getting sick all the time and training

[Roger Zoul]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
:: On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:33:09 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email protected]> wrote:
::
::: [email protected] wrote:
:::::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
:::::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
:::::
::::: actually, it's been like this:
:::::
::::: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
::::: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
::::: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
::::: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
::::: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
::::: especially on the short rides.
:::::
::::: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like
::::: to exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and
::::: there, but I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race.
::::: And I certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond"
::::: that line.
:::
::: Due....don't comparison yourself to a real athlete! Do you work a
::: job? Also, you're not elite.
::
:: I happen to know this guy is borderline elite in another sport --
:: like a very good cat 2 in bike racing. About as good as can be
:: without super-freaky genetics and with a real job.

Ah....the plot thickens!

 

[Roger Zoul]

Dogfighting wrote:
:: Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
:: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

60% carbs and 40% protein is not healthy.

::
:: [email protected] wrote:
::: Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started
::: having these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I
::: just mean riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal
::: after all, pros ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel
::: greatand not overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze
::: around me. What supplements should I take to stop this? Any
::: comments?
:::
::
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[Roger Zoul]

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
:: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <[email protected]>
:: wrote:
::
::: 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
::: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
::
:: Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
:: to have zero fat?

No, and living on anything near 60% carbs, 40% protein will kill you. The
body needs certain fats to maintain optimal health. They are known as
essential fats.

 

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You actually need to take in some fats and you definitely need to take
in vitamines. Everyone here is looking for a biking cause for your
frequent illnesses. Overtraining is probably the likely culprit.
But....make sure you see a physician to be screened for some of the
other potential culprits. You never know.

As for nuitrition, you could try the old vitamin c and zinc
combination. Zinc has been studied for reducing the severity of viral
infections like the cold but probably not yet for prevention. You
could also consider a link between allergens which you are exposed to
when riding. An exacerbation of allergies can lead to colds and sinus
infections. Treating allergies may help.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Mcap



Roger Zoul wrote:
> Dogfighting wrote:
> :: Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> :: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
> 60% carbs and 40% protein is not healthy.
>
> ::
> :: [email protected] wrote:
> ::: Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started
> ::: having these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I
> ::: just mean riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal
> ::: after all, pros ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel
> ::: greatand not overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze
> ::: around me. What supplements should I take to stop this? Any
> ::: comments?
> :::
> ::
> :: --
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[Tony S.]

"Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:9%[email protected]...
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> >> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
> >
> > Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
> > to have zero fat?
> >
> Lots of fruits and veggies is obvious, but steamed white fish I get at a
> Chinese buffet is great, and I buy chicken breast and steam it so any
> residual fat just falls into the water. Canned Tuna is good too. Stay
> away from any restaurant of any kind and don't buy red meat. The only
> place I ever go out to eat is the Chinese buffet where it is an all you
> can eat and I load up on fish and Broccoli culled from the Broccoli-Beef
> section. Then I can wait an hour and ride most of it off. One meal a day
> plan, weird but healthy. Your body can make any fat it needs.
> Bill Baka

If the body can make any fat it needs, then why do people die from eating
lean protein alone? This is known as "rabbit starvation". Eating foods that
contain so-called healthy fats (including omega-3's and omega-6's) is
essential to good health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat

-Tony

 

[Mark & Steven Bornfeld]

Donald Munro wrote:

> Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
>> How about fiber? My hemorrhoids want to know.
>
>
> No ****, your hemorrhoids can talk ?
>
>
>
>

Telekinesis, too. Oh, and they can sing "Hello Dolly".

Steve (yes ****)

--
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http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

 

[Paul O]

[email protected] wrote:
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>

It could be related to over-training, but it sounds more like chronic
sinus infections brought on by allergies. You should go see a
otolaryngology specialist (an ear, nose, & throat doctor) to have your
sinuses checked out. Repeated sinus infections can lead to all sorts of
problems including the growth of nasal polyps which may require removal
by surgery. The doctor will probably also recommend that you be tested
to find out if you are allergic to any of the common airborne allergens.
See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinus_infection


I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
to seek medical care.

Good Luck
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC).

 

[Bill Baka]

Tony S. wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:9%[email protected]...
>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>>> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>>> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
>>> to have zero fat?
>>>
>> Lots of fruits and veggies is obvious, but steamed white fish I get at a
>> Chinese buffet is great, and I buy chicken breast and steam it so any
>> residual fat just falls into the water. Canned Tuna is good too. Stay
>> away from any restaurant of any kind and don't buy red meat. The only
>> place I ever go out to eat is the Chinese buffet where it is an all you
>> can eat and I load up on fish and Broccoli culled from the Broccoli-Beef
>> section. Then I can wait an hour and ride most of it off. One meal a day
>> plan, weird but healthy. Your body can make any fat it needs.
>> Bill Baka
>
> If the body can make any fat it needs, then why do people die from eating
> lean protein alone? This is known as "rabbit starvation". Eating foods that
> contain so-called healthy fats (including omega-3's and omega-6's) is
> essential to good health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat
>
> -Tony
>
>
I remember that fad. People were getting protein in a bottle and nothing
else. There was also the 'water' diet about 30 years ago where people
just drank water when they got hungry. Both diets killed people. Eating
lean chicken breast and fish will still get enough residual fat and
Omega's into the body. Vegetarians and the still more radical vegans
manage to survive without eating any animal products, but there are
certain fats in vegetables. Think olive oil, palm, cannola, corn,
rapeseed, and more. If you eat reasonably normal food and not processed
sugar or liquid protein you should be OK.
Bill Baka

 

[Raptor]

Roger Zoul wrote:
> :: They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
> :: hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form
> :: of a stronger base with higher sustainable speed.
>
> Hmm....I always have trouble with this statement. I don't think riding slow
> and long will help him ride with higher sustainsable speed (the statement is
> written to imply that). If he wants to go faster, then he needs to ride
> faster. It's just that he'll burn out if he only rides fast and hard all
> the time. So the lower intensity riding will allow him to avoid that. In
> the process, he build up time in the saddle helping to adapt the body for
> riding. Combined with frequent enough (but not too frequent, at first) hard
> & fast riding, he should improve.

That's exactly what I said, if you squint hard enough.

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[Chris BeHanna]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:40:45 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

>
> :: They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
> :: hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form
> :: of a stronger base with higher sustainable speed.
>
> Hmm....I always have trouble with this statement. I don't think riding slow
> and long will help him ride with higher sustainsable speed (the statement is
> written to imply that). If he wants to go faster, then he needs to ride
> faster. It's just that he'll burn out if he only rides fast and hard all
> the time. So the lower intensity riding will allow him to avoid that. In
> the process, he build up time in the saddle helping to adapt the body for
> riding. Combined with frequent enough (but not too frequent, at first) hard
> & fast riding, he should improve.

The notion is that a big block of long, low-intensity rides early in the
year provides a big aerobic base that allows for faster recovery from hard
efforts, both within a workout and between workouts. This lets your hard
workouts be higher-quality, and lets you have better recovery from them.

Even during the meat of the season, the easy days really do need to be
easy if they are to be used for active recovery.

--
Chris BeHanna


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I am really grateful to those who provided specific advice. Despite the
expectations that I won't follow any recommendations anyway, I actually
have made some decisions/conclusions I am summarizing below:

I started seeing an asthma/allergy specialist who works with athletes.

I am thinking about consulting with a coach, but I haven't looked into
that deeply (i.e. I don't even know if I can afford one).

I will be smarter about the way I ride and will incorporate slower
rides into my routine. I will try to ride more with a group, and will
try to keep my testosterone-induced reflexes under control. I will
stick with the faster groups (yes, those who can kick my @ss), and will
quit trying to beat as many riders as I can on every uphill on every
ride.

I am reading a book on nutrition, and will incorporate
supplements/multivitamins which so far I've been hoping I was getting
from regular food I take (which was not a very diverse menu).

The best one: I will quit smoking. Kidding.

Thank you, all, again. And yeah, my current 2-week long cold is almost
over (knock on wood) and the bike is due back from the service, so see
you on the road.

 

[[email protected]]

>
> I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
> allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
> improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
> to seek medical care.

Coincidentally, I just got a referral for a sinus CT scan. Thank you!!

 

[Paul O]

[email protected] wrote:
>> I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
>> allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
>> improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
>> to seek medical care.
>
> Coincidentally, I just got a referral for a sinus CT scan. Thank you!!
>

A CT scan is usually the first step. I'm glad you are getting checked out.

I hope you don't need nasal surgery because it is not pleasant. I know
that first hand.

For me, undergoing nasal surgery was definitely worth it. Over the
years, my nasal passages had slowly become more and more restricted.
After the surgery, I was amazed to discover the pleasure of freely
breathing through my nose again! I could breathe better and I could even
detect odors better (which is a mixed blessing).

Ideally, you want to get your allergies and sinus infections under
control before your sinuses are severely damaged.

However, if you do end up in surgery, I suggest that you opt for the
least invasive surgical procedure possible. Your doc may diagnose a
deviated septum and recommend correcting it. You might want to give that
procedure a pass unless this problem is severe. Talk to your doctor,
discuss all of your options, and don't be afraid to seek a second opinion.

Also, don't listen to any medical advise you get from strangers that you
meet on a news group. ;-)

Good Luck
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC).