getting sick all the time and training



Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> ...
>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>
> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>
My last one was $75,000 (USD) and I was due for a raise when 9/11 ruined
the company. I am (or was before H-1Bs) a damn good engineer and always
got respect and money for what I did. When they let me go, the project I
was working on stopped dead because nobody else could understand what I
was doing. Some other engineers worked on that for 6 months and still
couldn't get it, then the company went belly up, due to accounting fraud
by the very guy who had a bug up his butt for me and laid me off.
Those engineers were friends of mine and I tried to help them when they
called me, but, really, it was no longer my problem. I designed over the
years, a lot of circuits that could have been patented and made the
company big money for a while, but none of them ever wanted to bother.
Now I laugh when I see something I invented 10-15-20 years ago show up
in NASA tech briefs with licensing information. What a crock. One of
NASA's inventions had been done by me in 1985 and is out there in the
world, probably still working, since i did variations of it at 3
different companies.
$50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
Bill Baka
 
> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
> that much.

This is consistent with 90% of workers in my area being on H1B. Just
enough to maintain my bike.
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> >Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
> > do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
> > else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
>
> my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
> lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
> for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
> to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
> feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
>
> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).

--
Michael Press
 
[email protected] wrote:
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much.
>
> This is consistent with 90% of workers in my area being on H1B. Just
> enough to maintain my bike.
>
Depends.
Like I just posted I have had nibbles at the 6 figure level but that
required a commitment to live in the Bay Area away from home all week.
I'm married with a live at home 27 year old daughter taking her time
going through college. I make enough to pay her way and she gets some
grants due to her 4.? GPA. Better to me to have to watch my money than
to work myself into the ground in a damn cubicle. I used to lead a
classic Dilbert life at work and some of the bosses approached the
pointy haired one in stupidity.
Freedom from working for idiots means a lot to me.
Bill Baka
 
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
>>> do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
>>> else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
>> my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
>> lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
>> for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
>> to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
>> feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
>>
>> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
>> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
>> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.
>
> Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
Let some pass and only chase the easy ones. If I get passed by a guy who
is only riding because he lost his driver's license it is a moral
imperative to me to pass him and leave him in the dust. If I get passed
by a guy on an expensive road bike and I am on my mountain bike I let it go.
Choose your battles.
Bill Baka
 

> Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).

I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
not work for me.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> > Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
> every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
> certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
> not work for me.

Maybe the haste you demonstrate here feeds into the
way you approach training. However, that's a side issue.
For everybody but a pro, somewhere there is a group ride
(not necessarily a very organized ride) that goes faster
than you. Find that ride. Riding with people slower than
you is fine for sociability, but especially when you are just
starting and don't know what you are doing, you get faster
by riding with people faster than you.

Ben
 
In article
<[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
> every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
> certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
> not work for me.

That settles it. You are driven. You speak about your high
pressure work environment, and now it is clear that you
are one of the chief instigators. Waiting for anyone is a
waste of time. If you can possibly pass someone, then you
will. No judgment here. My advice is to proceed as you are
and see it through to wherever it takes you.

--
Michael Press
 
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:33:09 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
>::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
>::
>:: actually, it's been like this:
>::
>:: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
>:: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
>:: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
>:: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
>:: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
>:: especially on the short rides.
>::
>:: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
>:: exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but
>:: I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I
>:: certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.
>
>Due....don't comparison yourself to a real athlete! Do you work a job?
>Also, you're not elite.

I happen to know this guy is borderline elite in another sport -- like
a very good cat 2 in bike racing. About as good as can be without
super-freaky genetics and with a real job.


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Bill Baka wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Bill Baka wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
> >> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
> >> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
> >> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
> >> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
> >> and sanity outweigh the money.
> >
> > Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> > less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
> >
> ...
> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.

I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.

The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
costs.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
 
[email protected] wrote:
> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form of a
stronger base with higher sustainable speed.

--
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I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,
 
greggery peccary wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
>> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
>> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
>> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
>> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
>> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>>
>
> are you training indoors with a bunch of other people around? that's a sure
> fire way to catch something. as soon as i stopped going to the gym, my virus
> rate went way down! also-consult your physician.

Germophobia is pretty effective in this case. Wipe down your equipment
with disinfecting wipes before using it and keep your hands clean and
away from the slimy/wet parts of your body.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?

Wow, all of this training advice, is this really r.b.r? Oh wait, it got
crossposted to r.b.misc.... :)
 
Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

[email protected] wrote:
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>

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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>>>
>> ...
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>
> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>
> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
> costs.
>
It also has the side benefit of discouraging kids to take engineering
courses in college because they see there is no future in it. Once we
have decimated our own abilities and are dependent on all the countries
we helped we will become the poor country. There is a backlash effect
but nobody is paying attention. When most of our products come from a
communist country to the point that we are dependent on them, then what?
New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!
Bill Baka
 
Followups trimmed to r.b.m.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:22 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>> > Bill Baka wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>> >> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>> >> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>> >> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>> >> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>> >> and sanity outweigh the money.
>> >
>> > Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>> > less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>> >
>> ...
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>
> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>
> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
> costs.

Unfortunately, that often leads to the need for a complete do-over
of the entire project, as requirements get misunderstood, or the quality
of implementation is very poor.

The "scrum" model of development might be a reasonable way to do
outsourcing (short "sprints" of development, at the end of which, the
project must be able to actually run and be working), instead of "throw it
over the wall, wait six months, and see what comes slithering back."

Even at that, my experience has been that although the overseas
folks are very smart, they tend to have very little practical experience,
and none at all in the realm of actual software engineering.

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Chris BeHanna wrote:
> Followups trimmed to r.b.m.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:22 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>>>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>>>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>>>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>>>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>>>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>>>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>>>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>>>>
>>> ...
>>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
>> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
>> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>>
>> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
>> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
>> costs.
>
> Unfortunately, that often leads to the need for a complete do-over
> of the entire project, as requirements get misunderstood, or the quality
> of implementation is very poor.
>
> The "scrum" model of development might be a reasonable way to do
> outsourcing (short "sprints" of development, at the end of which, the
> project must be able to actually run and be working), instead of "throw it
> over the wall, wait six months, and see what comes slithering back."
>
> Even at that, my experience has been that although the overseas
> folks are very smart, they tend to have very little practical experience,
> and none at all in the realm of actual software engineering.
>
Hardware too, in my case. Lousy engineers, but if you throw enough of
them at a project eventually one will come up with something. Ten heads
are better than one, at least in China.
Bill Baka
 
On 9 Sep 2006 23:18:07 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy.

If you live in a city of any size and you're not a pro, there will be
groups that can kick your ****. Find them.

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> Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.
 
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <[email protected]> wrote:

>60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
to have zero fat?

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