Giro Podium under threat? DiLuca, Eddy, Simoni, Ricco abnormal?

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  1. Serafino

    Serafino New Member

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    Here we go again ... from CN:

    Italian paper calls Giro doping test results 'abnormal'

    Italian newspaper Corriere Dello Sport is reporting that Danilo Di Luca (Liquigas), Eddy Mazzoleni (Astana), Gilberto Simoni and Riccardo Riccò (both Saunier Duval - Prodir) are being scrutinized by the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) for what are being called 'abnormally low' hormone levels.

    The newspaper characterized the results as 'extremely bizarre' saying that they were returned from blood and urine tests given after the stage to Monte Zoncolan on May 30th.

    CONI is reported to have requested a meeting with UCI president Pat McQuaid regarding the alleged abnormal results and wants access to the UCI's files containing the athletes' quarterly blood tests to compare against the Giro test values.

    The low hormone values are said to be rare as a natural occurrence - levels expected in prepubescent males and not those of fully mature adults - and a red flag to the possible use of masking agents designed to thwart anti-doping controls. However, decreased levels of testosterone have been demonstrated during a study of riders in the 1999 Vuelta Espana published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine (in 2001).

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun25news
     
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  2. Bro Deal

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    Di Luca and Eddy M. had abnormal hormone levels during the Giro? I'm shocked. Surely the lab must have made mistakes.
     
  3. thunder

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    Perhaps Floyd can lend them the leftovers from the Floyd Freedom Fund.
     
  4. Pas Souci

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    Not all bad would come from this. Andy Schleck would win!;)
     
  5. lucybears

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    Hormone levels of world class cyclists during the Tour of Spain stage race - "Both morning and evening aMT6s levels decreased significantly during the study. A similar pattern was observed for morning serum levels of cortisol and testosterone."

    http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/35/6/424?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=Vuelta&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT
     
  6. limerickman

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    I blame the lab.
    I blame Greg LeMond too.
     
  7. Wayne666

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    Lots of questions. In the study did they decrease to the level of pre-adolescent boys?

    Presumably they have been singled out because they are abnormal compared to normal test values, meaning the ones they've collected at the end of previous Giros or similar races?

    Unlikely, but are they abnormal because they are now riding "clean" so hormones are decreasing naturally, while in previous editions everyone was using dope to prop up their hormone levels?
     
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    That's a new defense - my test results are abnormal because I used to cheat. Has anyone passed that on to Floyd?
     
  9. lucybears

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  10. Wayne666

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    Maybe Floyd's screw up was only propping up his Testerone while not addressing the others?
     
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    rob of the og New Member

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    Wouldn't that be great? If they actually were innocent this time, but to prove it they'd have to admit that they'd been doping for years before. I wonder how their lawyers would try to spin that.
     
  12. whiteboytrash

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  13. Rolfrae

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    Gibo's signiature showed abnormal values.
     
  14. whiteboytrash

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    Yes ! Not many have signed the charter... Astana and Disco are dragging the chain again on doping....

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  15. lucybears

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    Compromiso antidoping[​IMG]Simoni firma el acuerdo antidoping del UCI25/06/2007[​IMG] SAUNIER DUVAL PRODIR anuncia oficialmente que Gilberto Simoni se une a la lista de los ciclistas que han aceptado firmar el acuerdo antidoping del UCI.
     
  16. tcklyde

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    OKay, so there were a bunch of "abnormal" results from the Giro. Interesting that we hear about this year. And Floyd's positive from last year's TdF. But is this really the first time that riders have returned abnormal readings on doping controls?

    My guess is that the Tours have been finding -- and ignoring -- abnormal test results for years. They just decided to turn a blind eye. But after Puerto, everything seemed a bit more serious and now they decide to investigate.

    This is probably nothing new. We just hear about it now.
     
  17. Doctor.House

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    Drug testing is just show business and pretense.

    The Tour will begin this weekend--as long as Corporate clients wire over the money.

    Money is the oxygen that drives the show and pays for the drugs too.
     
  18. Frigo's Luggage

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    My sense is that the UCI is finally recognizing that they can't sweep the problem under the rug and that they have to really crack down...this won't last.

     
  19. Doctor.House

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    Is that what the sponsors said?

    If commercial sponsors still wire over funds--after the disclosures of the past 90 days---then blood doping is deemed acceptable.

    If fans do not boycott OLN and Eurosport TV shows---then doping is acceptable.

    Doping is a terrific story and very emotional too---but nothing will ever change.

    Cheating and elite level sport are one in the same.
     
  20. azdroptop

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    I surprised you didn't blame Lance and Discovery.... LOL :D
     
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