George says...

[Bart Van Hoorebeeck]

"Sandy" <[email protected]> schreef > >
> > Perhaps he was actually the strongest.
> >
> Nonetheless, he wasn't first
> --

And another failure for intercultural humor.


Sandy, didn't you see George when crossing the line? Thats was The Headshake
of the virtual winner.

 

[amit]

B. Lafferty wrote:
> I had the impression from
> watching the little bit of it that was on OLN that the racing Sunday
was
> more like before 1990. More suffering, ....

dumbass, i don't know how you and the magnificent kunich have the
ability to tell this from the TV coverage, but whatever. So you're
saying doping makes racing less selective ?

> a more believable solo win than when Tafi simply rode away
> as he did.

Now you're saying doping makes racing more selective ?

Anyways, Tafi had Nardello in the group, so he had a tactical edge.
There were two T-mobile this time around but they weren't strong
enough.

Boonen on the other hand was gapping everyone with his moves, ie. he
was a lot stronger than the rest -- so I don't see what makes his solo
win "more belivable". I think it's just your juice goggles.

 

[B. Lafferty]

"amit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> B. Lafferty wrote:
>> I had the impression from
>> watching the little bit of it that was on OLN that the racing Sunday
> was
>> more like before 1990. More suffering, ....
>
> dumbass, i don't know how you and the magnificent kunich have the
> ability to tell this from the TV coverage, but whatever. So you're
> saying doping makes racing less selective ?

Shithead, that's right.
>
>> a more believable solo win than when Tafi simply rode away
>> as he did.
>
> Now you're saying doping makes racing more selective ?

No. Think about Museeuw in 2002. We have a good idea now how unnatural that
was. Some guys often got the mix down better than others. Just ask Mr. 60%
or get a ouji board out and ask Marco.

>
> Anyways, Tafi had Nardello in the group, so he had a tactical edge.
> There were two T-mobile this time around but they weren't strong
> enough.

Nardello didn't mean **** in that group.
>
> Boonen on the other hand was gapping everyone with his moves, ie. he
> was a lot stronger than the rest -- so I don't see what makes his solo
> win "more belivable". I think it's just your juice goggles.

Boonen wasn't gaping everyone with his moves. PVP had Boonen digging deep on
at least one occasion. He tested the waters on the Bosberg but didn't
(couldn't?) get away. His attack at the end was very well timed after and
attack by PVP before PVP could recover. PVP did chase hard and came fairly
close to catching Boonen but that initial gap was too much to close himself.

Given what we know about the extent of doping in the peloton, it would be
easy to simply say they were all juiced in the Ronde and that some had
better juice. But time will tell whether or not the racing is different and
more interesting. I think/hope it will be. Then again, the riders may be
ahead of the dope testing curve.

 

[Kurgan Gringioni]

B. Lafferty wrote:

> Given what we know about the extent of doping in the peloton, it
would be
> easy to simply say they were all juiced in the Ronde and that some
had
> better juice. But time will tell whether or not the racing is
different and
> more interesting. I think/hope it will be. Then again, the riders
may be
> ahead of the dope testing curve.



Dumbass -

You are so naive.

The riders are always ahead of the test curve for the simple fact that
they don't test for a substance until use of it becomes widespread.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

 

[gwhite]

Chris M wrote:
>
> You have to have the watts for your plans to work out.

And the wits.

> You act as if there are plans that can help
> a guy win a race like Flanders if he
> doesn't have the legs.

Really? No, I think I was saying that your legs are disadvantaged -- strong or
weak -- if you are 30 riders back when the winning attack is put in. Maybe he
did have "bad legs," but if he said that he didn't have the legs to win, or even
be in the winning break, I didn't hear it. I'm not making an assumption, I'm
asking why he was back there at a key time.

I used to work with a guy who had a poster in his office: "Results, Not
Excuses."

> This year especially, there was no answer when
> someone pulls away like Tom did.
>
> Give me a break. I guess PVP doesn't know how to "plan" against those
> wily 24 year olds "yet".

Dumbass,

Quit orphaning what you're responding to.

PetPet was in the winning break on the coverage I saw, but couldn't match what
amounted to the final solo attack. That's a little different than watching a
*group* of contenders roll away up the road.

 

[Van Hoorebeeck Bart]

"B. Lafferty" schreef:. PVP had Boonen digging deep on

> at least one occasion. He tested the waters on the Bosberg but didn't
> (couldn't?) get away. His attack at the end was very well timed after and
> attack by PVP before PVP could recover. PVP did chase hard and came fairly
> close to catching Boonen but that initial gap was too much to close himself.
>

Laff,

You're a total joke. Just stick to your niche threads.

 

[Bob Schwartz]

Van Hoorebeeck Bart <[email protected]> wrote:


> "B. Lafferty" schreef:. PVP had Boonen digging deep on

>> at least one occasion. He tested the waters on the Bosberg but didn't
>> (couldn't?) get away. His attack at the end was very well timed after and
>> attack by PVP before PVP could recover. PVP did chase hard and came fairly
>> close to catching Boonen but that initial gap was too much to close himself.
>>

> Laff,

> You're a total joke. Just stick to your niche threads.

No, no, no, he's dead right. And he's right about Nardello in 2002. A group
of five with two Mapei, Nardello was clearly irrelevant.

BOB SCHWARTZ
[email protected]

 

[[email protected]]

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> > Laff,
>
> > You're a total joke. Just stick to your niche threads.
>
> No, no, no, he's dead right. And he's right about Nardello in 2002. A
group
> of five with two Mapei, Nardello was clearly irrelevant.
>

multiple stage winner, italian champion, top-10 tdf finisher, yeah he's
a lightweight.

 

[Chris M]

I wasn't aware Booned ever had a chance to be *that* strong. He's is
still young enough to hone his finishing speed and he can pull away
like that?! I think he will eclipse his idol, perhaps even before his
30th birthday.

 

[Chris M]

"Killer Instinct" is *not" the same as "reading" a race. The "KI" is a
bundle of assets that are often not verbalized by the subject or anyone
observing. Somehow they just seem to make the right moves more often
that a lot of others. Because it is "instinct" it happens faster than
when someone mentally processes the logic of a race as it unfolds. That
same instinct also can help the subject to know when to ride their ass
in to the ground and when to conserve. Without that "instinct", some
riders never seem to invest everything in to a particular move. George
is the epitome of someone that lacks the "KI".

Those that read races well can normally explain the logic afterwards.
It is often also read by those savvy enough to see it as it unfolds.
George fails here too, but not as dramatically. Maybe Geo reads the
race quickly enough to respond to questions afterwards but not quick
enough to implement his plans. Normally when he fails to win he has a
decent understanding of what went wrong. Personally I think his number
1 mistake is placing too much importance on "being there" for Lance at
the Tour. I have never seen him more committed thanwhen riding for
others. I guess that is the very definition of a "Super Domestique",
one that has the physical assets to win but performs better when the
pressure is on a team mate.

 

[Chris M]

I think both of you agree he was anything but "irrelevant" or "a
lightweight". When his (Nardello's) BMI drops even lower he might
finally pull down a podium spot in an upcoming GT.