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Tom Ace
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> Actual measurements of what is the question, and this requires some
> thinking: think twice, measure once. He has done thinking but perhaps
> more is useful. For example, his method ignores flex of BB spindle, hub
> windup, brake flex / front tire compression at horizontal, and other
> such things.
The subject of this thread is "Frame flex and efficiency".
My measurement is of course affected by flex elsewhere as well,
so yes, I got a little off-topic -- but if frame flex can have
a bearing on efficiency, so can flex in the BB spindle and in
other parts. The question of whether good use is made of energy
returned when flexed metal springs back applies to other parts
as well as to the frame.
Of the effects you mentioned, brake flex and front tire
compression are irrelevant to what happens in riding--but
they are not responsible for much of the one-inch pedal
drop I saw in high gear. Sheldon Brown's gain ratio is
just the ticket for getting a handle on this; the high
gear I used has a gain ratio of about 7. That is, the
bike moves forward 7 times as much as the pedal moves.
> He tried with pedal
> at horizontal, it would have been better with pedal vertical (down).
A test with the pedal at 6 o'clock doesn't put tension in the chain.
That test wouldn't be tainted by brake flex, but it could leave out
some of the effects that are relevant in riding.
Tom Ace
> Actual measurements of what is the question, and this requires some
> thinking: think twice, measure once. He has done thinking but perhaps
> more is useful. For example, his method ignores flex of BB spindle, hub
> windup, brake flex / front tire compression at horizontal, and other
> such things.
The subject of this thread is "Frame flex and efficiency".
My measurement is of course affected by flex elsewhere as well,
so yes, I got a little off-topic -- but if frame flex can have
a bearing on efficiency, so can flex in the BB spindle and in
other parts. The question of whether good use is made of energy
returned when flexed metal springs back applies to other parts
as well as to the frame.
Of the effects you mentioned, brake flex and front tire
compression are irrelevant to what happens in riding--but
they are not responsible for much of the one-inch pedal
drop I saw in high gear. Sheldon Brown's gain ratio is
just the ticket for getting a handle on this; the high
gear I used has a gain ratio of about 7. That is, the
bike moves forward 7 times as much as the pedal moves.
> He tried with pedal
> at horizontal, it would have been better with pedal vertical (down).
A test with the pedal at 6 o'clock doesn't put tension in the chain.
That test wouldn't be tainted by brake flex, but it could leave out
some of the effects that are relevant in riding.
Tom Ace