Folding bike : Trek F400 or F600 ?

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by [email protected], Dec 18, 2005.

  1. Hi,

    I am considering bying a folding bike. The only one available in my
    area (Luxembourg) is a trek but I can't find any decent information
    about it .

    How much does it weight ?
    Is it OK for tall riders ?
    Is the frame stiff ?


    Regards,

    Eric
     
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  2. araby

    araby Guest

  3. There no information about the weight of the bike on their Website.....
     
  4. araby

    araby Guest

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > There no information about the weight of the bike on their Website.....
    >

    Trek don't quote weights, as for most of their models there are differences
    in frame size, specs. etc. At least that's their story:)
    However if you assume 24-26lb, you won't be far off. Why is weight so
    important anyway?
    If you want to expand your knowledge on folders, visit
    http://www.nordicgroup.us/fold/

    Cheers,

    Roy
     
  5. araby wrote:
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > There no information about the weight of the bike on their Website.....
    > >

    > Trek don't quote weights, as for most of their models there are differences
    > in frame size, specs. etc. At least that's their story:)
    > However if you assume 24-26lb, you won't be far off. Why is weight so
    > important anyway?


    Weight is arguably more important for folders than for most bikes.
    You're expected to pick up and carry a folding bike from time to time!

    - Frank Krygowski
     
  6. SMS

    SMS Guest

    [email protected] wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am considering bying a folding bike. The only one available in my
    > area (Luxembourg) is a trek but I can't find any decent information
    > about it .


    Designed and manufactured by Dahon

    > How much does it weight ?


    26.8 pounds

    > Is it OK for tall riders ?


    If it's the same as other Dahon bikes, it should be around 6'4"

    > Is the frame stiff ?


    Yes, but the long steer-tube, the fact that the handlebars are almost
    directly above the wheel, and the long seat post, do affect handling.

    Great thing about a folding bicycle, you can buy it in another country,
    and take it home with you on the train! I'd recommend the Dahon Speed TR.
     
  7. On 18 Dec 2005 10:32:14 -0800, [email protected] said in
    <[email protected]>:

    >I am considering bying a folding bike. The only one available in my
    >area (Luxembourg) is a trek but I can't find any decent information
    >about it .


    For tall riders I recommend the Brompton. Also I recommend it for
    short riders, and for families with both tall and short riders looking
    to share a bike...

    Guy
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  8. [email protected] wrote:
    > araby wrote:
    >
    >><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]
    >>
    >>>There no information about the weight of the bike on their Website.....
    >>>

    >>
    >>Trek don't quote weights, as for most of their models there are differences
    >>in frame size, specs. etc. At least that's their story:)
    >>However if you assume 24-26lb, you won't be far off. Why is weight so
    >>important anyway?

    >
    >
    > Weight is arguably more important for folders than for most bikes.
    > You're expected to pick up and carry a folding bike from time to time!
    >
    > - Frank Krygowski
    >


    Beyond picking it up and carrying it, you might also want to put it in a
    case and ship it as cargo on a plane, train, bus...
     
  9. gds

    gds Guest

    Not to hijach the thread too much but a couple of questions on folding
    bikes from someone who knows nothing about them.
    1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?
    2) What, if any, is the speed discount to a road bike given moderately
    hilly roads?

    Just wondering. I see folks on them doing centuries and such and they
    seem to be struggling more than most. I assume it's the bike more than
    the rider but really don't know.
     
  10. In article <[email protected]>, gds
    ([email protected]) wrote:
    > Not to hijach the thread too much but a couple of questions on folding
    > bikes from someone who knows nothing about them.
    > 1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?
    > 2) What, if any, is the speed discount to a road bike given moderately
    > hilly roads?
    >
    > Just wondering. I see folks on them doing centuries and such and they
    > seem to be struggling more than most. I assume it's the bike more than
    > the rider but really don't know.


    There is a school of thought which reckons that if one wants a bicycle,
    one should buy a bicycle, and if one wants something which folds, one
    should buy a deckchair...

    However, as a rule of thumb, the better it rides, the less well it
    folds. I see a lot of people doing 200 km brevets on Airnimals, for
    example, and they don't seem to be suffering unduly. But that's about
    the /only/ even remotely foldable machine I see out and about on long
    rides. Though I do know that at least one maniac has done the 1400 km
    London-Edinburgh-London on a Brompton, so anything is possible.

    --
    Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
    I'm just a primitive creature of the heath, so pardon my savage
    ignorance.
     
  11. SMS

    SMS Guest

    gds wrote:
    > Not to hijach the thread too much but a couple of questions on folding
    > bikes from someone who knows nothing about them.
    > 1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?


    Yes, depending on the folder. Riding my Brompton is not something I'd
    enjoy for long distances. OTOH, the Dahon Speed TR or the Montague Urban
    are just fine for long rides.

    > 2) What, if any, is the speed discount to a road bike given moderately
    > hilly roads?


    Again, depends on the folder. I wouldn't even try the Brompton on hilly
    roads (well I have done it, but it wasn't enjoyable). OTOH, with a Trek
    F400/F600, Dahon Speed, or Bike Friday, it'd be just fine.
     
  12. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Dave Larrington wrote:

    > However, as a rule of thumb, the better it rides, the less well it
    > folds.


    Well I'd modify that, but saying the better it rides, the less small
    that it folds. There are some excellent folders but they don't fold up
    like a Brompton. I.e. "http://dahon.com/allegro.htm" and
    "http://www.montagueco.com/productdx.html."

    The Bike Friday's, and some of the higher end Dahon's are a good
    compromise between ride quality and folded size, as is the Birdy. While
    I love my Brompton, I have to admit that the ride quality leaves a lot
    to be desired.
     
  13. On 19 Dec 2005 07:46:22 -0800, "gds" <[email protected]> said in
    <[email protected]>:

    >1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?


    Yes, I know at least two people who use Bromptons as their only bikes,
    including one who has completed century rides on his. I have ridden
    mine 50 miles in a day without problems. It is slightly slower than
    my other bikes, due to limited gears.

    The Giant Halfway is also reportedly good, as is the Birdy.

    >2) What, if any, is the speed discount to a road bike given moderately
    >hilly roads?


    About 10% in my experience, depending on gears and pedals.

    Demountables like the Airnimal and Bike Friday offer little if any
    penalty over a non-packing bike, but of course they don't fold in 15
    seconds like the Brompton does.

    Guy
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  14. Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
    > On 19 Dec 2005 07:46:22 -0800, "gds" <[email protected]> said in
    > <[email protected]>:
    >
    > >1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?

    >
    > Yes, I know at least two people who use Bromptons as their only bikes,
    > including one who has completed century rides on his. I have ridden
    > mine 50 miles in a day without problems. It is slightly slower than
    > my other bikes, due to limited gears.
    >
    > The Giant Halfway is also reportedly good, as is the Birdy.


    I've been a bit suspicious of the Halfway, with it's one-sided fork and
    cantilevered hubs. Anybody know about maintaining such things?

    I tend to buy bikes for the long haul - like, 15 years - and would hate
    to hear "Sorry, those hubs aren't made any more. Throw away that
    bike."

    - Frank Krygowski
     
  15. gds

    gds Guest

    Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
    >>
    > >2) What, if any, is the speed discount to a road bike given moderately
    > >hilly roads?

    >
    > About 10% in my experience, depending on gears and pedals.
    >
    > Demountables like the Airnimal and Bike Friday offer little if any
    > penalty over a non-packing bike, but of course they don't fold in 15
    > seconds like the Brompton does.
    >
    >

    That's interesting! Is it thought that the reduced speed is mainly
    attributable to the upright position or gearing or what? I'd think that
    a full size mountain bike has at least a 10% speed discount to a road
    bike. So the foldables are roughly the same.
     
  16. Matt O'Toole

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:40:47 -0800, frkrygow wrote:

    > Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:


    >> On 19 Dec 2005 07:46:22 -0800, "gds" <[email protected]> said in
    >> <[email protected]>:


    >> >1) Are they rideable (comfortably)for distances over 25 miles?


    >> Yes, I know at least two people who use Bromptons as their only bikes,
    >> including one who has completed century rides on his. I have ridden mine
    >> 50 miles in a day without problems. It is slightly slower than my other
    >> bikes, due to limited gears.


    >> The Giant Halfway is also reportedly good, as is the Birdy.


    > I've been a bit suspicious of the Halfway, with it's one-sided fork and
    > cantilevered hubs. Anybody know about maintaining such things?


    > I tend to buy bikes for the long haul - like, 15 years - and would hate to
    > hear "Sorry, those hubs aren't made any more. Throw away that bike."


    I think the same way, but OTOH, there's always some geek hoarding parts
    for almost anything somewhere. I know people still running Suntour gear
    that's been unavailable for years. Helicomatic stuff too.

    What bugs me is when something fails just before a ride that's important
    to me, and I can't get a replacement immediately, like *right now.* LBS
    are often not real sharp about getting on this stuff either. They forget
    to make calls for days, etc. So I prefer to be self-sufficient, and use
    stuff that's widely available (new or used), at non-ream-ya prices.

    Matt O.
     
  17. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Jeff Williams wrote:

    > Beyond picking it up and carrying it, you might also want to put it in a
    > case and ship it as cargo on a plane, train, bus...


    Too bad that the folders tend to be heavier than cumbersomes. A Brompton
    T3, fully equipped, weighs approximately 12.9kg, 28.41b.

    The extra bits and pieces for the folding, and the fact that most are
    steel rather than aluminum contributes to this. Dahon has some folders
    that are around 20 pounds.

    I really like the Brompton for what it is. I can ride to the
    supermarket, fold it up in about eight seconds, and put in into the
    shopping cart. It's a great bike to take in the car or on the train. But
    it isn't a great choice for long rides, or very hilly rides. I would not
    have bought the UK manufactured Brompton unless I was using it daily on
    a train or bus. I bought the Taiwanese Brompton for $235 (four of them
    actually) and they are fine, though not nearly as good as the present
    production of the UK Brompton.
     
  18. Matt O'Toole wrote:
    > I know people still running Suntour gear
    > that's been unavailable for years.


    Heh. I know somebody doing that. Know him well. Because it's me.
    ;-)

    It helps that a buddy of mine gave me a pretty complete SunTour
    sprocket board when he closed his little bike shop!

    - Frank Krygowski
     
  19. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    SMS <[email protected]> writes:

    > I really like the Brompton for what it is. I can ride to the
    > supermarket, fold it up in about eight seconds, and put in into the
    > shopping cart. It's a great bike to take in the car or on the train. But
    > it isn't a great choice for long rides, or very hilly rides.


    For a combination of long/hilly rides and some degree of portability
    for occasional travel, I'd be inclined to investigate and consider
    S&S Couplers.


    cheers,
    Tom

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  20. On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 13:44:44 -0800, [email protected] (Tom Keats)
    said in <[email protected]>:

    >For a combination of long/hilly rides and some degree of portability
    >for occasional travel, I'd be inclined to investigate and consider
    >S&S Couplers.


    Or a Bike Friday. Or maybe a New Series Moulton (drool)

    Guy
    --
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