Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.

[Mark Leuck]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mark "Pollyanna" Leuck wrote:
>
> > "HHS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
> >>
> >>Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
> >>
> >>Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
> >>
> >>Bring it on.
> >
> >
> > Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
> > statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up
getting
>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)

It's one thing to predict or speculate about a bad event, quite another to
hope and pray it happens. The current high price of oil is based more on
speculation than supply and demand, it's a bubble

And its a very short-sighted view, in many cases more new oil will be pumped
because it is now profitable to do so, Canada's "slush" reserves and even
some Texas fields are a good example. Contrary to popular belief the oil
producers don't want long term high prices because it causes the market to
look for other sources of crude or alternative energy sources which reduces
their overall market percentages later which is the reason why OPEC doesn't
have the same power over the market they did back in the 70's

And assuming the worst case scenario such as HHS seems to desire he will
then have to pay at least double for his next recumbent bike (thats assuming
todays manufacturers are still in business after the collapse) and parts for
his current bike will be astronomical, that is assuming he has a job left to
pay for said parts.

All I can say is I'm damn glad I got my new Terracycle 70mm titanium idler
today instead of next year..whew!

 

[Dave Larrington]

HHS wrote:

> Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.

In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
general election.

Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five quid
a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to spend
two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are awash
with motorcars.

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[HHS]

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark "Pollyanna" Leuck wrote:
>
>> "HHS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
>>>
>>>Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
>>>
>>>Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
>>>
>>>Bring it on.
>>
>>
>> Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
>> statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up getting
>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
>

Lueck is an idiot. Sherman is right.

I can hardly wait until the day I see some former SUV driving, cell phone
talking, filthy rich, Halliburton like, war mongering oil pig die of a heart
attack trying to pedal a velomobile up a hill. These bastards will reap
what they sow. Sherman couldn't have said it better, "Enjoy the coming
suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!" It's too late to
turn back so let's get it on.

 

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Tom Sherman wrote:

>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning
large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st
century!

Some people think this is the good news, or should I say Good News.

http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/

 

[David K. Smith]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>
>> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning
> large
>> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
>> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
>> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>>
>> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st
> century!
>
> Some people think this is the good news, or should I say Good News.
>
> http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/
>
Re: alternet.org/enviroheath/20666 (hmmm...666)

Mr. Riley I trust you are aware James Watt never made the "after the last
tree is felled, Christ will come back." comment that has been attributed to
him. It is an urban legend from the left. In this incident Moyers, to his
credit, did issue an appropriate apology to Mr. Watt.

The dogs bark, but the anti-Christian caravan rolls on.

David

 

[Mark Leuck]

"HHS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> > Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
> >
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
> >
>
> Lueck is an idiot. Sherman is right.
>
> I can hardly wait until the day I see some former SUV driving, cell phone
> talking, filthy rich, Halliburton like, war mongering oil pig die of a
heart
> attack trying to pedal a velomobile up a hill. These bastards will reap
> what they sow. Sherman couldn't have said it better, "Enjoy the coming
> suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!" It's too late to
> turn back so let's get it on.

LOL you have a serious anger management problem,

"IF" everything you appear to want comes true those "filty rich Haliburton
like" people will still be rich, will still be able to afford large cars,
still be able to pay for expensive gas and you will be looking at them while
holding a "Will work for food" sign

And for god sakes man if you are going to hate someone at least spell the
name right, its Haliburton not Halliburton

 

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Mad Max I,II, whatever, nah.

Americathon makes so much more sense.

Daily projects; some work- some don't. Between gas prices and feeding
tubes; people think I have a screw loose with good cheer. I built up a
cheap full fairing on my trike, and everyone seemed to agree it was
bad- not say word, being nonchalant when it did not work.

I removed the foam belly-pan today, and it worked. I was all smiles
and whoops. I could not believe the "what is he on" looks from others.

Can't please all the people all the time. But some people are somewhat
prepared for future doom.

Now; where can I find a campy Americathon movie?

 

[Pat]

:
: Mr. Riley I trust you are aware James Watt never made the "after the last
: tree is felled, Christ will come back." comment that has been attributed
to
: him. It is an urban legend from the left. In this incident Moyers, to
his
: credit, did issue an appropriate apology to Mr. Watt.
:
: The dogs bark, but the anti-Christian caravan rolls on.
:
: David

You are making a mistake in lumping together all Christians with the loony
far-right Christians. Someone can be against the loonies without being
"anti-Christian" just the same way someone can be against Osama big Laden
without being "anti-Islamic".

Pat in TX
:
:

 

[Pat]

:
: > Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
:
: In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
: with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
: general election.
:
: Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five
quid
: a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to
spend
: two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are
awash
: with motorcars.
:
: Dave Larrington -

Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have taxes
built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of life issues
such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the taxes on fuel go
towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not nearly enough.

Pat in TX

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Pat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> :
> : > Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
> :
> : In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
> : with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
> : general election.
> :
> : Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five
> quid
> : a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to
> spend
> : two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are
> awash
> : with motorcars.
> :
> : Dave Larrington -
>
> Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have taxes
> built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of life issues
> such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the taxes on fuel go
> towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not nearly enough.
>
> Pat in TX

Close but not quite, they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs, the
roads that I've seen in Europe aren't any better or worse than the US with
the exception of the Autobahn and Norway, why Norway? I have no idea

And they have fewer roads than the US to take care of

 

[Dave Larrington]

Pat wrote:

> Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have
> taxes built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of
> life issues such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the
> taxes on fuel go towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not
> nearly enough.

Yebbut it doesn't matter what The Mgt does with the tax moeny. People moan
constantly about the cost of motoring and then keep right on doing it.

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World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
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[Jon Meinecke]

"David K. Smith" <[email protected]> wrote

> James Watt never made the "after the last tree is felled,
> Christ will come back."

Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" remark either.

Cheap energy form oil (not including indirect costs) has shaped
technology, culture, geopolitics, ... So will less cheap oil.

Jon Meinecke

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Jon Meinecke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1112362245.e02e11123fba3701780f6405e9b211af@teranews...
> "David K. Smith" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > James Watt never made the "after the last tree is felled,
> > Christ will come back."
>
> Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" remark either.

True but with Gore it seems like it's told more jokingly than the Watt
"statement". I could be wrong

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:05:22 -0600, "Mark Leuck"
<[email protected]> wrote in message
<[email protected]>:

>they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs

Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?

Guy
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[Mark Leuck]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:05:22 -0600, "Mark Leuck"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> <[email protected]>:
>
> >they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
>
> Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
>
> Guy

Everyone would if they were indeed FREE which isn't the case. And as usual
with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

 

[Mark Leuck]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:06:00 -0600, "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]>
> wrote in message <[email protected]>:
>
> >> >they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
>
> >> Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
>
> >Everyone would if they were indeed FREE which isn't the case. And as
usual
> >with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
> >nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.
>
> LOL! Do you not know that the US has the most expensive healthcare,
> per capita, in the world? And that's with a significant proportion
> relegated to very much lower levels of provision in the chronically
> underfunded public sector.

I don't doubt that but I do doubt putting it in complete control of the
government would improve it, do these studies also show the quality of
health care?

> Come to think of it, Cuba seems to do better than either the US or the
> UK in terms of providing a very high quality healthcare system for a
> surprisingly low cost per capita.

Obviously by skipping on brooms to sweep insects from the floor

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php

Thanks but I'll stick with what we in the US already have

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:51:19 -0600, "Mark Leuck" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <[email protected]>:

>> >with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
>> >nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.

>> LOL! Do you not know that the US has the most expensive healthcare,
>> per capita, in the world? And that's with a significant proportion
>> relegated to very much lower levels of provision in the chronically
>> underfunded public sector.

>I don't doubt that but I do doubt putting it in complete control of the
>government would improve it, do these studies also show the quality of
>health care?

One of the things which has always dogged our NHS is the fact that a
lot of people in Government, especially these days, fail to understand
the public service ethic - they discount any motive other than profit.
What happens in any privately run healthcare system is that - by law
and by inclination - profit is the driver. We prefer our health
system to be driven by other criteria.

>> Come to think of it, Cuba seems to do better than either the US or the
>> UK in terms of providing a very high quality healthcare system for a
>> surprisingly low cost per capita.

>Obviously by skipping on brooms to sweep insects from the floor

Or not. The WHO found that the United States ranked Number 1 on
per-capita expenditure but 37th in overall health system performance,
just behind Costa Rica and ahead of Slovenia. In most industrial
countries, out-of-pocket health expenses average only about 25 percent
because of universal health coverage. In the United States, that
average is 56%.

I'll stick with my bloated socialist system, thanks al the same.

Guy
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[Jon Meinecke]

"Mark Leuck" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> "Jon Meinecke" <[email protected]> wrote
> >
> > Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" remark either.
>
> True but with Gore it seems like it's told more jokingly than the Watt
> "statement". I could be wrong

See Watt-related Doonesbury series on the subject for humorous
take... It's fair to say Watt much favored development over
preservation.

Citing the "second coming" in congressional testimony regarding
federal public lands policy is "colorful" to say the least and so
likewise, apparently, was Watt's taste in jokes. He resigned
after using the c-word (cripple) and in describing the diversity
of his staff (in a joking reference). Later lying to a grand jury
(withholding evidence) about his consulting work didn't exactly
help his legacy.

The oil crisis in the '70s resulted in many changes in the
auto industry, and may have marked the beginning of the
big three's slide. It will be interesting to see how the
current oil prices will change the market.

What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?

Jon Meinecke

 

[Dave Larrington]

Jon Meinecke wrote:

> What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?

Avatar 2000, Roulandt, M5 and Windcheetah definitely; possibly Easy Racers &
Lightning as well.

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[Bill Patterson]

Dave Larrington wrote:
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>
>
>>What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
>
>
> Avatar 2000, Roulandt, M5 and Windcheetah definitely; possibly Easy Racers &
> Lightning as well.
>
We also had the "roadrunner" built in Ventura CA.

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