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Ride-A-Lot

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MattB wrote:
> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
>> GeeDubb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Giant Yukon MTB Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>>>
>>>> So JD, what do you do to keep in shape over the winter months?
>>>>
>>>> MTB Girl
>>>>
>>>
>>> He has about a zillion bikes and he rides them. Souther California
>>> doesn't get all that cold....kind of like here in Phoenix though it
>>> is down in the upper 30's right now.....brrrrrr
>>>
>>> Gary

>>
>>
>> Oh, 30's. Oooh! So bad.
>>
>> Try a freaking blizzard here. 20F, 40 mph wind, and 24" of snow
>> expected. Skiing should be awesome this weekend!
>>
>> DPS was closed, so my office was. Of course, that was after I got
>> there and the lights were out. Looks like some nice sleeping weather
>> for the rest of the morning.
>>

>
> Ooh, sounds rough! ;)
> Actually 2' in the city is a huge mess. We're pretty good at dealing
> with cold and snow here but the front range always amazes me with how
> paralyzed they become after a good winter storm.


Doesn't bother me much. I'm used to driving in the east coast ice
storms. This stuff is just a fluffy carpet.

>
> Are the enjoyable spin class views out the window or of the other
> participants?


At the risk of upsetting Penny, other participants. Let's just say I'm
out numbered 8 to 1. :)

>
> I almost bailed on work to ski Monarch today but they only have 9" from
> this storm so far. It's supposed to keep up today so I think I'll slack
> off work tomorrow for (hopefully) an even bigger day.
>
> MmmmmPowder.
>
> Matt


I'm trying to think about how I will do in it over the weekend. Powder
doesn't agree with my skiing skills. It looks as if you really need to
do the steep stuff in order to move.


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MattB

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Ride-A-Lot wrote:
> MattB wrote:

<snip>
>
>
> At the risk of upsetting Penny, other participants. Let's just say I'm
> out numbered 8 to 1. :)
>


I figured as much :), and I think we may have chased Penny away, at
least for a while.

>>
>> I almost bailed on work to ski Monarch today but they only have 9"
>> from this storm so far. It's supposed to keep up today so I think I'll
>> slack off work tomorrow for (hopefully) an even bigger day.
>>
>> MmmmmPowder.
>>
>> Matt

>
>
> I'm trying to think about how I will do in it over the weekend. Powder
> doesn't agree with my skiing skills. It looks as if you really need to
> do the steep stuff in order to move.
>
>


Do a powder clinic. It's different technique from packed or groomed
snow, but not necessarily hard. One you get it it's amazing and
effortless compared to skiing firmer snow. Before you get it, it's
frustrating and exhausting.
The quiet, bouncy, weightless sensation is hard to beat. If it's really
deep and you keep your bindings set pretty low, you should invest in
some kind of powder cord to help find skis when they come off. They can
"submarine" and go pretty far under the snow in a good crash. I've used
a roll of hunter orange tape to make a couple of 3' cords that I just
tied to part of the binding, like the base of a brake, and then tucked
the slack into my pant leg. You can also buy powder cords, but the tape
seems to work about as well and is way cheaper. Either way, it's way
better than digging for your ski while everyone else is whooping it up
and tracking everything out. I've been there (with white skis, no less)!

Matt
 
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daddy

Guest
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:35:37 -0700, GeeDubb wrote:

>
> "Giant Yukon MTB Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>> So JD, what do you do to keep in shape over the winter months?
>>
>> MTB Girl
>>

>
> He has about a zillion bikes and he rides them. Souther California doesn't
> get all that cold....kind of like here in Phoenix though it is down in the
> upper 30's right now.....brrrrrr
>
> Gary


Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
out of the year. :)
 
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daddy

Guest
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:32:13 -0700, Ride-A-Lot wrote:

> MattB wrote:
>> Ride-A-Lot wrote:
>>> GeeDubb wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Giant Yukon MTB Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>>>>
>>>>> So JD, what do you do to keep in shape over the winter months?
>>>>>
>>>>> MTB Girl
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He has about a zillion bikes and he rides them. Souther California
>>>> doesn't get all that cold....kind of like here in Phoenix though it
>>>> is down in the upper 30's right now.....brrrrrr
>>>>
>>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, 30's. Oooh! So bad.
>>>
>>> Try a freaking blizzard here. 20F, 40 mph wind, and 24" of snow
>>> expected. Skiing should be awesome this weekend!
>>>
>>> DPS was closed, so my office was. Of course, that was after I got
>>> there and the lights were out. Looks like some nice sleeping weather
>>> for the rest of the morning.
>>>

>>
>> Ooh, sounds rough! ;)
>> Actually 2' in the city is a huge mess. We're pretty good at dealing
>> with cold and snow here but the front range always amazes me with how
>> paralyzed they become after a good winter storm.

>
> Doesn't bother me much. I'm used to driving in the east coast ice
> storms. This stuff is just a fluffy carpet.
>
>>
>> Are the enjoyable spin class views out the window or of the other
>> participants?

>
> At the risk of upsetting Penny, other participants. Let's just say I'm
> out numbered 8 to 1. :)


Love those odds.... :)


>
>>
>> I almost bailed on work to ski Monarch today but they only have 9" from
>> this storm so far. It's supposed to keep up today so I think I'll slack
>> off work tomorrow for (hopefully) an even bigger day.
>>
>> MmmmmPowder.
>>
>> Matt

>
> I'm trying to think about how I will do in it over the weekend. Powder
> doesn't agree with my skiing skills. It looks as if you really need to
> do the steep stuff in order to move.
 
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MattB

Guest
daddy wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 08:35:37 -0700, GeeDubb wrote:
>
>
>>"Giant Yukon MTB Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
>>
>>>So JD, what do you do to keep in shape over the winter months?
>>>
>>>MTB Girl
>>>

>>
>>He has about a zillion bikes and he rides them. Souther California doesn't
>>get all that cold....kind of like here in Phoenix though it is down in the
>>upper 30's right now.....brrrrrr
>>
>>Gary

>
>
> Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
> We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
> out of the year. :)


Wow, it must be hard for you.
I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which is
an old attic) and at home we just open a window.

It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days because
it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is when it
gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).

Matt
 
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daddy

Guest

>>
>> Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
>> We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
>> out of the year. :)

>
> Wow, it must be hard for you.
> I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
> don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which is
> an old attic) and at home we just open a window.
>
> It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days because
> it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is when it
> gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).
>
> Matt


A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
per year. Trade offs eh? :)
 
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MattB

Guest
daddy wrote:
>>>Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
>>>We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
>>>out of the year. :)

>>
>>Wow, it must be hard for you.
>>I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
>>don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which is
>>an old attic) and at home we just open a window.
>>
>>It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days because
>>it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is when it
>>gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).
>>
>>Matt

>
>
> A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
> July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
> and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
> per year. Trade offs eh? :)
>


Yeah, and I bet the skiing isn't that great there either!

Matt
 
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Shawn

Guest
daddy wrote:
>>> Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
>>> We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
>>> out of the year. :)

>> Wow, it must be hard for you.
>> I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
>> don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which is
>> an old attic) and at home we just open a window.
>>
>> It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days because
>> it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is when it
>> gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).
>>
>> Matt

>
> A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
> July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
> and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
> per year. Trade offs eh? :)
>

I dunno, gas bill in Gunrack's not gonna be cheap. Although Matt's new
digs are probably pretty efficient.
16" in Looserville and still snowing *hard*. Don't remember where the
XC ski wax is since the move...Damn, hope it's not still in Salida!


Shawn
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Guest
Per Giant Yukon MTB Girl:
> I don't do well with stairmasters; issues with lower back pain.


I've been having that lately too.

My theory is that it's hamstring tightness. Since I've been paddling hard for
an hour or two several days a week, mine have gotten noticeably shorter/tighter.

Years ago, on long walks, it used to hurt until I'd stop, bend over, and stretch
my hamstrings out for a few minutes.

There was a time when I could put both palms flat on the floor - and during that
time, I had zero problems with low back muscle pain.


Been working on the hamstrings lately, but it takes awhile for those things to
stretch out..... Time will tell.
--
PeteCresswell
 
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daddy

Guest
>>
>> A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
>> July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
>> and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
>> per year. Trade offs eh? :)
>>

>
> Yeah, and I bet the skiing isn't that great there either!
>
> Matt


As long as they don't "salt" the roads, I wouldn't mind
the snow. Just got so spoiled with the cars practically lasting
forever here.
 
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MattB

Guest
daddy wrote:
>>>A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
>>>July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
>>>and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
>>>per year. Trade offs eh? :)
>>>

>>
>>Yeah, and I bet the skiing isn't that great there either!
>>
>>Matt

>
>
> As long as they don't "salt" the roads, I wouldn't mind
> the snow. Just got so spoiled with the cars practically lasting
> forever here.


Here (Western Colorado) they don't, but they did back in Michigan when I
lived here.
I just get cracked windshields all the time from all the dirt and rocks
on the road. B\Still better than the whole car disintegrating!

Matt
 
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MattB

Guest
Shawn wrote:
> daddy wrote:
>
>>>> Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
>>>> We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
>>>> out of the year. :)
>>>
>>> Wow, it must be hard for you.
>>> I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
>>> don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which
>>> is an old attic) and at home we just open a window.
>>>
>>> It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days
>>> because it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is
>>> when it gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).
>>>
>>> Matt

>>
>>
>> A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
>> July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
>> and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
>> per year. Trade offs eh? :)
>>

> I dunno, gas bill in Gunrack's not gonna be cheap. Although Matt's new
> digs are probably pretty efficient.
> 16" in Looserville and still snowing *hard*. Don't remember where the
> XC ski wax is since the move...Damn, hope it's not still in Salida!
>
>
> Shawn


I could send you some...

The gas bill was bad in the old house, over $300 in the colder months.
So far the new place is WAY better in that respect. I guess building
techniques have come a long way in the last 90 years or so.

Matt
 
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JD

Guest
MattB wrote:
> Shawn wrote:
> > daddy wrote:
> >
> >>>> Had a frost delay with my morning tee time. Of all the injustices...
> >>>> We turned on the gas heater this morning. Generally run it 2 or 3 days
> >>>> out of the year. :)
> >>>
> >>> Wow, it must be hard for you.
> >>> I'm lucky if I can leave my heat off for three months a year, but I
> >>> don't pay a cent for A/C! We have a swamp cooler at the office (which
> >>> is an old attic) and at home we just open a window.
> >>>
> >>> It's been relatively warm (in the 20's) the last couple of days
> >>> because it's been snowing. When the snow stops and the sky clears is
> >>> when it gets genuinely cold (like -37 F last year).
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >> A/C is another point... I'd trade my A/C bill to anyone. June,
> >> July, and August are a b*tch. Dual A/C units, one for the upstairs
> >> and downstairs. We generally run the A/C for about 5 to 5 1/2 months
> >> per year. Trade offs eh? :)
> >>

> > I dunno, gas bill in Gunrack's not gonna be cheap. Although Matt's new
> > digs are probably pretty efficient.
> > 16" in Looserville and still snowing *hard*. Don't remember where the
> > XC ski wax is since the move...Damn, hope it's not still in Salida!
> >
> >
> > Shawn

>
> I could send you some...
>
> The gas bill was bad in the old house, over $300 in the colder months.
> So far the new place is WAY better in that respect. I guess building
> techniques have come a long way in the last 90 years or so.
>
> Matt



Does the new place have as cool of a "dewdroom" as the old one had?

JD
 
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Mamba

Guest
Speaking of winter rides, I recall some of my last rides near Ottawa in late
1997. The "big" ice storm hit that knocked out power over two provinces and
several states in the northeast.

It started with several inches of fresh snow on top of the decent base we
already had. Then it turned to freezing rain and stayed that way for days.
When it ended, there were millions of trees snapped from ice load, and
between one and 4 inches of ice coating almost every surface. After a
couple of days, a dusting of now came down and gave some traction to the
glossy surfaces.

We grabbed our bikes and rode everywhere we could, including several areas
that had never been accessible before. We weren't doing any trail damage,
or conflicting with any other trail users, so we had pretty much carte
blanche to go anywhere in the forests - all on a smooth hard surface. Just
had to avoid deadfall, which we even helped to clear so authorities could
get in to assess damages.

It was eerily beautiful and silent, but tragic too. Just in our area
probably one of every ten trees was snapped, and many others were bent
double, so no telling what their long-term prospects were.

Cheers
Gary


"Giant Yukon MTB Girl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> OK I know it's the end of the season, but I'm trying to get rid of some
> stuff and have some space for my Festivus Tree
> Besides, I'm still riding, aren't you?
>
> On Dec 19, 10:42 am, MattB <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Giant Yukon MTB Girl wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Serious enquiries only pleasePerfect for the Homeless Psychopath on
>> > your Festivus list!

>>
>> Matt

>
 
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GeeDubb

Guest
"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I could send you some...
>>
>> The gas bill was bad in the old house, over $300 in the colder months.
>> So far the new place is WAY better in that respect. I guess building
>> techniques have come a long way in the last 90 years or so.
>>
>> Matt

>
>
> Does the new place have as cool of a "dewdroom" as the old one had?
>
> JD
>


The whole pad is a dewdroom. A really nice place. If the garage is heated
(can't remember) then that could be one heck of a dewdroom.

Gary
 
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Giant Yukon MTB Girl

Guest
On Dec 20, 5:57 pm, "(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Per Giant Yukon MTB Girl:
>
> > I don't do well with stairmasters; issues with lower back pain.I've been having that lately too.

>
> My theory is that it's hamstring tightness. Since I've been paddling hard for
> an hour or two several days a week, mine have gotten noticeably shorter/tighter.
>
> Years ago, on long walks, it used to hurt until I'd stop, bend over, and stretch
> my hamstrings out for a few minutes.
>
> There was a time when I could put both palms flat on the floor - and during that
> time, I had zero problems with low back muscle pain.
>
> Been working on the hamstrings lately, but it takes awhile for those things to
> stretch out..... Time will tell.
> --
> PeteCresswell


I just had my legs checked out by a doc at St. Mikes in Toronto. He
says I have unusually great muscle tone and strength and especially
flexibility. He seriously could not believe I was off ill a short time
ago nor that I'm still in constant chronic pain (long story, surgery
leading to pain leading to fatigue, etc)

During the testing, he finds I'm actually hyperflexible, can touch way
past toes, so it's not the hamstrings. However, he did mention the
pain points on the knees lead him to chrondramalacia (Sp?) of the
patella, commonly referred to I believe in slang as runner's knee, so I
need more work on the quads done to stabilize the area. Thus, back
into the saddle and even more so. Have lost over 20 pounds as a result
and needed to, feel better than ever. Just have to stay away from
running and concentrate on the quads instead.

Then he's impressed with how often and far I can go on the bike (still
considering the constant pain) and told him my medication so I can at
least work through my day. He was floored, said he would be passed out
with that much pain to have to take that much. (I'm used to that one.)
But I will admit, he was a gentleman and an extremely cute one at
that! I told the girls back at the office and they're all checking
their knee situation so they can maybe get referred!

Anyways, at the end of our exam, he tells me to look up Andrew Pruitt
website to get fitted properly for my bike and so I tell him the guys
at my bike shop fitted me well and I actually got the inside trainer so
use the same bike. He was impressed and happy to see I was taking
charge of my health and doing something rather than what most other
patients do suffering my condition for the rest of their life: stay
home and do next to nothing. I'm still young so I want to live
(especially since getting rid of the controller) so I'm appreciating
every second that I can walk talk breath bike and smile! Hmmm, I think
maybe the doctor may have given me his contact info on the website
paper he gave me, is that a hint to contact him? Too bad, I got 3
dates lined up this weekend (Christmas??) and another 3 next week.
Gotta love being single again!

BTW Matt & JD: absolutely no mental issues at all with me, none in the
family either, just normal reactions after living with controlling
lying cheating trolls who spend too much of my money while I stupidly
sign loans for them. I got lots of time on the bike to think about my
big lessons learned while I count my blessings I didn't marry the guy
or have kids with him - and that I got rid of him for the last time!

MTB Girl
 
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GeeDubb

Guest
"(PeteCresswell)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]
> Per Giant Yukon MTB Girl:
>> I don't do well with stairmasters; issues with lower back pain.

>
> I've been having that lately too.
>
> My theory is that it's hamstring tightness. Since I've been paddling
> hard for
> an hour or two several days a week, mine have gotten noticeably
> shorter/tighter.
>
> Years ago, on long walks, it used to hurt until I'd stop, bend over, and
> stretch
> my hamstrings out for a few minutes.
>
> There was a time when I could put both palms flat on the floor - and
> during that
> time, I had zero problems with low back muscle pain.
>
>
> Been working on the hamstrings lately, but it takes awhile for those
> things to
> stretch out..... Time will tell.
> --
> PeteCresswell


Yup, like all my 46 years of living.

Gary
 
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Ride-A-Lot

Guest
Giant Yukon MTB Girl wrote:
> I just had my legs checked out by a doc at St. Mikes in Toronto. He
> says I have unusually great muscle tone and strength and especially
> flexibility. He seriously could not believe I was off ill a short time
> ago nor that I'm still in constant chronic pain (long story, surgery
> leading to pain leading to fatigue, etc)
>
> During the testing, he finds I'm actually hyperflexible, can touch way
> past toes, so it's not the hamstrings. However, he did mention the
> pain points on the knees lead him to chrondramalacia (Sp?) of the
> patella, commonly referred to I believe in slang as runner's knee, so I
> need more work on the quads done to stabilize the area. Thus, back
> into the saddle and even more so. Have lost over 20 pounds as a result
> and needed to, feel better than ever. Just have to stay away from
> running and concentrate on the quads instead.
>
> Then he's impressed with how often and far I can go on the bike (still
> considering the constant pain) and told him my medication so I can at
> least work through my day. He was floored, said he would be passed out
> with that much pain to have to take that much. (I'm used to that one.)
> But I will admit, he was a gentleman and an extremely cute one at
> that! I told the girls back at the office and they're all checking
> their knee situation so they can maybe get referred!
>
> Anyways, at the end of our exam, he tells me to look up Andrew Pruitt
> website to get fitted properly for my bike and so I tell him the guys
> at my bike shop fitted me well and I actually got the inside trainer so
> use the same bike. He was impressed and happy to see I was taking
> charge of my health and doing something rather than what most other
> patients do suffering my condition for the rest of their life: stay
> home and do next to nothing. I'm still young so I want to live
> (especially since getting rid of the controller) so I'm appreciating
> every second that I can walk talk breath bike and smile! Hmmm, I think
> maybe the doctor may have given me his contact info on the website
> paper he gave me, is that a hint to contact him? Too bad, I got 3
> dates lined up this weekend (Christmas??) and another 3 next week.
> Gotta love being single again!
>
> BTW Matt & JD: absolutely no mental issues at all with me, none in the
> family either, just normal reactions after living with controlling
> lying cheating trolls who spend too much of my money while I stupidly
> sign loans for them. I got lots of time on the bike to think about my
> big lessons learned while I count my blessings I didn't marry the guy
> or have kids with him - and that I got rid of him for the last time!
>
> MTB Girl
>


Hmmm... For some reason I feel the need to psychologically profile you,
though I am not a psychologist. You have a serious self-fetish. If
your here looking for more dates, you won't find them. Well, maybe
Libby might be interested. Just tell him your name is Virginia.

If you are finding these "dates" on the Internet (six in two weeks
sounds like it), then you are delusional to think that more than two of
them will be even semi-normal.

In my final opinion, try too hard and you end up losing your balance.


--
o-o-o-o Dr. Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws
 
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Raptor

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Giant Yukon MTB Girl wrote:
> Pete, I don't do well with stairmasters; issues with lower back pain.
> Therefore the bike is the only thing for me really.
> I know $400 is alot, but I think it's well worth the $$ in the long run
> - come Spring I'll be right as rain!
> I'll be watching movies or listening to my new mp3 player while I pedal
> away.
>
> So JD, what do you do to keep in shape over the winter months?
>
> MTB Girl


Core work can help with the back. I "suffered" from occasional lower
back discomfort until I learned a bunch of core exercises a few years
ago. But if you have an actual injury, you may be sort-of screwed.

Riding indoors alone takes a special kind of masochism. Spin classes are
great for maintaining some level of conditioning and there's enough
distraction to make them tolerable, possibly fun. But given that most of
them are an hour long, they keep you in shape to ride for about an hour.
Every Spring, those longer rides are just as hard as last year.

So, if you want more and have snow, go snowshoeing or x-country skiing.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.
 
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Raptor

Guest
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Giant Yukon MTB Girl:
>> I don't do well with stairmasters; issues with lower back pain.

>
> I've been having that lately too.
>
> My theory is that it's hamstring tightness. Since I've been paddling hard for
> an hour or two several days a week, mine have gotten noticeably shorter/tighter.
>
> Years ago, on long walks, it used to hurt until I'd stop, bend over, and stretch
> my hamstrings out for a few minutes.
>
> There was a time when I could put both palms flat on the floor - and during that
> time, I had zero problems with low back muscle pain.
>
>
> Been working on the hamstrings lately, but it takes awhile for those things to
> stretch out..... Time will tell.


That's a well-known cause. Weak abs are the flip side. Yoga works,
pilates too.

--
Lynn Wallace

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.