Frame pump recommendations



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Dane Buson

Guest
Robin Hubert <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't like top tube mounts because they get in the way of shouldering the
> bike.


Also, if you happen to be wearing cargo shorts, you might catch the end
of it as you're starting up and tear the verdamnt thing off your mount.
Of course, you destroy the mount in the process. After the second time
I did that I switched to a type that is mounted at the bottle cage
bolts. It's on the downtube, but since I run full fenders I don't have
problems with it getting scummy.

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Donald Gillies

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Zog The Undeniable <[email protected]> writes:

>Kirly wrote:


>> I'm looking for a new, under-the-top-tube frame pump. I'm tired of
>> disposable junk, I want something that will last.


>Truflo hpX, the pump formerly known as Zefal hpX.


The real thing is available at www.xxcycle.com, Zefal HPX. This pump
has been in production, with only minor changes to make it a frame-fit
pump, since 1975.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
 
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Donald Gillies

Guest
"Mike Reed" <[email protected]> writes:

>Ditto. I have 2 HPXs, 12 and 8 years old (MTB and Road).


>My HPX-4 gets a road 700x23c road tire to 90 psi in around 100 strokes.
>Obviously, the longer the pump, the quicker it will go, but you have to
>size for your frame.


It should take only about 20 or 30 strokes to get from zero to 100
psi. It is good to put the pump into "HPX mode" (where the spring for
frame fitting is locked), and then make sure to take the piston to
both ends of the stroke to get maximum inflow. If it still takes 100
strokes, i recommend that you open up the pump and grease the plunger
and also open the thumblock area and grease the rubber o-ring thingie
that adapts to Presta or Schraeder.

HPX pumps are fully rebuildable and all parts are available as spares.
A full selection of parts is available at www.xxcycle.com ( marketing
home of zefal in france. )

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
 
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Alex Rodriguez

Guest
Zefal HPX. You can't go wrong with that pump.
---------------
Alex
 
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Alex Rodriguez

Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

>
>Go with a Topeak Road Morp. With a guage. Great pump.


Yes it is a good pump, but the OP specifically wanted a pump with no gauge.
Also, since it is short it will take more strokes to fill a tire. The nice
thing about this pump is that because of the design, the extra strokes
are not a big deal.
--------------
Alex
 
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Alex Rodriguez

Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

>That's impossible. The Morphe has less stroke volume than the Road
>Master Blaster frame fit pump. How could it be faster?


It isn't. But since the road morphe is like a mini floor pump, you don't
really notice the extra strokes.

>Todson (Topeak) offers repair kits to shops. All parts are replaceable.


Nice folks too. I had the flip down leg on my pump broken by someone I
lent the pump to. I got in touch with Todson to see if they sold that
piece separately. They sent it out to me for no charge. Now I don't lend
my pump to careless folks.
-------------
Alex
 
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Ken C. M.

Guest
Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
>
>>Go with a Topeak Road Morp. With a guage. Great pump.

>
>
> Yes it is a good pump, but the OP specifically wanted a pump with no gauge.
> Also, since it is short it will take more strokes to fill a tire. The nice
> thing about this pump is that because of the design, the extra strokes
> are not a big deal.
> --------------
> Alex
>

Well I don't really know why the OP wouldn't want a built in gauge. As
has been pointed out, with an external gauge you loose a little pressure
when the gauge is applied to the valve stem. It's my experience that a
pump with a gauge is a better choice.

Ken
--
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Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.
 
Király wrote:
> I'm looking for a new, under-the-top-tube frame pump. I'm tired of
> disposable junk, I want something that will last.
>
> These things are a must:
>
> -durability (something made of steel or aluminum would be nice)
> -it can be disassembled, maintained, and repaired with readily available
> spare parts
> -it can pump both presta and schraeder up to 120 psi
> -long enough to fit underneath a 54cm top tube
> -should not take 400 strokes to inflate a tire.
>
> These things would also be nice:
>
> -double barrel (I had a mini frame pump once that had two barrels, use
> both for pumping at low pressure, and shut one off to make pumping at
> high pressure easier)
> -it should NOT come with a built-in pressure gauge
>
> These things are less important:
>
> -weight (I'm not too concerned that what I want might be much heavier
> than a cheapo plastic pump, but I obviously don't want to be lugging a
> floor pump around)
> -cost. I am willing to pay good money for something that is of good
> quality and will last.
>
> Most pumps I see in LBSes these days are these shorty little
> lightweight plastic things. Not for me. The Topeak looks like it might
> fit the bill. Has anyone used one?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> --
> K.
>
> Te tetted e tettetett tettet? Te tettetett tettek tettese, te!


Blackburn FP-1. I put 145 psi into a tubular one day. Had a Zefal in
the 1990s. It failed me on a loaded tour. I'll never own another
unreliable Zefal pump.
 
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AndyMorris

Guest
richard wrote:
> Zefal (Truflo?) HpX or Blackburn. I've not seen it, but I think
> Topeak now makes a frame fit as well. (The Morph is a great pump,
> but it's heavy and the mounting is ugly.)
>
> I'd go with whatever the local shop has and has a good supply of spare
> parts for. On the other hand, the Zefal has been around for like
> 20-25 years, so parts for those should be plentiful.
>


Untill recently I've always used standard LBS type frame fit pumps. The HpX
is in a different class, its not light but its built like a tank and has no
trouble at all getting up to high pressure. If only it had a gauge.


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Tim McTeague

Guest
"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>


>
> Wasn't/ isn't Blackburn owned by Bell? Isn't Bell the co. that turns
> out junk daily w/ lousy customer service? Or am I mistaken?
>
> Regards, John


Yes, Blackburn is owned by Bell. So??? Where do you get the idea that they
turn out junk and have lousy customer service? Or do you just like to throw
bricks from the cover of anonymity? I also have Giro helmets, owned by
Bell, and they have never answered e-mail requests for extra pads. So, just
being under the parent umbrella does not mean they all perform the same.

Tim
 
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Mike Reed

Guest
[email protected] wrote:
> Király wrote:
> > I'm looking for a new, under-the-top-tube frame pump. I'm tired of
> > disposable junk, I want something that will last.
> >
> > These things are a must:
> >
> > -durability (something made of steel or aluminum would be nice)
> > -it can be disassembled, maintained, and repaired with readily available
> > spare parts
> > -it can pump both presta and schraeder up to 120 psi
> > -long enough to fit underneath a 54cm top tube
> > -should not take 400 strokes to inflate a tire.
> >
> > These things would also be nice:
> >
> > -double barrel (I had a mini frame pump once that had two barrels, use
> > both for pumping at low pressure, and shut one off to make pumping at
> > high pressure easier)
> > -it should NOT come with a built-in pressure gauge
> >
> > These things are less important:
> >
> > -weight (I'm not too concerned that what I want might be much heavier
> > than a cheapo plastic pump, but I obviously don't want to be lugging a
> > floor pump around)
> > -cost. I am willing to pay good money for something that is of good
> > quality and will last.
> >
> > Most pumps I see in LBSes these days are these shorty little
> > lightweight plastic things. Not for me. The Topeak looks like it might
> > fit the bill. Has anyone used one?
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > --
> > K.
> >
> > Te tetted e tettetett tettet? Te tettetett tettek tettese, te!

>
> Blackburn FP-1. I put 145 psi into a tubular one day. Had a Zefal in
> the 1990s. It failed me on a loaded tour. I'll never own another
> unreliable Zefal pump.


I had a Blackburn in the 1990s that failed me, and I sent it in under
warranty. It was replaced with a newer model (3 months after the
first). That pump failed a year later.

I will never own another unreliable Blackburn pump.

;)

I think with quality control being what it is, any brand pump can fail
a unit every so often. Two bad Blackburns in a row, and I'm thinking
Zefal wins in my limited testing (3 Zefals, 0 failures. 2 Blackburns, 2
failures).
 
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BCDrums

Guest
Tim McTeague wrote:
> "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>> Wasn't/ isn't Blackburn owned by Bell? Isn't Bell the co. that turns
>> out junk daily w/ lousy customer service? Or am I mistaken?
>>
>> Regards, John

>
> Yes, Blackburn is owned by Bell. So??? Where do you get the idea that they
> turn out junk and have lousy customer service? Or do you just like to throw
> bricks from the cover of anonymity? I also have Giro helmets, owned by
> Bell, and they have never answered e-mail requests for extra pads. So, just
> being under the parent umbrella does not mean they all perform the same.
>
> Tim
>
>

I recently corresponded by email with both Bell and Giro, and received a
response within an hour from each (and both responses were from the same
person!)

BC
 
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Michael Press

Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
"Tim McTeague" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> >

>
> >
> > Wasn't/ isn't Blackburn owned by Bell? Isn't Bell the co. that turns
> > out junk daily w/ lousy customer service? Or am I mistaken?
> >
> > Regards, John

>
> Yes, Blackburn is owned by Bell. So??? Where do you get the idea that they
> turn out junk and have lousy customer service? Or do you just like to throw
> bricks from the cover of anonymity? I also have Giro helmets, owned by
> Bell, and they have never answered e-mail requests for extra pads. So, just
> being under the parent umbrella does not mean they all perform the same.


Blackburn shorts are good.
Blackburn expedition rack: 650 gram, handles 25 kilograms
easily, does not wear out.

--
Michael Press
 
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Alex Rodriguez

Guest
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

>I think with quality control being what it is, any brand pump can fail
>a unit every so often. Two bad Blackburns in a row, and I'm thinking
>Zefal wins in my limited testing (3 Zefals, 0 failures. 2 Blackburns, 2
>failures).


I only recently had a part fail on a Zefal pump, out of 7 Zefal pumps I have
owned over the year. It was on my Zefal double shot. The twist lock lever
on it failed after 15 years. Not bad if you ask me. I could have bought
a replacement head, but I had a Topeak hose and head kit in my parts pile,
so I used that instead.
---------------
Alex
 
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Dave Larrington

Guest
In article <[email protected]>, Alex Rodriguez
([email protected]) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
> >
> >Go with a Topeak Road Morp. With a guage. Great pump.

>
> Yes it is a good pump, but the OP specifically wanted a pump with no gauge.
> Also, since it is short it will take more strokes to fill a tire. The nice
> thing about this pump is that because of the design, the extra strokes
> are not a big deal.


You can always ignore the gauge which, I suspect, is not terribly
accurate anyway. FWIW my first Road Morph didn't have one.

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receipt away.
 
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Mike Reed

Guest
Donald Gillies wrote:
> "Mike Reed" <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Ditto. I have 2 HPXs, 12 and 8 years old (MTB and Road).

>
> >My HPX-4 gets a road 700x23c road tire to 90 psi in around 100 strokes.
> >Obviously, the longer the pump, the quicker it will go, but you have to
> >size for your frame.

>
> It should take only about 20 or 30 strokes to get from zero to 100
> psi.


Boy, that would be nice. I've never seen a high pressure frame pump
that can do that. A decent track pump requires 20+ strokes, how's a
frame pump with 1/5 the chamber volume going to compete?

-Mike
 
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Ken C. M.

Guest
Dave Larrington wrote:

>
>
> You can always ignore the gauge which, I suspect, is not terribly
> accurate anyway. FWIW my first Road Morph didn't have one.
>


It's actually pretty accurate. Certainly accurate enough to get you home
again where you can check it / fill it with a more accurate gauge and a
better floor pump. I have double checked the gauge on my Morp with
several different gauges and none have read differently by more than 3psi.

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.
 
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Dave Larrington

Guest
In article <[email protected]>, Ken C. M.
([email protected]) wrote:

> It's actually pretty accurate. Certainly accurate enough to get you home
> again where you can check it / fill it with a more accurate gauge and a
> better floor pump. I have double checked the gauge on my Morp with
> several different gauges and none have read differently by more than 3psi.


Mine appears to read about 2 bar before I start using it...

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Ken C. M.

Guest
Dave Larrington wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Ken C. M.
> ([email protected]) wrote:
>
>
>>It's actually pretty accurate. Certainly accurate enough to get you home
>>again where you can check it / fill it with a more accurate gauge and a
>>better floor pump. I have double checked the gauge on my Morp with
>>several different gauges and none have read differently by more than 3psi.

>
>
> Mine appears to read about 2 bar before I start using it...
>

Mine is similar, but accurate once you get over that pressure. I have
used mine on medium pressure tires and found it to be accurate at those
pressures (85 to 90psi)

Ken
--
New cycling jersey: $49
new cycling shorts: $39
Not being a slave to the petrol pump: priceless.
 
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Dave

Guest
go for the blackburn frame pump, I broke the top off mine while back, they
sent me a brand new one no questions asked

"Király" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> I'm looking for a new, under-the-top-tube frame pump. I'm tired of
> disposable junk, I want something that will last.
>
> These things are a must:
>
> -durability (something made of steel or aluminum would be nice)
> -it can be disassembled, maintained, and repaired with readily available
> spare parts
> -it can pump both presta and schraeder up to 120 psi
> -long enough to fit underneath a 54cm top tube
> -should not take 400 strokes to inflate a tire.
>
> These things would also be nice:
>
> -double barrel (I had a mini frame pump once that had two barrels, use
> both for pumping at low pressure, and shut one off to make pumping at
> high pressure easier)
> -it should NOT come with a built-in pressure gauge
>
> These things are less important:
>
> -weight (I'm not too concerned that what I want might be much heavier
> than a cheapo plastic pump, but I obviously don't want to be lugging a
> floor pump around)
> -cost. I am willing to pay good money for something that is of good
> quality and will last.
>
> Most pumps I see in LBSes these days are these shorty little
> lightweight plastic things. Not for me. The Topeak looks like it might
> fit the bill. Has anyone used one?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> --
> K.
>
> Te tetted e tettetett tettet? Te tettetett tettek tettese, te!
>