Good grief....

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:08:15 +0100, David Martin
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I find I get a better view of what is behind me when using the mirrors. SO I
use mirrors to reverse. Nothing wrong with using mirrors, as long as you
ensure that you are taking proper observation.

I used to drive removal vans. I have reversed a 36ft long truck
between a line of brand-new unregistered Jaguars and a line of
brand-new unregistered Porsches in the car storage yard where we used
to park, with around 2ft clearance each side. I can reverse using
mirrors. Most car drivers can't! You can tell because they are
almost always going *much* faster than would be prudent - so what's
new? :-)

No wonder there are five million motor insurance claims every year...

Guy
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in message <[email hidden]>, Jon Senior

jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk ('') said:

Tony Raven [email hidden] opined the following...

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Paul - censored said:

Heheheh .. my 'Kensington tractor' is a little different to those,
I guess .... It does actually get used, and abused, off-road a
_lot_ ... 😉

http://groups.msn.com/LosiPaulsPictures/shoebox.msnw?Page=3

The pics on pages 1 and 2 are a little 'tamer' .. 😉

That's not deep, this is deep - http://www.muddy4x4.com/90wet.htm

A wonderful story from a FOAF. He works on an estate a little way from
Bridge of Allan. The estate's owner has a 4x4, but has one of the
plush, leather seat, carpetted interior not to be used in wet
conditions ones.

On a trip back to the house he (As he and others often do) forded the
stream rather than drive the 1 mile round trip to the proper crossing
and back. The water was a little deeper and faster than it had been.
Testament to the car in that it made it through and up the other side.
But witnesses then watched as he climbed out, opened the back door and
the water poured out of the interior. The car was left open around the
back of the house so that the carpets could dry out.

In these parts the sea is very shallow and the tide goes out a long way.
Much of the sea bottom is firm sand or clay, some isn't. Every year
some grockle or other decides it's clever to take his 4x4 out on the
sand for a spin. Every year some grockle gets bogged down somewhere.
Twice a day the tide comes in. What price would you give for a five day
old Suzuki Grand Vitara (five days from first registered) which has
spent three of those days being washed through with salt water twice a
day? The sorry object sat in the back yard of Kirkcudbright garage for
a few weeks until the lost adjusters were finished with it, and was
then scrapped.

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Simon Brooke [email hidden] opined the following...

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In these parts the sea is very shallow and the tide goes out a long way.
Much of the sea bottom is firm sand or clay, some isn't. Every year
some grockle or other decides it's clever to take his 4x4 out on the
sand for a spin. Every year some grockle gets bogged down somewhere.
Twice a day the tide comes in. What price would you give for a five day
old Suzuki Grand Vitara (five days from first registered) which has
spent three of those days being washed through with salt water twice a
day? The sorry object sat in the back yard of Kirkcudbright garage for
a few weeks until the lost adjusters were finished with it, and was
then scrapped.

That's brilliant. I don't suppose the Grockle was encouraged to remain
with his vehicle for the three days? Out of interest, why did it take
three days to recover? Was it difficult to get someone to do it, or were
they just laughing too much?

Jon

On 10/10/04 3:05 pm, in article
[email hidden], "Simon Brooke"

Quoted message said:

What price would you give for a five day
old Suzuki Grand Vitara (five days from first registered) which has
spent three of those days being washed through with salt water twice a
day? The sorry object sat in the back yard of Kirkcudbright garage for
a few weeks until the lost adjusters were finished with it, and was
then scrapped.

He should have bought a toyota pickup if he wanted to subject it to tidal
waters..
(AKA the car they couldn't kill on top gear)

...d

in message <[email hidden]>, Jon Senior

jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk ('') said:

Simon Brooke [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

In these parts the sea is very shallow and the tide goes out a long
way. Much of the sea bottom is firm sand or clay, some isn't. Every
year some grockle or other decides it's clever to take his 4x4 out on
the sand for a spin. Every year some grockle gets bogged down
somewhere. Twice a day the tide comes in. What price would you give
for a five day old Suzuki Grand Vitara (five days from first
registered) which has spent three of those days being washed through
with salt water twice a day? The sorry object sat in the back yard of
Kirkcudbright garage for a few weeks until the lost adjusters were
finished with it, and was then scrapped.

That's brilliant. I don't suppose the Grockle was encouraged to remain
with his vehicle for the three days? Out of interest, why did it take
three days to recover? Was it difficult to get someone to do it, or
were they just laughing too much?

Got stuck on a Saturday morning on a rising tide (first day of his
holiday, I believe). First tide washed through it before a recovery
could be organised and after that it wasn't urgent.

One of these incidents (not the brand new Vitara) required the occupants
of the vehicle to be rescued off its roof by the inshore rescue boat.
This year's was a Disco, I believe, on Southwick sands; the Vitara was
about three years ago off the Doon beach in Kirkcudbright bay; and the
inshore rescue boat story was about two years ago in Fleet Bay.

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On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

What price would you give for a five day
old Suzuki Grand Vitara (five days from first registered) which has
spent three of those days being washed through with salt water twice a
day?

About the same as I'd give for one which hadn't, I guess...

Quoted message said:

The sorry object sat in the back yard of Kirkcudbright garage for
a few weeks until the lost adjusters were finished with it, and was
then scrapped.

See what I mean? Worth every penny I'd have been prepared to pay for
it :-)

Guy
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you know? said:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:08:15 +0100, David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I find I get a better view of what is behind me when using the mirrors. SO I
use mirrors to reverse. Nothing wrong with using mirrors, as long as you
ensure that you are taking proper observation.

I used to drive removal vans. I have reversed a 36ft long truck
between a line of brand-new unregistered Jaguars and a line of
brand-new unregistered Porsches in the car storage yard where we used
to park, with around 2ft clearance each side. I can reverse using
mirrors. Most car drivers can't! You can tell because they are
almost always going *much* faster than would be prudent - so what's
new? :-)

Yes, I often reverse on mirrors too. Like you it comes from having
driven vans (though not removal vans in my case). Reversing a trailer
using the mirrors is another handy skill.

Some car drivers are handicapped when it comes to reversing with
mirrors 'cos the mirrors are ubggre all use at showing what's behind
you - particularly (from personal experience) if the car's a Vauxhall
Astra.

Quoted message said:

No wonder there are five million motor insurance claims every year...

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On 10/10/04 8:48 pm, in article [email hidden],

Naqerj said:

you know? said:

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:08:15 +0100, David Martin
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

I find I get a better view of what is behind me when using the mirrors. SO I
use mirrors to reverse. Nothing wrong with using mirrors, as long as you
ensure that you are taking proper observation.

I used to drive removal vans. I have reversed a 36ft long truck
between a line of brand-new unregistered Jaguars and a line of
brand-new unregistered Porsches in the car storage yard where we used
to park, with around 2ft clearance each side. I can reverse using
mirrors. Most car drivers can't! You can tell because they are
almost always going *much* faster than would be prudent - so what's
new? :-)

Yes, I often reverse on mirrors too. Like you it comes from having
driven vans (though not removal vans in my case). Reversing a trailer
using the mirrors is another handy skill.

Some car drivers are handicapped when it comes to reversing with
mirrors 'cos the mirrors are ubggre all use at showing what's behind
you - particularly (from personal experience) if the car's a Vauxhall
Astra.

I've got an Astra and still reverse on the mirrors. I have driven vans,
minibusses etc and can happily reverse most things.

My parents keep the car off road in the back garden. To get it out you have
to reverse out of the garden into the alley running alongside, then down the
alley to the road. (It is easier to drive in and reverse out than the other
way round). You have about 6-8" either side of the wing mirrors. We had to
be able to get the car out and in before being allowed to borrow it.

You cannot fit a transit van up the alley without physically removing the
wing mirrors. (tried it)

...d

Just zis Guy said:

Quoted message said:

observation.

I used to drive removal vans. I have reversed a 36ft long truck
between a line of brand-new unregistered Jaguars and a line of
brand-new unregistered Porsches in the car storage yard where we used
to park, with around 2ft clearance each side.

And you didn't manage to get onw of them?

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David Martin said:

I've got an Astra and still reverse on the mirrors. I have driven vans,
minibusses etc and can happily reverse most things.

Can you ride your bike backwards?

On 8 Oct 2004 19:54:44 GMT, Monkey Hanger <[email hidden]>

() said:

Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote in news:4166c646.0@entanet:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They escaped from Woburn Abbey. They're crowding out native deer and
they eat everything the rabbits can't reach. Send 'em all home.

Not "Shoot them and burn the bodies"?

Barbecue, anyone?
--
Matt K.
"We all live in a yellow subroutine."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They escaped from Woburn Abbey. They're crowding out native deer and
they eat everything the rabbits can't reach. Send 'em all home.

Not "Shoot them and burn the bodies"?

Barbecue, anyone?

Well my one-eyed, small (six pounds in weight) cat (*the* Wafflycat) has been
known to try to fell a muntjac. I've seen her go for one. She missed it's neck,
and it ran off, whereupon she chased it several hundred yards across a field at
the back of my house. She does the same if it's a roe deer. She has jumped out
of a first floor window in an attempt to get a pheasant. She can successfully
hunt rabbits and jump a six-foot fence with a rabbit in her jaws. I blame David
Attenborough. So many documentaries on the big cats of Africa, the BBC has
given my small housecat delusions of grandeur. No piffling little birds for
her, she wants the big stuff.

To keep this on topic, I do have a small decal of her on my bike :-)

Cheers, helen s

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On 11 Oct 2004 07:49:25 GMT, [email hidden]

(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) () said:

Well my one-eyed, small (six pounds in weight) cat (*the* Wafflycat) has been
known to try to fell a muntjac. I've seen her go for one. She missed it's neck,
and it ran off, whereupon she chased it several hundred yards across a field at
the back of my house. She does the same if it's a roe deer. She has jumped out
of a first floor window in an attempt to get a pheasant. She can successfully
hunt rabbits and jump a six-foot fence with a rabbit in her jaws. I blame David
Attenborough. So many documentaries on the big cats of Africa, the BBC has
given my small housecat delusions of grandeur. No piffling little birds for
her, she wants the big stuff.

Awwwww...

No mean feat, catching bunnies, either.
Some friends of ours were staff to a cat that brought home a chicken
once. Not bad, considering they lived on an inner-city estate. To this
day they still have no idea where it came from. Our feline ex-employer
was also lacking when it came to judging the suitable size of relative
prey. She was an uncanny ratter, despite being of a similar size to
the Wafflycat. Unfortunately, taxis don't back down. :-(

Quoted message said:

To keep this on topic, I do have a small decal of her on my bike :-)

Oh, yeah, bikes. Of course. Right. Cycling, isn't it...

Custom-made decal or purchased from LBS? I quite fancy a custom decal
or two for the recumbent.

--
Matt K.
"Life is like pudding; soft and squishy..."

On 11/10/04 7:02 am, in article [email hidden],

Gonzalez said:

David Martin said:

I've got an Astra and still reverse on the mirrors. I have driven vans,
minibusses etc and can happily reverse most things.

Can you ride your bike backwards?

I've ridden a tricycle backwards (OK, I was sat facing backwards on the
handlebars..)

...d

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Custom-made decal or purchased from LBS? I quite fancy a custom decal
or two for the recumbent.

Custom-made by the highly skilled Mr Whelan of this 'ere newsgroup. I highly
recommend his decals.

Cheers, helen s

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> They escaped from Woburn Abbey. They're crowding out native deer and
> they eat everything the rabbits can't reach. Send 'em all home.

Not "Shoot them and burn the bodies"?

Barbecue, anyone?

Well my one-eyed, small (six pounds in weight) cat (*the* Wafflycat) has been
known to try to fell a muntjac. I've seen her go for one. She missed it's neck,
and it ran off, whereupon she chased it several hundred yards across a field at
the back of my house. She does the same if it's a roe deer. She has jumped out
of a first floor window in an attempt to get a pheasant. She can successfully
hunt rabbits and jump a six-foot fence with a rabbit in her jaws.

A friend of mine had cats who caught a rabbit and wanted to give it to the
owner as a present. Being unable to jump the full distance from the coalshed
roof in through the bedroom window carrying a rabbit, they solved the problem
by chewing the rabbit in half first and then leaving two half rabbits
bleeding on the pillows. That window stayed shut after that.

Quoted message said:

A friend of mine had cats who caught a rabbit and wanted to give it to the
owner as a present. Being unable to jump the full distance from the coalshed
roof in through the bedroom window carrying a rabbit, they solved the problem
by chewing the rabbit in half first and then leaving two half rabbits
bleeding on the pillows. That window stayed shut after that.

I've had heads of rabbits left, a la Mario Puzo stylee, in various places of
easy stepping-on locations. One year, served to me as a birthday present was a
fully-grown male rat, left in just the right spot my by foot, as I read my
emails that day...

Cheers, helen s

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In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Well my one-eyed, small (six pounds in weight) cat (*the* Wafflycat) has been
known to try to fell a muntjac. I've seen her go for one. She missed it's neck,
and it ran off, whereupon she chased it several hundred yards across a field at
the back of my house. She does the same if it's a roe deer. She has jumped out
of a first floor window in an attempt to get a pheasant. She can successfully
hunt rabbits and jump a six-foot fence with a rabbit in her jaws. I blame David
Attenborough. So many documentaries on the big cats of Africa, the BBC has
given my small housecat delusions of grandeur. No piffling little birds for
her, she wants the big stuff.

One of my parent's cats has just, at the ripe old age of 19, brought in
a fit and healthy mouse by way of demonstration that she _can_ still
hunt, she just chooses not to!

The other one poses little or no threat to local wildlife. His first
"gift" to us was a flat pigeon with tyre tracks over it.

Jon

Jon Senior <jon@restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk.remove> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Well my one-eyed, small (six pounds in weight) cat (*the* Wafflycat) has been
known to try to fell a muntjac. I've seen her go for one. She missed it's neck,
and it ran off, whereupon she chased it several hundred yards across a field at
the back of my house. She does the same if it's a roe deer. She has jumped out
of a first floor window in an attempt to get a pheasant. She can successfully
hunt rabbits and jump a six-foot fence with a rabbit in her jaws. I blame David
Attenborough. So many documentaries on the big cats of Africa, the BBC has
given my small housecat delusions of grandeur. No piffling little birds for
her, she wants the big stuff.

I came into the kitchen many years ago to find a thick layer of yellow
feathers (but no canary) all over the floor and a very pleased looking
cat. I had to take all the feathers in a sack to an undisclosed
location in case the bag split while the refuse operatives were
lobbing the bag into the lorry in view of my (canary breeding)
neighbour ;-)

On 11 Oct 2004 08:27:07 GMT, [email hidden]

(dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) () said:

Quoted message said:

Custom-made decal or purchased from LBS? I quite fancy a custom decal
or two for the recumbent.

Custom-made by the highly skilled Mr Whelan of this 'ere newsgroup. I highly
recommend his decals.

I shall have to drop him a line, then. Decals aren't heavy, so postage
will be cheap. :-)

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Step Two: You figure that's just gotta be jelly 'cos jam just don't
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