here it is finally, disappointed with the 1499.00 price point.
http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/08/garmin-brings-power-to-the-people-with-vector-.html
http://garmin.blogs.com/pr/2011/08/garmin-brings-power-to-the-people-with-vector-.html
Originally Posted by Felt_Rider .
I use Look Keo pedals, but I am surprised they did not go with Speedplay or go to the market with both pedal styles. Quarq has the option of SRAM or FSA for the crank set.
I thought price would be more enticing, but this is suggested retail so it will be interesting of the cost once it starts to show up on eBay or online sellers. I was holding out on this product to jump up to ANT+ but got tired of waiting so I just got a new PT wheel. Glad I did and for a lot less. Plus it will be a while before we see all the other more important details like reliability, accuracy and calibration.
The one thing that caught my attention has more to do with the Edge 800 & 500 and that TSS / IF / NP will be added in a new firmware update this year. I was thinking about upgrading my 705 to the 800. I will sell the 705 to one of my friends that is not interested in training with power and just needs GPS mapping.
I am still getting used to using the 705 for the head unit. I was so used to using the little yellow Cervo that on Saturday's ride I forgot to hit the timer start after a store stop (since you cannot use autopause) and lost 10 miles worth of data. ARGH!!!!!
I later read from one person to avoid this issue just leave the unit running and then cut the data from WKO.
He also advised that if one stops for 1 to 3 minutes leave it running, but if you stop for up to 10 minutes or more stop the timer.
I am not sure what is the right protocol. For the Cervo the PT hub goes to sleep and the unit stops collecting data. From there it all seems to work out okay in WKO, but with the Edge you have to manage this differently. It has not become habit for me yet.
Originally Posted by alienator .
It's unlikely the Speedplay folks will take part in a pedal based power system. They are pretty damned protective--possibly even paranoid--about Speedplay stuff. No matter which pedal system Garmin selected, there were going to be users of other pedals that would be disappointed.
The best hope for Speedplay users (in terms of pedal based power measurement) will be the Brim Brothers system, if and when it makes it to market.Originally Posted by Mansmind .
Fair point, I suppose I got my hopes up a little because the first time I read about the product (before Garmin purchased it) it was being developed to fit in the spindle of a speedplay.. I was pretty excited
Originally Posted by alienator .
The best hope for Speedplay users (in terms of pedal based power measurement) will be the Brim Brothers system, if and when it makes it to market.
http://www.brimbrothers.com/
I'm looking forward to reading reviews of the Vector in actual use. It will also be interesting to see what Brim's final product form will be. What they showed at the bike shows was in a highly developed state, and they hinted at a wireless system that would, in this case, rid the system of the wire from the cleat to the sending unit on top of the shoe.Originally Posted by Felt_Rider .
Vector update from a popular blog reviewer http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/09/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know.html
That will be interesting. I was thinking today the potential advantage for some power users that travel or do spin classes.Originally Posted by alienator .
I'm looking forward to reading reviews of the Vector in actual use. It will also be interesting to see what Brim's final product form will be. What they showed at the bike shows was in a highly developed state, and they hinted at a wireless system that would, in this case, rid the system of the wire from the cleat to the sending unit on top of the shoe.
Originally Posted by alienator .
I'm looking forward to reading reviews of the Vector in actual use. It will also be interesting to see what Brim's final product form will be. What they showed at the bike shows was in a highly developed state, and they hinted at a wireless system that would, in this case, rid the system of the wire from the cleat to the sending unit on top of the shoe.
Well, there's little price advantage given Garmin's stated price; however, it's a bit early to know what the real price will be and how much that price will drop over time.Originally Posted by sitzmark .
Not sure how Brim would eliminate the wire between the cleat and sending unit. For wireless, the cleat needs to have a radio sending unit and that needs to be powered in some way. Too small of a battery/radio to build into the stress shim?? Seems like it would require an external module on the bottom of the shoe also. Add to that the need to charge the data logger/sending unit battery on the top of the shoe and it would make for a complicated approach. However, I can see future integration of a "wire tunnel" built into shoes to accommodate the connection of the two modules (cleat and sender).
Waited for the specifics of the Vector for a long time, but it is a bust. Unless one wants to use a specific pedal for road, cross, and mtb, there isn't any real advantage. Easier to transfer bike-to-bike than a power crank for sure, but has the same limitations as a hub/wheel. No price advantage either. So fits none of my needs. If Brim can expand their breadth of cleat options (road/cross/mtb), that is clearly the winning platform ... if it works. Working prototype at Interbike suggested they are well on their way.
I don't think the Vector's price is determine by launch positioning. The early price estimates were from MetriGear. On top of that Garmin had to add the cost of buying MetriGear, completing the design, and coming to an agreement with Exustar (I'm sure neither Exustar or Look--for Polar--are in it without financial compensation). To top that off, the power meter market is a niche market, so Garmin has to be sure to make enough to cover its costs, especially if their gambit goes tits up. I think in a year, the price will come down, and I think it's likely the real cost on the street will be lower anyway.Originally Posted by sitzmark .
Agreed - Look and Speedplay are the obvious road play. Have read very few posts/comments here or elsewhere that suggested existing roadie power users were intending to switch from crank meters to pedal. PT users users seem to feel the same. Because of the announced MSRP prospective PT users haven't been expressing an overwhelming interest to jump into the game. (Again just gut assessment of general forum/review comments). A sub $1,000 power solution had captured a lot of attention to grow the power base.. Lots of hope for a $500-$750 option - seemingly quenched by launch positioning.
MTB and cx stays with existing power options until a company addressed their mud shedding needs. So what does a pedal/cleat based option do to expand the power market?? Or is it primarily a play to steal share? Will be interesting to see if the new form factor(s) have a more robust market value than opiners have expressed. Presumably Garmin and Brim have done their due diligence (and I haven't), so they may have this pegged. We'll see.
I'd be interested in left-right power info, but it's not a reason why overall pre-injury power can't be reclaimed/improved upon even if you have an "imbalance".Originally Posted by alienator .
I do think left/right power measurement will be useful for people who've had injury to one leg in that it'll help in training the weak leg. That's one reason why I'm interested. In order to repair a broken hip I had, the arthropod had to make a 6" incision at my hip, which went all the way to the femur, through the lateral aspect of my upper quadricep. That leg is noticeably weaker than the other, and I'd like to quantify the difference in order to gauge improvement.
You're absolutely right, and I didn't mean to imply that a power meter w/ R/L readings is needed to correct an imbalance. As a science guy and geek, having that R/L balance reading would be tasty and another set of data to possibly use. As professors are fond of saying, that extra data doesn't have to go into the dissertation......in this case, the metaphorical dissertation. In that respect, power meters aren't necessary, but they've certainly shown themselves to be useful. Time will tell whether R/L readings are more than chum tossed into the waters of the market by ad people.Originally Posted by Alex Simmons .
I'd be interested in left-right power info, but it's not a reason why overall pre-injury power can't be reclaimed/improved upon even if you have an "imbalance".
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