On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:06:00 -0600,
[email protected] (Hobbes)
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:49:12 -0600, [email protected] (Hobbes)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >[email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:08:48 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:11:34 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news[email protected]...
>> >> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:15 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/05/features/features.html
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Agrees with what I've heard. First attempt should be something
>> >> >>>>>you've
>> >> >>>>>tripled in the gym, second should be something you're still pretty
>> >> >>>>>sure
>> >> >>>>>of getting, often a slight PR if training and taper has been going
>> >> >>>>>well.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thanx Steve
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>No problem. In the two meets I've done, it's the approach I've used
>> >> >>>and
>> >> >>>I went 8 for 9 both times so it seems about right to me.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>-S-
>> >> >>>http://www.kbnj.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What about spotters? The meets supply their own, right? One for each
>> >> >> side of the bar?
>> >> >
>> >> >The meets I've been at have supplied more than enough spotters, but for
>> >> >bench, a lifter often prefers to supply his own person to take the
>> >> >center position for hand-off if that's possible.
>> >> >
>> >> >-S-
>> >>
>> >> Why is one person in the middle better than one at each end? I was
>> >> spotting my friend today and he did worse with me spotting than by
>> >> unracking it himself. If I'm not mistaken (but I could be), the meet
>> >> requires spotters to unrack the bar and give it to the lifter at
>> >> lockout. I know I can't do that by myself standing behind his head
>> >> with a 380 lb bar.
>> >
>> >I've done a few world meets and actually been requested to give the hand
>> >off by some lifters attempting records. (At CPU/IPF meets you can't have
>> >your own guy do the hand off.)
>> >
>> >I've been told it makes a difference. I've also done hand offs for lifters
>> >doing over 600 lbs. You don't have to take all the weight, obviously.
>> >
>> >What I try and do is get the bar to the perfect position for the lifter -
>> >normally out over their chest - and then let the bar go in such a way that
>> >it feels light for the lifter. So I take as much weight off as I can, get
>> >the bar to where the lifter wants it, and then let the remainder of the
>> >weight drop onto the lifter gradually - I don't just 'plonk' the bar onto
>> >them.
>> >
>> >It can depend on the lifter, but with a 400 or so bench I felt the hand
>> >off could be worth 10-15 lbs for me.
>>
>> Interesting Keith. You feel one guy in the middle can be better than
>> one guy at each end?
>>
>> What are the critical stats/factors for one guy doing a hand off to
>> someone benching 380? Should the spotter be able to DL and/or Good
>> Morning a certain amount? My training partner uses the top pin on the
>> bench. I'm 5'10" Should I be standing on an elevated platform?
>> (I was.) If so, how high should the platform be? Exactly how are you
>> positioned to help get the bar over the lifter's chest and then
>> gradually release the remainder of the weight onto the lifter?
>
>I think it isn't the amount lifted, but giving it to the person in the
>right position and then letting the weight onto the person smoothly. The
>two people never give it to you perfectly evenly. I've used two people in
>a meet if the guy in the back was crappy because at least then you have a
>chance to get the bar over your chest. In a meet you want to set up well
>down the bench so you don't worry about bouncing the uprights.
>
>But if you have someone good I think it is more a matter of the person
>being smooth and reading your lift. On the first attempt I try and see how
>the person lifts and remember so I can get the bar into the right groove
>for them. I don't think there is a requirement for being able to do so
>much weight, but obviously a strong guy has an easier time getting the bar
>there.
I'd like to see an online tutorial, video, or jpg sequence
illustrating the "spot lift."
What are the biomechanics of this lift? Knees slightly bent, mixed
grip, back slightly forward, gaze always downward, etc.?
How high should the spotter's platform be? How tall should the
spotter be relative to the pin the bar is resting on?
How should the bencher and the spotter be positioned relative to each
other so that the spotter doesn't have to move the bar too far forward
to get it into the right position for the controlled descent?
I'm assuming the bencher is always helping (unracking the bar and
bringing it to the correct position) and that the spotter is not
unracking the bar and bringing it to the correct position and then
gradually lowering it to the bencher's outstretched hands all by
himself.
I ask these questions because I'm the spotter for a guy who wants to
max out at 275-280 at a meet two weeks away. We work together in
unracking the bar and getting it to the correct position for him, but
his performance is a lot worse when I "help" him. (I'm not
overlooking the fact that he started pausing a split-second longer at
bottom when I started helping him unrack and position the bar. (He
never "bounces" it.) The total time under tension is doubtless
longer. My sense is that I'm not giving him all that much help
unracking the bar and that my assistance is negligible as the bar
moves forward (away from me) to get it into the correct pposition for
him.
I don't get the "give it to him smoothly" part although that sounds
great. How do you do this and tell when you have and haven't done
this right?