the
> > free buses to the Superdome would have gotten on a bus to some unknown place?
> >
> > Bill
>
> Bill,
> I merely made the point about making use of all of the busses in the state
> to evacuate people since liberals playing the blame game are now blaming
> FEMA
> for failing to evacuate people several days before the hurricane came on
> shore. I agree that lots of those people would not have gotten on the
> busses. The governor of the state is now trying to blame FEMA for failing
> to evacuate people. The truth is that she is the one that is really to
> blame since she did not even attempt to use those busses in the picture
> that were almost covered with water to evacuate people.

No, that *incompetant* **** was only guilty of not immediately moving
those busses to higher ground so the'd be available later if need be...
but then the putz of a police commissioner was just as incompetant for
not havng the entire force relocate (with vehicles, uniforms, the whole
shebang) to an emergency armory located on higher ground, and so on
down the line, fire dept, ambulances. you name it... the INCOMPETANT
SCHMUCKS ALWAYS KNEW THEY LIVED BELOW SEA LEVEL, NO SURPRISE.

No one was responsible for moving the able bodied except themselves...
and they were all warned to get out.

I wouldn't rebuild anything below sea level, it will happen again...
only gamble is when... could be fifty years or next week. Coulda been
a whole lot worse, not many died... next time Mother Nature may not be
nearly so kind.

Sheldon
 
Josh Hill mentioned in passing :
>
>
> "FEMA's timely response?"\

Yes. Their literature states to expect help from them in 72 -96 hours,
and that's what happened. Timely.

> You have /got/ to be kidding. Not even Trent
> Lott and Newt Gringrich believe that.

Then they are wrong.

But I don't trust you to report their beliefs accurately. We already
know how wrong you are willing to be to make your point.
 
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