very eloquent, impressive! You might want to think about writing speeches for a living. That was awesome man! lolErzulis Boat said:But if you lick it gently it will be delicious..................for a while.
very eloquent, impressive! You might want to think about writing speeches for a living. That was awesome man! lolErzulis Boat said:But if you lick it gently it will be delicious..................for a while.
QikSmurf said:I think what some people fail to apply to this whole arguement is basic logic.
Imagine for a moment that you were an organisation (let's not mention names) that had the 'magic potion' - the existence of which is often implied but yet to be proven - why on earth would you use it on someone like LA? For one, he is nowhere near his physical peak. He has a very dark cloud over his head in relation to previous testing allegations. He might be good for 1 season (injury permitting).
A logical person would use some young up-and-coming star with an unblemished background that could be molded into the next big thing. I can assure all the LA haters out there of one thing - the peope smart enough to come up with the 'magic potion' are smart enough to know that people like DoctorSpoc are going to come up with the exact scenario that is being publically suggested. Like chess, strategy of any sort is about being a few moves ahead of your opponent. If there was an undetectable PED out there right now, ask yourselves a question - Why would they use it on LA? Do they want to get caught quicker? If anyone is going to find a test for it's existance it will not happen faster that if you were to give it to LA in his comeback year.
Bottom line is that LA will never agree to a re-test of his '99 b sample. Case closed - move on. LA is not using 'conventional' PED because only a pure idiot would make a comeback under these circumstances and scrutiny. That leaves only the wild suggestion involving the 'magic potion'.
If that's the only bullet you have in your anti-LA comeback campaign, you'd better hope he crashes or gets injured because that little gem is never going to get off the ground.
QikSmurf said:Like chess, strategy of any sort is about being a few moves ahead of your opponent. If there was an undetectable PED out there right now, ask yourselves a question - Why would they use it on LA? Do they want to get caught quicker? If anyone is going to find a test for it's existance it will not happen faster that if you were to give it to LA in his comeback year.
QikSmurf said:Bottom line is that LA will never agree to a re-test of his '99 b sample. Case closed - move on. LA is not using 'conventional' PED because only a pure idiot would make a comeback under these circumstances and scrutiny. .
QikSmurf said:If that's the only bullet you have in your anti-LA comeback campaign, you'd better hope he crashes or gets injured because that little gem is never going to get off the ground.
Because he is the one with the money to pay for it. Pretty simple really.QikSmurf said:If there was an undetectable PED out there right now, ask yourselves a question - Why would they use it on LA?
By most people do you mean the contrived minority in this forum?mitosis said:Read doctorspoc's post if you want to know why most people don't want him back.
"Busted for sure this time?" What makes you say that? Do you really think the majority of dopers in the present peloton have been busted?QikSmurf said:So.....I'm LA and I've won 7 TDF. I'm retired now and I know you know about the you-know-what....There's a loop hole in the way the French have handled my wee-wee sample so, just like they can't re-try OJ Simpson, neither can they bust me. Seems simple enough, right? Wrong.
I wake up one morning and decide to give it another shot. Why? Ego. Vanity. Pride. Fame, Money...maybe all of the above. My dilemma is the whole I-know-you-know stuff. I can't use the same stuff again - I'll be busted for sure this time.
There's plenty of stored, sealed, anonymous "b" samples from Tours '00-'02, ie before the EPO test was introduced. Let's retest all of those under proper UCI and WADA protocols and then match them up to the UCI's rider codes and see what we find. Make it a part of the terms for allowing Lance to ride the '09 Tour.As a last word OT....either way, Frenchie, the answer is NO! If I was clean I CERTAINLY wouldn't risk a B-sample to be tested after 10 years. If I was using EPO then the answer would be the same...Go Get F&%$ed!
And that's why most people don't want him back. Cycling is finally entering the Renaissance; Lance and company are part of the Dark Ages.For all I care...call me Pharmstrong and come catch me!
QikSmurf said:So.....I'm LA and I've won 7 TDF. I'm retired now and I know you know about the you-know-what....There's a loop hole in the way the French have handled my wee-wee sample so, just like they can't re-try OJ Simpson, neither can they bust me. Seems simple enough, right? Wrong.
QikSmurf said:.
I wake up one morning and decide to give it another shot. Why? Ego. Vanity. Pride. Fame, Money...maybe all of the above. .
QikSmurf said:No way....not in a million years.
As a last word OT....either way, Frenchie, the answer is NO! If I was clean I CERTAINLY wouldn't risk a B-sample to be tested after 10 years. If I was using EPO then the answer would be the same...Go Get F&%$ed!
For all I care...call me Pharmstrong and come catch me! I'm going for #8 and I'm either using or I'm not.....it ain't going to change people's opinion by letting the French find what is obviously (now) in my '99 B-sample.
This shows just how weak your arguments are.doctorSpoc said:Merckx gets somewhat of a pass
QikSmurf said:By most people do you mean the contrived minority in this forum?
No offence, my neighbourly friend, but 'most people' is an overused phrase which rarely stands up to the literal meaning.
FWIW, I have read the good doctor's post and he makes a very good argument. Unfortunatley for me I'm not like 'most people'......I do want him back!
No_Positives said:This shows just how weak your arguments are.
Dummy, you have a personal dislike for Lance, so therefore you think he is a doper. That is flawed thinking. The facts are that he is the most tested athlete in history, and has passed every one. Even your doped-up hero Merckx agrees that Lance is clean.doctorSpoc said:what argument(s) are you talking about, and how does what i wrote show they are weak?
Merckx doped, everyone knows this and he doesn't deny it, he's also a likeable guy... everyone at the time was doing what he was doing and he rose to the top... people continue to like him and respect him...
Armstrong is a doper everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this... but he denies it to the high heavens... like Merckx everyone around him was also doping and he rose to the top too... but he's also an arrogant a-hole... many people with limited knowledge of professional cycling really like him... these people really don't understand that he really has doped... lots of people, usually those with more intimate knowledge of pro cycling detest him... they understand he doped, understand that he's unrepentant and even screams his innocence, and they understand that he's an a-hole..
my argument is that in general people recognize someone as arrogant, unrepentant, a-hole they don't like them... if you disagree with that argument, that's fine.
You are such an idiot for believing PR.No_Positives said:Dummy, you have a personal dislike for Lance, so therefore you think he is a doper. That is flawed thinking. The facts are that he is the most tested athlete in history, and has passed every one. Even your doped-up hero Merckx agrees that Lance is clean.
More than Barack Hussein Obama.earth_dweller said:Let me guess, you also believe that Palin is well versed in international politics.
Even in US Lance was very less tested than Marion Jones....No_Positives said:Dummy, you have a personal dislike for Lance, so therefore you think he is a doper. That is flawed thinking. The facts are that he is the most tested athlete in history, and has passed every one. Even your doped-up hero Merckx agrees that Lance is clean.
No_Positives said:More than Barack Hussein Obama.
No_Positives said:Dummy, you have a personal dislike for Lance, so therefore you think he is a doper. That is flawed thinking. The facts are that he is the most tested athlete in history, and has passed every one. Even your doped-up hero Merckx agrees that Lance is clean.
Because he treated everyone as fool, morons,... he accused others as responsible of his problems...he excluded journalists...QikSmurf said:So which is it then? As a group - do we hate LA because he dopes or do we not care whether he does, did or wanted to?
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