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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:35:53 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:19:03 -0600, John Hanson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:40:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
>>misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:06:00 -0600, [email protected] (Hobbes)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:49:12 -0600, [email protected] (Hobbes)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> >[email protected] wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:08:48 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>>>>> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:11:34 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >>>news
[email protected]...
>>>>> >> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:15 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/05/features/features.html
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>Agrees with what I've heard. First attempt should be something
>>>>> >> >>>>>you've
>>>>> >> >>>>>tripled in the gym, second should be something you're still pretty
>>>>> >> >>>>>sure
>>>>> >> >>>>>of getting, often a slight PR if training and taper has been going
>>>>> >> >>>>>well.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Thanx Steve
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>No problem. In the two meets I've done, it's the approach I've used
>>>>> >> >>>and
>>>>> >> >>>I went 8 for 9 both times so it seems about right to me.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>-S-
>>>>> >> >>>http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> What about spotters? The meets supply their own, right? One for each
>>>>> >> >> side of the bar?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >The meets I've been at have supplied more than enough spotters, but for
>>>>> >> >bench, a lifter often prefers to supply his own person to take the
>>>>> >> >center position for hand-off if that's possible.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >-S-
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why is one person in the middle better than one at each end? I was
>>>>> >> spotting my friend today and he did worse with me spotting than by
>>>>> >> unracking it himself. If I'm not mistaken (but I could be), the meet
>>>>> >> requires spotters to unrack the bar and give it to the lifter at
>>>>> >> lockout. I know I can't do that by myself standing behind his head
>>>>> >> with a 380 lb bar.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've done a few world meets and actually been requested to give the hand
>>>>> >off by some lifters attempting records. (At CPU/IPF meets you can't have
>>>>> >your own guy do the hand off.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've been told it makes a difference. I've also done hand offs for lifters
>>>>> >doing over 600 lbs. You don't have to take all the weight, obviously.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What I try and do is get the bar to the perfect position for the lifter -
>>>>> >normally out over their chest - and then let the bar go in such a way that
>>>>> >it feels light for the lifter. So I take as much weight off as I can, get
>>>>> >the bar to where the lifter wants it, and then let the remainder of the
>>>>> >weight drop onto the lifter gradually - I don't just 'plonk' the bar onto
>>>>> >them.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It can depend on the lifter, but with a 400 or so bench I felt the hand
>>>>> >off could be worth 10-15 lbs for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting Keith. You feel one guy in the middle can be better than
>>>>> one guy at each end?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the critical stats/factors for one guy doing a hand off to
>>>>> someone benching 380? Should the spotter be able to DL and/or Good
>>>>> Morning a certain amount? My training partner uses the top pin on the
>>>>> bench. I'm 5'10" Should I be standing on an elevated platform?
>>>>> (I was.) If so, how high should the platform be? Exactly how are you
>>>>> positioned to help get the bar over the lifter's chest and then
>>>>> gradually release the remainder of the weight onto the lifter?
>>>>
>>>>I think it isn't the amount lifted, but giving it to the person in the
>>>>right position and then letting the weight onto the person smoothly. The
>>>>two people never give it to you perfectly evenly. I've used two people in
>>>>a meet if the guy in the back was crappy because at least then you have a
>>>>chance to get the bar over your chest. In a meet you want to set up well
>>>>down the bench so you don't worry about bouncing the uprights.
>>>>
>>>>But if you have someone good I think it is more a matter of the person
>>>>being smooth and reading your lift. On the first attempt I try and see how
>>>>the person lifts and remember so I can get the bar into the right groove
>>>>for them. I don't think there is a requirement for being able to do so
>>>>much weight, but obviously a strong guy has an easier time getting the bar
>>>>there.
>>>
>>>I'd like to see an online tutorial, video, or jpg sequence
>>>illustrating the "spot lift."
>>>
>>>What are the biomechanics of this lift? Knees slightly bent, mixed
>>>grip, back slightly forward, gaze always downward, etc.?
>>>
>>>How high should the spotter's platform be? How tall should the
>>>spotter be relative to the pin the bar is resting on?
>>>
>>>How should the bencher and the spotter be positioned relative to each
>>>other so that the spotter doesn't have to move the bar too far forward
>>>to get it into the right position for the controlled descent?
>>>
>>>I'm assuming the bencher is always helping (unracking the bar and
>>>bringing it to the correct position) and that the spotter is not
>>>unracking the bar and bringing it to the correct position and then
>>>gradually lowering it to the bencher's outstretched hands all by
>>>himself.
>>>
>>>I ask these questions because I'm the spotter for a guy who wants to
>>>max out at 275-280 at a meet two weeks away. We work together in
>>>unracking the bar and getting it to the correct position for him, but
>>>his performance is a lot worse when I "help" him. (I'm not
>>>overlooking the fact that he started pausing a split-second longer at
>>>bottom when I started helping him unrack and position the bar. (He
>>>never "bounces" it.) The total time under tension is doubtless
>>>longer. My sense is that I'm not giving him all that much help
>>>unracking the bar and that my assistance is negligible as the bar
>>>moves forward (away from me) to get it into the correct pposition for
>>>him.
>>>
>>>I don't get the "give it to him smoothly" part although that sounds
>>>great. How do you do this and tell when you have and haven't done
>>>this right?
>>
>>Practice makes perfect. You should also have some idea from when
>>people give you a "pick".
>
>Please explain.
Hand off for people and get hand offs from people. Eventually, you'll
get good at it. It isn't rocket science. Just do it.
misc.fitness.weights:
>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:19:03 -0600, John Hanson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:40:33 GMT, [email protected] wrote in
>>misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:06:00 -0600, [email protected] (Hobbes)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 22:49:12 -0600, [email protected] (Hobbes)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>> >[email protected] wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:08:48 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>>>>> >> >> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:11:34 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> >> >>>news
[email protected]...>>>>> >> >>>> On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:58:15 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/05/features/features.html
>>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>>> >> >>>>>Agrees with what I've heard. First attempt should be something
>>>>> >> >>>>>you've
>>>>> >> >>>>>tripled in the gym, second should be something you're still pretty
>>>>> >> >>>>>sure
>>>>> >> >>>>>of getting, often a slight PR if training and taper has been going
>>>>> >> >>>>>well.
>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>> >> >>>> Thanx Steve
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>No problem. In the two meets I've done, it's the approach I've used
>>>>> >> >>>and
>>>>> >> >>>I went 8 for 9 both times so it seems about right to me.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>>-S-
>>>>> >> >>>http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> What about spotters? The meets supply their own, right? One for each
>>>>> >> >> side of the bar?
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >The meets I've been at have supplied more than enough spotters, but for
>>>>> >> >bench, a lifter often prefers to supply his own person to take the
>>>>> >> >center position for hand-off if that's possible.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >-S-
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why is one person in the middle better than one at each end? I was
>>>>> >> spotting my friend today and he did worse with me spotting than by
>>>>> >> unracking it himself. If I'm not mistaken (but I could be), the meet
>>>>> >> requires spotters to unrack the bar and give it to the lifter at
>>>>> >> lockout. I know I can't do that by myself standing behind his head
>>>>> >> with a 380 lb bar.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've done a few world meets and actually been requested to give the hand
>>>>> >off by some lifters attempting records. (At CPU/IPF meets you can't have
>>>>> >your own guy do the hand off.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I've been told it makes a difference. I've also done hand offs for lifters
>>>>> >doing over 600 lbs. You don't have to take all the weight, obviously.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What I try and do is get the bar to the perfect position for the lifter -
>>>>> >normally out over their chest - and then let the bar go in such a way that
>>>>> >it feels light for the lifter. So I take as much weight off as I can, get
>>>>> >the bar to where the lifter wants it, and then let the remainder of the
>>>>> >weight drop onto the lifter gradually - I don't just 'plonk' the bar onto
>>>>> >them.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It can depend on the lifter, but with a 400 or so bench I felt the hand
>>>>> >off could be worth 10-15 lbs for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting Keith. You feel one guy in the middle can be better than
>>>>> one guy at each end?
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the critical stats/factors for one guy doing a hand off to
>>>>> someone benching 380? Should the spotter be able to DL and/or Good
>>>>> Morning a certain amount? My training partner uses the top pin on the
>>>>> bench. I'm 5'10" Should I be standing on an elevated platform?
>>>>> (I was.) If so, how high should the platform be? Exactly how are you
>>>>> positioned to help get the bar over the lifter's chest and then
>>>>> gradually release the remainder of the weight onto the lifter?
>>>>
>>>>I think it isn't the amount lifted, but giving it to the person in the
>>>>right position and then letting the weight onto the person smoothly. The
>>>>two people never give it to you perfectly evenly. I've used two people in
>>>>a meet if the guy in the back was crappy because at least then you have a
>>>>chance to get the bar over your chest. In a meet you want to set up well
>>>>down the bench so you don't worry about bouncing the uprights.
>>>>
>>>>But if you have someone good I think it is more a matter of the person
>>>>being smooth and reading your lift. On the first attempt I try and see how
>>>>the person lifts and remember so I can get the bar into the right groove
>>>>for them. I don't think there is a requirement for being able to do so
>>>>much weight, but obviously a strong guy has an easier time getting the bar
>>>>there.
>>>
>>>I'd like to see an online tutorial, video, or jpg sequence
>>>illustrating the "spot lift."
>>>
>>>What are the biomechanics of this lift? Knees slightly bent, mixed
>>>grip, back slightly forward, gaze always downward, etc.?
>>>
>>>How high should the spotter's platform be? How tall should the
>>>spotter be relative to the pin the bar is resting on?
>>>
>>>How should the bencher and the spotter be positioned relative to each
>>>other so that the spotter doesn't have to move the bar too far forward
>>>to get it into the right position for the controlled descent?
>>>
>>>I'm assuming the bencher is always helping (unracking the bar and
>>>bringing it to the correct position) and that the spotter is not
>>>unracking the bar and bringing it to the correct position and then
>>>gradually lowering it to the bencher's outstretched hands all by
>>>himself.
>>>
>>>I ask these questions because I'm the spotter for a guy who wants to
>>>max out at 275-280 at a meet two weeks away. We work together in
>>>unracking the bar and getting it to the correct position for him, but
>>>his performance is a lot worse when I "help" him. (I'm not
>>>overlooking the fact that he started pausing a split-second longer at
>>>bottom when I started helping him unrack and position the bar. (He
>>>never "bounces" it.) The total time under tension is doubtless
>>>longer. My sense is that I'm not giving him all that much help
>>>unracking the bar and that my assistance is negligible as the bar
>>>moves forward (away from me) to get it into the correct pposition for
>>>him.
>>>
>>>I don't get the "give it to him smoothly" part although that sounds
>>>great. How do you do this and tell when you have and haven't done
>>>this right?
>>
>>Practice makes perfect. You should also have some idea from when
>>people give you a "pick".
>
>Please explain.
Hand off for people and get hand offs from people. Eventually, you'll
get good at it. It isn't rocket science. Just do it.