Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Larry Varney" <
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>>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>As stated above, I read for the overall sense of what is
>>>being said. You should try it sometime yourself. As far
>>>as I am concerned, you leave way
>
> too
>
>>>many statements just hanging unconnected to anything. So
>>>I have to make
>
> the
>
>>>connections for you. And you never come to a conclusion
>>>about anything. Consequently, many of your posts strike
>>>me as being pointless. But I am
>
> very
>
>>>good at completing other's thoughts and coming to
>>>conclusions. It is
>
> what I
>
>>>do best in life. If you do not want others doing it for
>>>you, then do it yourself.
>>>
>>>Is Bigha good value or isn't it? That is the question
>>>that Lorenzo and I would like you to answer.
>>>
>>
>> ROTFL! You may "read for the overall sense", and yet
>> you come to completely incorrect conclusions. You claim
>> I am saying something that is not to be found, not in
>> the slightest, in anything I've written. You connect
>> what I have written with things that are only in your
>> mind, and then blame ME for the result. My points are
>> always clear, and I state them, over and over again, in
>> the hopes that perhaps someday someone can help you
>> understand. You do not need to complete my thoughts on
>> this issue, Dolan, nor do you need to come to any other
>> conclusions than this: there are many criteria involved
>> in buying things, including bikes. Some criteria are
>> weighted more, some less, depending solely on the
>> individual. Do you understand, Dolan? Do I need to use
>> different words? Perhaps put it all in some sort of
>> outline?
>
>
> But you do not know how to weigh anything. You think
> perhaps that the quality of the components is the equal of
> the overall weight of the bike or of the price. That is
> why I regard you as an idiot. Also, criteria never depend
> solely on the individual. There are always universal
> criteria and if the individual does not recognize those
> universal criteria, well then the individual is an idiot -
> which you prove every time you post.
>
>
Wrong again, Dolan. I do know how to weigh the different
criteria. I just don't take the arrogant stance that *my*
subjective weighing is the only, the correct, the best
for everyone. Have I said anything remotely like the
quality of the components being the equal of the overall
weight or the price? Nope, never did - and yet, for
*something I never said or wrote*, you think I'm an
idiot. What does that make you, Dolan, for condeming me
for something I never said? And as for the "universal
criteria" - Dolan, what the hell are you talking about?
NO ONE has said there aren't criteria that would apply to
just about everything - remember, I'm the one who keeps
pointing out to you and your friend, that there are more
than two to consider - it's the relative importance of
those criteria that matter - to the individual.
>> Maybe if you thought about what I've said, and tried to
>> see if you agreed with me or not, that might help. So
>> let's hear it: do you agree, or disagree, that there
>> are many criteria involved in buying things, and that
>> different people weigh those criteria differently? Yes
>> or no, Dolan. Or do you need me to make it even
>> simpler?
>
>
> I disagree with what you have said above. You have made it
> way too subjective. There are always objective criteria
> which have nothing to do with what any individuals might
> think because individuals can think wrongly due to
> ignorance or just plain lack of knowledge. I believe that
> is what Lorenzo is saying is that Bigha will not market to
> recumbent shops and to sophisticated recumbent buyers.
> Instead they are catering to ignoramuses - and you are
> supporting this fiasco by defending Bigha the way you do.
> But you are not fooling me or anyone else here who knows
> anything about recumbents. We know that a recumbent is
> mainly a frame and wheels and that weight and price are
> important and everything else is Mickey Mouse no matter
> what some "individuals" might think is important.
>
Nonsense. There are no "objective" criteria - and I'll
take just one to illustrate it. How about price? Just
what specific dollar figure is too high? If it were
objective, there would be just one number, right? But
there isn't - it's all relative. And of course
individuals can think wrongly, due to ignorance. We see
that all the time - just look at the people who are
condeming bikes they have never seen nor ridden. How much
better an illustration of ignorance can there be? And off
again with that silliness of my "defending" the BiGHA.
There's a term for people like you, and you've been using
it quite a bit in this latest post of yours.
>
>> As for what you and Love want - which, apparently, is
>> for me to decide for you the value of the BiGHA bike -
>> why ask me? Am I the sole arbiter of worth? Do you
>> trust, or need, me to decide whether or not a
>> particular bike is a good value? If I say yes, will you
>> go out and buy one? If I say no, will you not buy one?
>
>
> But are you not a reviewer for Bike Rider Online? It is
> your duty to advise the less knowledgeable if a bike is a
> good buy or not. If you do not doing this very elementary
> thing, then you are failing in your duty as a reviewer. If
> I were Ball, I would fire you for dereliction of duty.
>
My duty? To advise people about whether or not a bike is
a good buy, *when I have already explained that I haven't
ridden it*? Only fools, morons, idiots and the ignorant
do that, Dolan - you should know that. And no, I am not a
reviewer for Bike Rider Online. But if I were, and if I
had reviewed the BiGHA, I would give my opinions as to
how it rode, what it weighed, all of the things that I
noticed about it. But "derelliction of duty" for not
giving my evaluation of a bike I've never ridden - keep
it up, Dolan, we all need a good laugh, even at the
expense of the truly stupid.
>
>> You and Love should be able to figure it all by now,
>> Dolan. It's not a difficult conclusion to come to. But,
>> just in case you really do need for me to tell you what
>> to think and what to conclude, here it is: The value of
>> anything, including the BiGHA, is determined by each
>> individual. Each individual should be able to come to a
>> decision as to whether or not it's worth the asking
>> price. This goes for bikes, trikes, horses, cars,
>> hamburgers, you name it.
>
>
> No, we have fundamental disagreement here. There are
> always universal criteria for determining the value for
> price for any product. I spent many hours as a youth
> reading Consumer's Reports and Consumer's Digest reviews
> of various products. It is not up to the individual to
> decide these things. It is up to honest reviewers who
> are expert to give the rest of us a clue as to what is
> good value and what is not good value.What does the
> average consumer know about anything when you get right
> down to it?
>
>
Again, nonsense. It is always up to the individual,
because it is the individual who pays the money and uses
the product. You may be more than willing to put your
brain in neutral and let other people do your thinking
for you, but the rest of us are not.
>> Now, if you truly do need me or anyone else to tell you
>> which is a
>> good value in any or all of these items, then you really
>> do have my pity.
>
>
> I would like you to tell me what is good value because you
> have had an opportunity to test ride various recumbents
> which I can never do. I rely on a reviewer for information
> of all kinds. This is why I have been reading RCN all
> these many years and why I don't bother with Bike Rider
> Online which I understand you are affiliated with. Why
> should I read your reviews if you are not going tell me
> what is a good buy and what is not a good buy.
>
> If you have test ridden the Bigha, now is the time to tell
> us if it is a good buy or not. Once you have told us that,
> we will know what to think of you as a reviewer.
>
Dolan, when I get a chance to ride a BiGHA - for
something more than a trip around a parking lot, of
course - all that would tell anyone is whether or not the
tires are flat - I'll let you know what you should think.
How's that?
--
Larry Varney Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney
