I finally broke down and bought a KitchenAid stand mixer, model 600. I got a 20% coupon for a single item in the mail from Bed Bath and Beyond. I used it against the 369 mixer, so that was over $70 off. Then KitchenAid has a mail in rebate for $50. So over $120 off a $369 mixer was about $249. Nice deal I think if you are in need of a mixer.