Haro Extremem X3 pricing

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Candt, Mar 13, 2003.

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  1. Candt

    Candt Guest

    Hi there,

    I've read all the reviews, and looked at the amazing spec on the Haro Extreme X3
    - and now really want one - bad... The problem is - here in the UK - it's 1200 GBP - thats about
    1900 USD !!!!

    Now - in the US - its 600 USD's less. So - is there an online bike retailer for Haro which will ship
    from the US to the UK? What would the import duty be on this, if I found one, and got caught? Is it
    a good idea? Does anyone know of any UK/EUR places that have a good price for this bike?

    Sorry - I ask too many questions ;-)

    And before anyone asks - no, I won't send you the money for you to get one for
    me....

    Cheers

    CandT
     
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  2. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    CandT <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Hi there,
    >
    > I've read all the reviews, and looked at the amazing spec on the Haro Extreme X3
    > - and now really want one - bad... The problem is - here in the UK - it's 1200 GBP - thats about
    > 1900 USD !!!!
    >
    > Now - in the US - its 600 USD's less. So - is there an online bike retailer for Haro which will
    > ship from the US to the UK? What would the import duty be on this, if I found one, and got caught?
    > Is it a good idea? Does anyone know of any UK/EUR places that have a good price for this bike?
    >

    The reality is you will not save money. To the US price add $150-200 shipping then add duty at 14.8%
    then add VAT at 17.5%. On that basis the $1200 US price becomes $1800 delivered here. Then what
    happens when you discover its arrived with a dented top tube? You will not avoid duty and VAT
    because you won't want to take the risk of it being uninsured in transit which means it goes via a
    reputable courier which means they go through the correct channels.

    You could spend the difference on a holiday in the US and bring one back but you would have to
    smuggle it through customs and bikes are not that small to hide. You may or may not get away with it
    but remember the customs officers are experts at the smuggling game and you are an amateur ( I
    hope). If you do buy in the US remember you have to add state taxes to the price shown - typically
    10% - and there are few shops that are geared up to deal with tax free export. Some states like
    Vermont have zero sales tax but most don't.

    You might think from the above I work for Customs and Excise but I don't. I have bought back a lot
    of bikes over the years from business trips so have a fair bit of experience of how it works

    Tony

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  3. Candt

    Candt Guest

    On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:52:20 -0000, "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >The reality is you will not save money. To the US price add $150-200 shipping then add duty at
    >14.8% then add VAT at 17.5%. On that basis the $1200 US price becomes $1800 delivered here. Then
    >what happens when you discover its arrived with a dented top tube? You will not avoid duty and VAT
    >because you won't want to take the risk of it being uninsured in transit which means it goes via a
    >reputable courier which means they go through the correct channels.
    >
    >You could spend the difference on a holiday in the US and bring one back but you would have to
    >smuggle it through customs and bikes are not that small to hide. You may or may not get away with
    >it but remember the customs officers are experts at the smuggling game and you are an amateur ( I
    >hope). If you do buy in the US remember you have to add state taxes to the price shown - typically
    >10% - and there are few shops that are geared up to deal with tax free export. Some states like
    >Vermont have zero sales tax but most don't.
    >
    >You might think from the above I work for Customs and Excise but I don't. I have bought back a lot
    >of bikes over the years from business trips so have a fair bit of experience of how it works
    >
    >Tony

    Well and truly blows that idea out of the water eh!

    Thanks for a full and frank reply... Still begs the question why there is a $600 difference though -
    can't image Haro have to go through all of that to ship the bikes accross - and in Oz - its still
    sub 1000 GBP.. Not another case of rip-off Britain surely?

    CandT
     
  4. Daniel Parry

    Daniel Parry Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven wrote:
    > I have bought back a lot of bikes over the years from business trips so have a fair bit of
    > experience of how it works

    So, you'd class yourself as an expert at the smuggling game, then? ^_-

    Jus' kiddin'

    Dan
     
  5. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    Daniel Parry <[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, Tony Raven wrote:
    >> I have bought back a lot of bikes over the years from business trips so have a fair bit of
    >> experience of how it works
    >
    > So, you'd class yourself as an expert at the smuggling game, then? ^_-
    >

    Only past my significant other - but compared to her eagle eye I'm still an amateur

    Tony

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  6. Tony Raven

    Tony Raven Guest

    CandT <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Well and truly blows that idea out of the water eh!
    >
    > Thanks for a full and frank reply... Still begs the question why there is a $600 difference though
    > - can't image Haro have to go through all of that to ship the bikes accross - and in Oz - its
    > still sub 1000 GBP.. Not another case of rip-off Britain surely?
    >

    I think I answered that question. Its almost all down to the differences in government tax and duty.
    There is small misleading effect from the way things are priced. In the US they price without tax
    and add the taxes on at the shop till. So if a bike is priced at $1000 you will actually pay around
    $1100. It varies from state to state and some have zero tax and out of state mail order can be tax
    free in some cases. Most of your $600 though is going into Gordon Brown's coffers so he can afford
    to bomb ChIraq. Funny that when the government castigated rip off Britain it was actually the
    government doing the ripping off.

    Tony
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  7. Albert

    Albert Guest

    "CandT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Well and truly blows that idea out of the water eh!
    >
    > Thanks for a full and frank reply... Still begs the question why there is a $600 difference though
    > - can't image Haro have to go through all of that to ship the bikes accross - and in Oz - its
    > still sub 1000 GBP.. Not another case of rip-off Britain surely?
    >
    > CandT

    first off, congratulations on your choice of Haro ... Top make, (I have one) top guy, a hero of mine
    since I was a wee bmx'er.

    second, if I was going to buy a £1200 bike I would want a minimum £200 discount off the shop price.
    minimum (for cash) and I'd want a bunch of free stuff like pumps and lights and a back rub.

    if you can, wait six months and the price *will* come down and if you can wait 12 months I'd be
    surprised if you didn't get it for £700.

    bikes are waaay overpriced, imho.

    good luck

    Albert
     
  8. Candt

    Candt Guest

    On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 20:15:32 -0000, "Albert" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >second, if I was going to buy a £1200 bike I would want a minimum £200 discount off the shop price.
    >minimum (for cash) and I'd want a bunch of free stuff like pumps and lights and a back rub.
    >
    >if you can, wait six months and the price *will* come down and if you can wait 12 months I'd be
    >surprised if you didn't get it for £700.
    >
    >bikes are waaay overpriced, imho.
    >
    >
    >good luck
    >
    >
    >
    >Albert
    >

    I probably will be waiting a while, due to the amount I've spent on upgrading the components on my
    current hardtail ('But dearset, and XT rear mech will probably save my life one day', 'but these
    tires aren't safe, my sweet', 'Ooh, my arse is a bit sore love, think I might need another saddle' -
    you get the jist) !!!

    Your LBS point seems to imply that they will give hefty discounts? Do they all so this if you pay
    cash? Does that apply to debit cards (as good as cash). I can also only find a couple of Haro
    dealers online, and certainly have not heard of any local ones, other than for BMX bikes (South
    Wales), any ideas for a good source then?

    Cheers,

    CandT
     
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    Candt Guest

  10. Call Me Bob

    Call Me Bob Guest

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:03:42 GMT, CandT <[email protected]> wrote:

    >New Flash!
    >
    >Just found it on http://www.bonthronebikes.co.uk for £899 - 300 notes off the RRP???? Is this
    >right, and legit?

    Never dealt with them myself but Bonthrone are a well established dealer who seem to specialise in
    discounted models. I'd be happy placing that sort of order with them. Fill yer boots. :eek:)

    Bob
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