Well I finally got stung on Ebay
. True, it was largely my fault not requesting better pics and asking more questions.
A Trek Y22 came up which I just had to have, especially being one of the few in large size of the later OCLV frame. True, the seller did say it was a "bit rough" but looked not too bad in the pics (watch out for black bikes with their pics taken in a darkened room!). So I won it, paying more than I should have, but you know how it can be when you've decided a bike is meant for you.
What a shock when I got it (well at least I did get it!). No1 thing was pedal sticking thru side of box. Turns out the person who packed it couldn't get the pedal off (definitely not a cyclist not knowing about left hand threads). The stem plate screws and front wheel skewer were simply thrown in the box....and the box had small holes, hence the little list of hardware items to find elsewhere before I could even ride it. But talk about a "bit rough"! Gouges in the handlebar where you wouldn't think possible; dents in the URT, worn shock bushings that go clunk when you lift the bike, worn pivot bushing, plastic caps in the ends of the handlebars that had been broken off long ago etc. At least the main part of the frame was actually not too bad with some paint scratched off, but being black on carbon it's not that obvious. Most important at least was the frame size was correct. The worst part was when I discovered the URT was chromoly and not alloy....I'd say the original URT had been broken and replaced with one off a Y1 or Y3. (Problem is the later alloy URT looks like the chromoly ones so I never suspected this). Bloody heavy for a carbon bike at about 1kg heavier than my all alIoy Y5. I worked out that the main carbon part of the frame had been replaced under warranty, so obviously the guy busted that too.
Seems like it had been used as a downhill bike; the seat post had been shortened by means of a tube cutter. The rear wheel had been beefed up too...about twice the number of spokes (and heavier). Why the odd pedals (one Redline, the other Shimano) and the two differing models of Gripshifter and brake lever I'll never know. Funny thing is it was fitted with slicks when I got it...not what you'd expect to find on a bike treated like that. Still, a good excuse to buy some new WTB VelociRaptors for it.
It was just sad to see that somone would treat a bike (esp a high end carbon one) this way, but I had no choice but to gradually rebuild it, given the seller was 1000's of miles away. I'm still in the process of doing this and I'm glad to say it's improving markedly for each thing I replace.
The guy I had bought this off had only sold one thing before (an outboard motor) and had positive feedback. By the time I received the Y22, he'd sold two other bikes...both with negative feedback.
So, the lesson is, ask for close up pics first.