Hard evidence of U.S. torturing prisoners to death ignored by corporate media

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  1. Wurm

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    Military autopsy reports provide indisputable proof that detainees are being tortured to death while in US military custody. Yet the US corporate media are covering it with the seriousness of a garage sale for the local Baptist Church.

    A recent American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) posting of one of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: "Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq."

    The ACLU website further reveals how: "a 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. The exact cause of death was "undetermined" although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death.

    Another Iraqi detainee died on January 9, 2004, in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated. He was standing, shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth, at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries.

    So read several of the 44 US military autopsy reports on the ACLU website -evidence of extensive abuse of US detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan 2002 through 2004. Anthony Romero, Executive Director of ACLU stated, "There is no question that US interrogations have resulted in deaths." ACLU attorney Amrit Sing adds, "These documents present irrefutable evidence that US operatives tortured detainees to death during interrogations."

    Additionally, ACLU reports that in April 2003, Secretary Rumsfeld authorized the use of "environmental manipulation" as an interrogation technique in Guantánamo Bay. In September 2003, Lt. Gen. Sanchez also authorized this technique for use in Iraq. So responsibility for these human atrocities goes directly to the highest levels of power.

    A press release on these deaths by torture was issued by the ACLU on October 25, 2005 and was immediately picked up by Associated Press and United Press International wire services, making the story available to US corporate media nationwide. A thorough check of Nexus-Lexus and Proquest electronic data bases, using the keywords ACLU and autopsy, showed that at least 95 percent of the daily papers in the US didn't bother to pick up the story. The Los Angeles Times covered the story on page A-4 with a 635-word report headlined "Autopsies Support Abuse Allegations." Fewer than a dozen other daily newspapers including: Bangor Daily News, Maine, page 8; Telegraph-Herald, Dubuque Iowa, page 6; Charleston Gazette, page 5; Advocate, Baton Rouge, page 11; and a half dozen others actually covered the story. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Seattle Times buried the story inside general Iraq news articles. USA Today posted the story on their website. MSNBC posted the story to their website, but apparently did not consider it newsworthy enough to air on television.

    "The Randi Rhodes Show," on Air America Radio, covered the story. AP/UPI news releases and direct quotes from the ACLU website appeared widely on internet sites and on various news-based listservs around the world, including Common Dreams, Truthout, New Standard, Science Daily, and numerous others.


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    Is it any wonder that many GOP voters are still supporting the Bush junta, since the truth about BushCo is rarely heard?
     
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  2. Wurm

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    This story needs to be known, so I say...UP!
     
  3. FredC

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    WTF do you expect from your lot of brown nosed shirt tail lifters, and turd punchers? They are only in there for the old boiled bones.
    Hows PC Christmas going? You merchant banker?
     
  4. limerickman

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    Terrible stuff : and unfortunately what you have written above, is only the tip of the iceberg one fears.

    I can't help but feel that despite what several posters here claim, the American public does actually support Bush and his war tactics and, by definition, what his armed forces are doing to people in custody.

    I attended a public address here last week by Cindy Sheehan.
    She described the lack of information and the distortion of what is happening in Iraq, by the US media as being part of the problem.

    She also discussed how she met Bush in the aftermath of her son's death.
    She brought photographs of her son to the meeting with Bush - and she referred to her son by her first name when speaking to Bush.
    She noted that Bush never actually referred to her son in name - but kept referring to the "loss of the lovedone" "the passing of the lovedone", in reply.
    Her take on it was the Bush's demeanour to cope with all of this required him to refer to casualties in an abstract (lovedone) rather than personal way.

    Bush doesn't give a crap eitherway.

    But your media ought to.
     
  5. Wurm

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    Nope, they're bought-and-paid-for. Part of the corporate takeover of democracy and America.

    Note to FredC -

    Sorry, but you assume wrongly again: I don't play any of that PC crap. So, now that you're aware of it, you can go fuck your fascist self. :mad:

    Is that PC enough for you, shithead??
     
  6. limerickman

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    The degeneration in standards is apparent : Bob Woodward admitted that he had been briefed to publish the identity of Valerie Plame as long ago as two years ago.
    A young Woodward would have blown the whistle on the guys doing the briefing but these days, he's content to be regarded as an "elder statesman"
    and to do nothing.

    Is there no public broadcasting media over there?

    I know DB disagrees with me but I think the BBC do a fine job, they're impartial.
     
  7. Wurm

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    Well, I though you Brits had a law that the national media has to show both sides of an issue equally, hence Beeb's somewhat fairer reporting?

    No such law here that regulates the mass media. It has gotten to the point where you have to go to the indy and non-mainstream sources if you hope to learn anything near the actual reality of what's happening.
     
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    It would be fair to say that the BBC could be a lot worse. :p

    OTOH they totally caved in to the Government over the amazing suidical WMD expert. The BBC caved in to the point where they allowed their entire structure and news departments be directly re-arranged by Tory Bliar. Not saying they had any choice, but it's about as independant as an entirely Cabinet appointed House of Lords (ie: not at all)...

    I don't see how anyone can claim the BBC is impartial when Alistair Campbell successfully had the reporters and editors removed for publishing a story that was 100% correct. The Hutton inquiry into it is the only joke that is bigger and less funny. The result was certain within the second day of Hutton being on the case. He appeared on national news staggering out of a "hearing" clearly piss-drunk with his spectacles hanging off one ear and having trouble saying "Inquiry" without slurring.
     
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    Christ! You'd think a man in his position would've put on a better show than that, but at least Hutton has the excuse that he was well lit.

    We of course have The Arrogant King of Stupid right in D.C., who routinely shows his ass while stone sober.


    lim -

    Woodward is a farce, as is 99% of the corporate media in this country. From what I've seen thus far, he lost any cred he had left from the Watergate era with his shameless involvement in the Plame treachery.
     
  10. wolfix

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    I would think the Europeans would learn ...... ..... We have watched Europe in the past century sit by and allow Germany and the Soviet Union provide the world with the greatest human rights violations the world has ever known. So , in the larger scope of things, Europe should sit back and take notes as how to keep peace at home.
    And oh yeah ...... It's coming again to Europe in the form of small revolutionary groups...... Just yesterday in Greece.... How many bombs do we have going off in America??? Maybe they should look and learn.
    A few people tortured??? Small price to pay if it helps prevent another 9/11...... And somehow I really doubt if there are many "innocent" people being tortured. The Bush agenda is not to torture innocent people. Anyone who claims such things are complete fools. Bush was elected by the American people to protect US citizens. Not to protect the Islamic people. {Unless US citizens } He should never risk one American life to protect anyone in the Islamic world. {non-citizen]
    Europe needs to open it's eyes to Iran at this moment. Most of the saber rattling being done by Iran is aimed at Europe. And Europe is a easier target then the US.......
    A "dirty bomb" in Paris ???? Might be closer to reality then what we want to admit.
    There is a "cultural war" going on in the world. The recent racial riots in France and Australia are proof of this. 9/11 brought this "war" to American shores and to the everyday reality of the average American.
    As far Cindy Sheehan goes, there was an interesting show on the other night. Mrs. Sheehan is not supported by the majority of the other mothers who have lost sons......
    The typical American knows what to believe.... It's usually the far right and far left that make the news, but they usually lose the elections.
    The far left has never had much of an audience in this country. They sit and punch at their laptops and watch "political comedy shows", but in the long run all they really do is just re-cycle the info among themselves. They love to talk and to listen to themselves. The far right, which I also disagree with on many points handle things differently. They get things done. They go to work. They know exactly what they believe in. They want results. The far left always talks about "the way things should be", while the right always talks in terms of the "way things are."
    What I get a kick out of is this .........The right claims all media is biased towards the left, and the left is claiming the right is in control of the media. I do know this ... I watch the BBC and it too distorts certain things accordingly to what the storyline that they want told.
    Propaganda is an interesting tool. I was an advertising major in college in an excellent program. And basically advertising is propaganda. Everyone always has something to sell. I had a brilliant man in the advertising world tell me that "never trust a man writing a book." [Meaning non-fiction] And that was pretty good advice. Books that do not have a new angle to something do not make the NY Times best sellers list.

    Everyone in America knows what oil means to this country and the role it plays in many decisions of our political leaders. Oil is the life force of the human race.
     
  11. Wurm

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    I suppose there will always be someone who'll try to justify it. Hitler saw "good reason" to exterminate Jews and others too, and he needed the oil from Romania & the Caucases, et al.
     
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    For an interesting view of Cindy Sheehan and ALL of her supporters:
    http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/mother-sheehans-book-signing


    And is you must compare Hitler with someone in the Iraq arena, how about Saddam? I think using wmds on your own people (Kurds) would qualify.
     
  13. limerickman

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    The fact of the matter is that it you're trying to knit a wide range of diverse issues to try to justify torture.

    The first principal here, Wolf, is that "we" are supposed to be held to a higher standard than "them".
    "We" being sovereign countries, "them" being everyone else.

    Your country signed up to the Geneva protocols : your country claims not to endorse torture.
    Whether it is "a small price to pay" is too high a price, even if one person is tortured.
    But it's not only one person.

    You have people incarcerated in legal limbo in Cuba (Guantanmo) for nearly 4 years, you have over 800 CIA registered planes flying around the world transporting people under rendition - torture.
    You have people systematically physically, mentally, sexually tortured in Abu Ghuraib,
    You have people ystematically physically, mentally, sexually tortured in two other prisons in Iraq under Iraqi State control, administered by the USA.
    You have people ystematically physically, mentally, sexually tortured at Bagram Airbase, US Airbase in Afghanistan.
    I have only highlighted the cases that we know about.
    Throw in the indiscriminate bombing of Iraq : the deliberate shooting of Iraqi's by "contractors".
    Include the tactics employed at Fallujah in 2004.
    "a small price" : being paid by whom exactly ?

    Europe has had it fair share of wars, granted.

    Your country sat by for a major part of those wars, while events played themselves out over here.


    Over 2,000 of your countries troops have died in Iraq since Mar 2003.
    They were sent there because of a lie about WMD.


    Truth is the first casualty of all wars.

    But the Bush goverment wrote an entire chapter in making the truth the victim in the run up to war !

    And finally, the Nazi's and Pol Pot insisted on burning books in their respective countries.
    Surely you don't endorse the burning of non-faction books as well ?
     
  14. Wurm

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    The only thing that will "prevent another 9/11" is if the BushCo/Neo Cons decide that they don't need to stage a similar mass murder again.
     
  15. Colorado Ryder

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    Yes the US did sit out. They were wars started by Europeans. The US was very isolationist in the 1930's. The US had already seen one war in Europe. The Europeans didn't care what the US thoughts were for the post WW1. Wilson told France and England that there were major issues with the Verailles Treaty. The US signed a separate peace treaty with Germany. France and England were more interested in punishing Germany and thereby creating causes for a new war.
    US sentiment in the 1930's was that it wasn't worth US lives to fight a European war.

    And while we're critizing other nations for sitting out, why didn't the Europeans come to the Koreans aid in 1931 when Japan invaded? Why didn't the Europeans come to the Chinese side in 1936?
     
  16. limerickman

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    I think Wolf was trying to make the point that the threat that the USA faces now, is similar to the threat posed to Europe in 1935-1939.

    In respect of 9/11, the USA was attacked.
    Europe was attacked only after 9/11and on the basis - so we have been told - because certain countries in Europe backed the USA in invading Iraq.
     
  17. Carrera

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    A recent poll produced results that surprised me. It didn't alter my view that going to war in Iraq was a bad idea but I was surprised that many Iraqis feel optimistic for their future as a possible democracy. More Iraqis now have home comforts and satellite TV than ever before and this is something they do feel happy about.
    Only a small percentage of Iraqis opposed the war. But a far bigger percentage of Iraqis are very concerned over security and another large percentage feel the U.S. has handled security badly.
    I think the Beeb and Guardian have been exaggerating how Iraqis feel. It's also the case that probably a minority of US troops have been abusing their responsibilities. Many of the troops are acting more professionally.
    Don't get me wrong, I still oppose the war but we need to bear in mind some Iraqis are glad Saddam has gone.
     
  18. limerickman

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    Kudo's to Senator John McCain for sticking to his guns and drafting the legislation prohibiting the use of torture by the USA.

    Despite Cheney's best efforts, the legislation was passed.
     
  19. NYYTEX22

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    What do you expect they do? Do you think any of those people who have sympathy for doing it to an american soilder or civilian. U.S. contractors are kidnapped, tortured, and finally killed due to the fact that they believe we are "The Great Satan". We do it, so we can figure out where the biggest threats are, and neutralize them.
     
  20. MountainPro

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    Wolfix, to be fair, i think a lot of Americans belive Europe to be a nation instead of a group of independant countries.

    If we (Britian) stood by and watched the rise of Nazi Germany then so did America. Britian eventually stepped in to help others, America stepped in to help itself. Make no mistake, American involvement in WW2 was about protecting American interests, nothing else.

     
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