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I've avoided group rides in the past, but I'm tired of getting brushed off the road by cars and I
figure a group should be safer. I've found some local rides for novice group riders, and I have some
questions about terminology:

1. What's a recovery ride with tempo pace?

2. Some rides are listed as "A", "B", or "C" road. What does this mean?

3. What's a pick-up ride?

4. When riding alone, I average 16-17 mph. What pace should I be able to maintain in a group?

Thanks,

Tom
 
[email protected] (Tom) wrote in news:ae755ef4.0307222029.9811146 @posting.google.com:
> 1. What's a recovery ride with tempo pace?
> 2. Some rides are listed as "A", "B", or "C" road. What does this mean?

Those terms vary depending on the club. Call the ride leader and ask what the pace will be like and
about regroups, etc. In some clubs, "A" is the fastest speed and in others, "A" is the slowest.

> 4. When riding alone, I average 16-17 mph. What pace should I be able to maintain in a group?

Your pace will be about the same. Don't try drafting on your first group ride. Most groups riding at
that speed don't draft much anyway.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Tom <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've avoided group rides in the past, but I'm tired of getting brushed off the road by cars and I
> figure a group should be safer. I've found some local rides for novice group riders, and I have
> some questions about terminology:

If you're getting brushed off the road you're not riding right. The way riding in a group will
help is that people there can tell you how better to ride on the road. Group riding has it's own
set of skills.

>
> 1. What's a recovery ride with tempo pace?

A steady ride at an easier than race pace.

>
> 2. Some rides are listed as "A", "B", or "C" road. What does this mean?

Levels of difficulty/speed/distance/hills

>
> 3. What's a pick-up ride?

Usually it's an informal semi-scheduled ride where the participants decide where to go just before
leaving. My old club called them show and go rides.
>
> 4. When riding alone, I average 16-17 mph. What pace should I be able to maintain in a group?

Um, 16-17 mph? if you truly average 16-17 on the computer including hills, then with most clubs you
would ride at a B level with little problem. If you cruise on the flat at 16-17 but don't usually go
far (over 30 miles) or don't usually head for the hills you would most likely start as a C level
rider. Most riders find they go a little faster and a little farther more easily with a group.

When evaluating a group make sure you talk to someone on the phone and discuss how they handle
dropped riders. Some groups like to hammer and it's every man for his'self. Others have strict no
drop policies. Better yet, since you're a little nervous about being out by yourself, after talking
to a club officer on the phone, head out to a start and talk to rank and file riders to see if
actions match words with regards to dropped riders.

Most riders ride with more than one group and most groups are ridiculously cheap on a per year
basis. Once you're signed up you'll get their ride schedules and you can pick and choose what you
want to do on any given day. Most clubs are very friendly to newcomers and guests so get out there
and try a couple.
 
Tom asks: ...
> 1. What's a recovery ride with tempo pace?
Something easy-going, unlike the training ride that necessitates the recovery. (Can't help on
"tempo pace.)

> 2. Some rides are listed as "A", "B", or "C" road. What does this mean?
MPH classification. A is domestique-bringing-the-drinks pace (17-20). B is we're almost to
the restaurant pace (15-18). C is riding to work when you don't want to go (10-12--15). Your
pace may vary.

> 3. What's a pick-up ride?
One that's unscheduled or unorganized. Oh, wait, we're talking about a bike club; of course it's
unorganized. No cue sheet, no sag, sometimes it means whoever shows up decides on the pace and
route/destination.

> 4. When riding alone, I average 16-17 mph. What pace should I be able to maintain in a group?
Depends on the group. Locally we have a "club" of wannabees who typically ignore traffic signals
and ride in a fairly tight pack. They go about 18-25, depending. And there's another club that
ignores traffic signals (hey, is there a pattern here??) that gets strung out and might top at
18. If you're drafting or riding with folks who are nice enough to keep the group together, you
should be OK doing 18-20 most of the time.

--Karen M. no club
 
Does the group have a Web site? Many do, and they answer many of your questions, e.g.
http://www.bikepptc.org/classification.html As you can see, the higher speed rides often include
riding in a paceline. If you don't have experience in these, let the other riders know, and they
won't give you a rash about avoiding a pull at the front.

I second Helen's comments about different club's policy on dropped riders. Theoretically, at least
the ride leader should ride the advertised pace. Around here, it's common for group rides to go much
quicker than advertised. So you might want to be a big fish in a little pond until you get a feel
for the club.

Another caveat is the quality of the "cue sheet" for the ride. These are often 8½ x 11 sheets folded
into fourths with names of roads, cumulative miles, and miles between points. Some are abysmal, with
obsolete landmarks, etc. Another good idea for riding in a "slower" group; minimizing the chance of
getting dropped <and>lost.

I hope none of this discourages you from trying a group ride or two. They offer a change of scenery
as well as fellowship. Be ready to go at the advertised time, and be honest about your abilities and
experience. You'll have a ball.

baltobernie

<[email protected]> wrote in message news:230720030847238786%[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I've avoided group rides in the past, but I'm tired of getting brushed off the road by cars and
> > I figure a group should be safer. I've found some local rides for novice group riders, and I
> > have some questions about terminology:
>
> If you're getting brushed off the road you're not riding right. The way riding in a group will
> help is that people there can tell you how better to ride on the road. Group riding has it's own
> set of skills.
>
> >
> > 1. What's a recovery ride with tempo pace?
>
> A steady ride at an easier than race pace.
>
>
> >
> > 2. Some rides are listed as "A", "B", or "C" road. What does this mean?
>
> Levels of difficulty/speed/distance/hills
>
> >
> > 3. What's a pick-up ride?
>
> Usually it's an informal semi-scheduled ride where the participants decide where to go just before
> leaving. My old club called them show and go rides.
> >
> > 4. When riding alone, I average 16-17 mph. What pace should I be able to maintain in a group?
>
> Um, 16-17 mph? if you truly average 16-17 on the computer including hills, then with most clubs
> you would ride at a B level with little problem. If you cruise on the flat at 16-17 but don't
> usually go far (over 30 miles) or don't usually head for the hills you would most likely start
> as a C level rider. Most riders find they go a little faster and a little farther more easily
> with a group.
>
> When evaluating a group make sure you talk to someone on the phone and discuss how they handle
> dropped riders. Some groups like to hammer and it's every man for his'self. Others have strict no
> drop policies. Better yet, since you're a little nervous about being out by yourself, after
> talking to a club officer on the phone, head out to a start and talk to rank and file riders to
> see if actions match words with regards to dropped riders.
>
> Most riders ride with more than one group and most groups are ridiculously cheap on a per year
> basis. Once you're signed up you'll get their ride schedules and you can pick and choose what you
> want to do on any given day. Most clubs are very friendly to newcomers and guests so get out there
> and try a couple.
 
When you are deciding what ride to do--A, B, C, etc.--based on the group's definition (average
speed, miles, terrain) of those categories, be aware that rides often come in faster, longer, and
hillier than advertised. This is unfair to newcomers, who may be dropped, but it's quite typical in
the clubs I ride with.

But, in turn, be fair about your abilities. Clubs around here suggest that newcomers ride a level
below what they think they can handle for the first ride or two. It's not fun to hold a group of
faster, stronger riders up, making them wait at the top of every hill or turn.

It helps to know the ride leader's predilections, which you won't. Some are good about keeping the
pace, others not; some are good about keeping an eye on the back of the group, others oblivious.
With less-experienced riders, these traits can significantly influence whether you enjoy your
experience with that club. But always enjoy the ride. --Roy Zipris
 
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