Hazard of cycling as we get older



In article <[email protected]>,
Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:

> OT: Typing with cycling gloves on is a pain.


I bet not half as bad as trying to count change.
Especially with gloves with even the slightest
amount of padding.


cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> OT: Typing with cycling gloves on is a pain.

>
> I bet not half as bad as trying to count change.
> Especially with gloves with even the slightest
> amount of padding.


Very true. I've taken to stuffing my gloves in one of my pockets
when I go marketing. [1] It's easier to pop them on and off than to
look like a fumble fingered idiot.

[1] Have I mentioned how much I love cargo shorts for cycle shopping?
It's brilliant to be able to have my keys, wallet, cellphone, canvas
shopping tote, and still have places to stuff my glasses, gloves,
shopping list etc..
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:54:33 -0000, Dane Jackson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>> Luigi de Guzman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> > Hell, is there anyone on this ng under 30?


I'm 24.

>I'm still here, I've just been excesssively busy with non-bicycling things.
>Not that I'm not riding, just I haven't been reading the group lately. I'm


You're lucky. I've been excessively busy with non-bicycling things,
and mostly during times that I would ride. My riding is suffering.

>trying to catch up. Only 2400 more articles to go...


Do what I did: Shove 'em off into a folder somewhere, intending to
read them in the future, then forget and never read 'em.

>And yes I just turned 29 recently. Though if I don't curb my excessive


I'm turning 25 soon. Can I get a birthday present?

>OT: Typing with cycling gloves on is a pain.


Your gloves are too small.
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:23:33 -0000, Dane Jackson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[1] Have I mentioned how much I love cargo shorts for cycle shopping?
> It's brilliant to be able to have my keys, wallet, cellphone, canvas
> shopping tote, and still have places to stuff my glasses, gloves,
> shopping list etc..


Last year for my birthday, got "casual" cycling shorts, baggy over
spandex, with a zippered pocket. They're great for shopping.
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[email protected] (Joe Davidson) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am 62 and getting older at the rate of one year per year. Since
> childhood I have bicycled, both around the block and on 450 mile per
> week tours. My bicycle is my most important material possession.
>
> Recently a friend my age fell and broke his hip. He is now fully
> healed, but has sworn off bicycles saying that the injury rate
> increases sharply as we age. Another friend, who has not been
> injured, has quit for the same reason.
>
> Does anyone know if this is true? Please tell me it is not.


I believe its the July 2004 issue of Bicycling that has an article on
a man who is riding at age 90. If the injury rate goes up sharply
with age, he sure is defying the odds.
 
Joe Davidson writes:

> I am 62 and getting older at the rate of one year per year. Since
> childhood I have bicycled, both around the block and on 450 mile per
> week tours. My bicycle is my most important material possession.


> Recently a friend my age fell and broke his hip. He is now fully
> healed, but has sworn off bicycles saying that the injury rate
> increases sharply as we age. Another friend, who has not been
> injured, has quit for the same reason.


> Does anyone know if this is true? Please tell me it is not.


Well it is true in a few ways. Mental speed slows down for some folks
more than others but being quick and making the right decisions
doesn't get better after about retirement age. Bones that wouldn't
break at age 20 break more easily at advanced age. Riders who started
riding after their teens often never achieve the natural responses of
one who has ridden a bicycle aggressively from early youth. Of course
this is a statistical matter but as a rule it holds true. You don't
have to be a bicyclist to discover this. Just ask your MD about it.
On the other hand it has not stopped me from hot-rodding down paved
roads and mountain trails. A hip fracture in 1989 did not stop me
from riding as soon as possible and subsequently falling without
incident often thereafter.

Then:
http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
and Now:
http://tinyurl.com/a9g7

30 years later.

Jobst Brandt
[email protected]
 
>Just ask your MD about it.
>On the other hand it has not stopped me from hot-rodding down paved
>roads and mountain trails. A hip fracture in 1989 did not stop me
>from riding as soon as possible and subsequently falling without
>incident often thereafter.
>
>Then:
>http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
>and Now:
>http://tinyurl.com/a9g7
>
>30 years later.
>
>Jobst Brandt
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>


Those bike frames look like they have tall stem sections.
Are you guys tall?
 
>Just ask your MD about it.
>On the other hand it has not stopped me from hot-rodding down paved
>roads and mountain trails. A hip fracture in 1989 did not stop me
>from riding as soon as possible and subsequently falling without
>incident often thereafter.
>
>Then:
>http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
>and Now:
>http://tinyurl.com/a9g7
>
>30 years later.
>
>Jobst Brandt
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>
>
>


Those bike frames look like they have tall stem sections.
Are you guys tall?
 
On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:20:27 GMT, S o r n i <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Raoul Duke wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Then:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
>>> and Now:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/a9g7
>>>
>>> 30 years later.

>>
>> Gotta give you credit. You look terrific.

>
> Get a room.
>
> Bill "got a pic with 3 childhood pals in same pose 20 years apart; need
> to
> do a 40 (!) some day" S.
>
>

The only thing I can add to this thread is the hazard of NOT cycling,
or doing something as we get older. My grandmother had a television
that only got used when we came over to visit, always on the go and
made it to 100. Only a broken hip sustained while going down a bad
set of stairs to her garden did her in. As my father was fond of
saying "Use it or lose it.". Very true. Any money that would have
gone into an entertainment center goes into my riding, bike, food, etc.
I knew one old guy who sold me a bike because of his arthritis, which
was not that bad, and he died within 2 years of inactivity. He kind of
made the point for me that if I can walk to the bike and get on, then
I am damn well going to do it.
Bill Baka


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"Bill Baka" wrote: (clip) I knew one old guy who sold me a bike because of
his arthritis, which was not that bad, and he died within 2 years of
inactivity. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I could have been that guy, except I'm still alive. My doctor urged me to
keep up the cycling in spite of a painful arthritic hip. His approximate
words were, "It's SO good for you. But the pain got worse and worse, and I
eventually stopped riding. A number of years later I got a hip replacement,
and was back on the bike after a few weeks. It's been almost a year, and I
couldn't be happier. I believe riding is going to add about ten years to my
life. And what happy years they are going to be--I'm riding all those back
roads and trails I thought I would never see again.
 
Allen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> That is like asking at what age you should curl up and die?
> Or when should you stop having sex?


..... stop temporarily only when it's time to go out on a ride....
>
> I hope to bike tilol Im into my 90s
> Carefully though
> My father is 85 and golfs every day. In winter he curls every day,
> of course Im in Canada,


I'm in Canada too but during the winter I'm doing a few cat 1 and 2
climbs in Spain. One advantage of being a senior or taking early
retirement is you have more time on your hands for cycling and if your
lucky, money to spend on your passions. I don't know how I had time
for a day job before.

More time means more training and it is possible to improve fitness
and performance - and presumably slow down the onset of bone density
loss. I have observed many aging riders achieve lifetime PB's in 15km
and 40km time trials recently because of more training, improved
training techniques, and better nutrition. At 65, I still race crits
with riders one third of my age - always finishing in the top third of
the field.

When I talk to my younger riding pals they envy the time I have to
dedicate to cycling, although I must admit they never say the envy my
age :)

>
>
> Id be more careful and wear all the protective gear you should,
> maybe even consider the knee protectors as I hurt my knees once and
> developed temporary Bersytis. obeying and followigng safety procedures.
> You wont know if this is good because if it is good nothing will happen....


..... although bike handling skill acquisition and application tops all
of those.
>
>
> Allen
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:
> Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>> OT: Typing with cycling gloves on is a pain.

>>
>> I bet not half as bad as trying to count change.
>> Especially with gloves with even the slightest
>> amount of padding.

>
> Very true. I've taken to stuffing my gloves in one of my pockets
> when I go marketing. [1] It's easier to pop them on and off than to
> look like a fumble fingered idiot.


Hey, I do that, too.

> [1] Have I mentioned how much I love cargo shorts for cycle shopping?
> It's brilliant to be able to have my keys, wallet, cellphone, canvas
> shopping tote, and still have places to stuff my glasses, gloves,
> shopping list etc..


Yeah, having pockets is great. Jersey back pockets are okay
for some stuff, but I've found when overloaded, the backs
of jerseys stretch, and snag on the saddle when dismounting.

I've got some MTB shorts w/ pockets (1 back, 2 front), but
anything heavier than a few quarters causes the front pockets
to hang out below the leg cuffs, while riding. Still, they're
handy to stuff gloves into while off the bike.

I found an old ***** pack lying around, and have taken to
using that. Except it's apparently not a good place to stuff
cheapo reading glasses -- the ear hangers get snagged in there,
and snap off.

I also found a ***** pack-like change purse thingie, with
a belt loop on it. So I stuck it on the ***** pack belt.
It keeps my loose change handily available. $1 and $2
coins such as we have here in Canada sometimes are a PITA.


cheers,
Tom

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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:09:35 -0700, Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:
>> Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Dane Jackson <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> OT: Typing with cycling gloves on is a pain.
>>>
>>> I bet not half as bad as trying to count change.
>>> Especially with gloves with even the slightest
>>> amount of padding.

>>
>> Very true. I've taken to stuffing my gloves in one of my pockets
>> when I go marketing. [1] It's easier to pop them on and off than to
>> look like a fumble fingered idiot.

>
> Hey, I do that, too.
>
>> [1] Have I mentioned how much I love cargo shorts for cycle shopping?
>> It's brilliant to be able to have my keys, wallet, cellphone, canvas
>> shopping tote, and still have places to stuff my glasses, gloves,
>> shopping list etc..

>
> Yeah, having pockets is great. Jersey back pockets are okay
> for some stuff, but I've found when overloaded, the backs
> of jerseys stretch, and snag on the saddle when dismounting.
>
> I've got some MTB shorts w/ pockets (1 back, 2 front), but
> anything heavier than a few quarters causes the front pockets
> to hang out below the leg cuffs, while riding. Still, they're
> handy to stuff gloves into while off the bike.
>
> I found an old ***** pack lying around, and have taken to
> using that. Except it's apparently not a good place to stuff
> cheapo reading glasses -- the ear hangers get snagged in there,
> and snap off.
>
> I also found a ***** pack-like change purse thingie, with
> a belt loop on it. So I stuck it on the ***** pack belt.
> It keeps my loose change handily available. $1 and $2
> coins such as we have here in Canada sometimes are a PITA.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>

OK, in keeping with my not really a roadie type, I have to say that
I wear Levi Jeans, usually cut offs in the summer, and carry a
High School style back pack full of water and food for the longer
trips. Jeans get really kind of rough after a 70 mile day, but
at least I can go to the store for short runs without getting a
car involved. Long jeans are an absolute neccessity when I go
deep woods hiking or my legs would get shredded. There is always
a cell phone in my right pocket (useless in the deep woods) and
a cheap digital camera in my left pocket. Allen wrench kit, mini
crescent wrench, and camping knife with screwdriver and other
good things in my left pocket. I was a boy scout so I really go
prepared.
BTW, somebody posted about the 'quality' of the workout compared to
going to a club. What quality? And how does that work if you are bored
with the club and don't go? Bicycling is never boring, and it is easy
to do upper body stuff like push ups, chin ups, sit ups, and weight
lifting to keep the upper half in shape. Sit ups can be done in bed
before even getting out of bed. I do push ups in the
bedroom before getting showered, and during commercials when I do watch
the televison. Chin ups come every time I get the bike since I have
an overhead beam, and the weights get used a little less. So I
don't look like Arnold, big deal, the object is to be healthy and
enjoy it.
Bill Baka


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In article <[email protected]>,
"Raoul Duke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Then:
> > http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
> > and Now:
> > http://tinyurl.com/a9g7
> >
> > 30 years later.

>
> Gotta give you credit. You look terrific.
>
> Dave


Never mind the rider. The bike after 30 years!

That is the same bike, isn't it?

My commuter bike is only 20 years old,
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:18:14 +0000, jobst.brandt wrote:

> Joe Davidson writes:
>>
>> Recently a friend my age [62] fell and broke his hip. He is now
>> fully healed, but has sworn off bicycles saying that the injury
>> rate increases sharply as we age. Another friend, who has not been
>> injured, has quit for the same reason.

>
>> Does anyone know if this is true? Please tell me it is not.

>
> Well it is true in a few ways. Mental speed slows down for some folks
> more than others but being quick and making the right decisions
> doesn't get better after about retirement age. Bones that wouldn't
> break at age 20 break more easily at advanced age. Riders who started
> riding after their teens often never achieve the natural responses of
> one who has ridden a bicycle aggressively from early youth. Of course
> this is a statistical matter but as a rule it holds true. You don't
> have to be a bicyclist to discover this. Just ask your MD about it.
> On the other hand it has not stopped me from hot-rodding down paved
> roads and mountain trails. A hip fracture in 1989 did not stop me
> from riding as soon as possible and subsequently falling without
> incident often thereafter.
>
> Then:
> http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
> and Now:
> http://tinyurl.com/a9g7
>
> 30 years later.


Holy freaking heck!

What size is that bike frame?

How tall are you?

(I ask, as a 5'8" shrimp on a 2003 54cm Specialized Allez Elite 27)

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Claire Petersky <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dane Jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p[email protected]...
>
>> I'm still here, I've just been excesssively busy with non-bicycling

> things.
>> Not that I'm not riding,

>
> I will testify -- I was going to work on, what, Tuesday? when I believe I
> saw Dane on his bike coming the opposite direction.


I do believe it was Tuesday. I just wish I had time to stop and say
hello more often. I'm too often running late or have a meeting first
thing. That is one thing I do prefer about the bike, the possibility
of stopping and talking to people, since you are not so isolated in
your movable moat/castle.

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Ryan Cousineau writes:

>>> Then:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
>>> and Now:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/a9g7


>>> 30 years later.


>> Gotta give you credit. You look terrific.


> Never mind the rider. The bike after 30 years!


> That is the same bike, isn't it?


No, the early one is a Cinelli after which came a Peter Johnson, a Tom
Ritchey, and another Peter Johnson that I ride today. I switched to
yellow because cracks are easier to detect with light colors. Early
Cinellis had a few failures, especially rear dropouts caused by
flexing Campagnolo axle flex and failure.

Jobst Brandt
[email protected]
 
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> Ryan Cousineau writes:
>
> >>> Then:
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/a9gr
> >>> and Now:
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/a9g7

>
> >>> 30 years later.

>
> >> Gotta give you credit. You look terrific.

>
> > Never mind the rider. The bike after 30 years!

>
> > That is the same bike, isn't it?

>
> No, the early one is a Cinelli after which came a Peter Johnson, a Tom
> Ritchey, and another Peter Johnson that I ride today. I switched to
> yellow because cracks are easier to detect with light colors. Early
> Cinellis had a few failures, especially rear dropouts caused by
> flexing Campagnolo axle flex and failure.
>
> Jobst Brandt
> [email protected]


Interesting...Okay, so I'm assuming the Cinelli more or less wore out;
what governed your decisions to get the next three frames?

I know I ask a lot of these annoying questions (google back and you'll
find me quizzing Jobst on the component mix, too), but I think there is
some interesting insights to be found in a rider's decision to get a new
bike. Well, at least among riders where getting a new bike is done with
more care than picking up the most fashionable new model every 1-3 years.

Full disclosure: I'm still riding the converted Pinarello (105 6-speed
group converted with Sora right-side shifter and 8v 13-26 rear cluster;
front rings are 52(53?)-39. Rear Nisi wheel replaced by a Mavic
deep-section wheel w/RSX hub after the former got bent in a racing
incident (the replacement was offered really cheaply).

Commuter bike is a mid-80s Bianchi with an RSX dual-pivot front brake
replacing the stock long-reach Dia-Compe, and an SLR aero-lever to
match. Drivetrain is Suntour 6-speed, bound to be replaced soon. Rims
are Nisi, I think, but there may be an Araya in there too, since I have
a lot of those around.

Both bikes run 165 mm cranks, a quirk of mine with two justifications:
it might help a bit with my achilles tendonitis, and it helps me
accelerate out of corners a bit quicker in crits.

Mountain bike is a nondescript 8-speed Kona Kilauea, a steel XC hardtail
with a '97 Marzocchi Z.2 (65mm travel) with Enduro seals, which are
nice. mostly XT components, dorky riser bar which I should narrow and
change for a flat bar; I also have a shorter-than-stock rising stem.
This bike has oddly long 175mm cranks, but those will be swapped for
shorter when I get the opportunity.

All three bikes have the same style of Selle Italia Nitrox, a narrow,
thinly-padded vinyl-and-plastic thing that works superbly for me. I own
five copies, purchased for an average of about $3.

The BMX LX: a BMX with a seven-speed drivetrain. That bike was
immediately adopted by my wife.

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