I agree, $25 is a stiff price for a biker or backpacker, especially as we are low-cost guests (just one shower; no heavy, road-beating vehicle; little or no trash). You might try a lower-cost alternative: the MA state park system, which, for MA residents, charges from $8 to $15 for campsites, first-come, first-served (i.e., not using the reservation system). If the campground's full, then you can always revert to Plan B.coolworx said:Anyone else think it's ridiculous to pay $25 for a campsite that you might use for 11hrs?
I was walking my dog on my local Rail-Trail and when passed by a Cycling Camper I was thinking what my town would do if they just set up camp for the night along the trail. My guess is you end in Jail.coolworx said:Anyone else think it's ridiculous to pay $25 for a campsite that you might use for 11hrs?
I've yet to have a problem finding an out-of-the-way 10X10 piece of off-the-road forest to set up my bivy, and fire up the stove for a carbo-laden dinner.
coolworx said:Anyone else think it's ridiculous to pay $25 for a campsite that you might use for 11hrs?
I've yet to have a problem finding an out-of-the-way 10X10 piece of off-the-road forest to set up my bivy, and fire up the stove for a carbo-laden dinner.
meanderthal said:I agree, $25 is a stiff price for a biker or backpacker, especially as we are low-cost guests (just one shower; no heavy, road-beating vehicle; little or no trash). You might try a lower-cost alternative: the MA state park system, which, for MA residents, charges from $8 to $15 for campsites, first-come, first-served (i.e., not using the reservation system). If the campground's full, then you can always revert to Plan B.
Yes, actually they do. Squirrels don't sue the property owner if they're injured on premises, so they aren't bound by trespass laws. We should respect the property owner and not put him at risk of losing property, savings, kids' college educations, and in general ruining his life because we want to save a few bucks. Thoreauvian or not, there's nothing silly about being considerate.coolworx said:Even $8 to $15 kinda pisses me off....
As a fellow Masshole, you should appreciate the Thoreau-ian idea that a man should be able to freely lay his head on his homeplanet - I mean... do squirrels have more rights than bikepackers???! ;-)
meanderthal said:Yes, actually they do. Squirrels don't sue the property owner if they're injured on premises, so they aren't bound by trespass laws. We should respect the property owner and not put him at risk of losing property, savings, kids' college educations, and in general ruining his life because we want to save a few bucks. Thoreauvian or not, there's nothing silly about being considerate.
Public property is safer from our litigiousness. It's harder to sue a government, and even if we do and win, the cost is spread over the taxpayer base, not just one. So try to camp there instead (where legal), and keep the adventure untainted.
p.s. Even if you're not the litigious type, if you make an injury claim your own insurance company may go after the property owner to recover their payout. Your own good intentions are not always enough.
I haven't proven anything; I was restating established truth. Honest, I did not change reality, I just expressed reality, which was that way when I found it. You don't camp on private property? Good. You don't want squirrels' unbounded rights? Sensible. Ride on!coolworx said:BAHHHH! All you've proved is that there's too many sign-makers and too many f'n lawyers. Shakespeare was SOOOOO right.
Besides, I'm not camping in somebody's backyard. This is on desolate county roads - where most of the land is public way. And hell, I pay enough in Taxachusetts to make use of a patch of forest.
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