Heinie is already kissing ass.

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  1. Tritonrider

    Tritonrider Guest

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news

    "We're very pleased to have had the opportunity to clarify the recent issues regarding the IO report
    and to move forward in our relationship with UCI," said Dick Pound, who added that UCI has already
    begun the necessary work to adopt the World Anti-Doping Code prior to the Olympic Games in Athens
    next year.

    Guess those who said he'd cave to protect the Olympics were right. He's proved once again that he
    has no principles. He believes in nothing, and values nothing except himself. I have serious
    fundamental disagrrements with Howard, and Brian but I respect them because they believe in their
    positions, stick with them, and argue them well. Heinie takes a stand, makes a lot of noise, then
    sells everybody down the road as soon as it gets hot. I'm ashamed I thought this gutless jackoff
    wwas going to take a stand on principles for once. Bill C
     
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  2. Doesn't say that the IO's are going to be allowed back at the races, yet.

    And the UCI was planning on adopting the WADA code anyway ... Nothing I've seen is indicating that
    Heinie V. and the UCI are "caving" ...

    On 10/10/2003 09:14 PM, in article
    [email protected], "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news
    >
    > "We're very pleased to have had the opportunity to clarify the recent issues regarding the IO
    > report and to move forward in our relationship with UCI," said Dick Pound, who added that UCI has
    > already begun the necessary work to adopt the World Anti-Doping Code prior to the Olympic Games in
    > Athens next year.
    >
    > Guess those who said he'd cave to protect the Olympics were right. He's proved once again that he
    > has no principles. He believes in nothing, and values nothing except himself. I have serious
    > fundamental disagrrements with Howard, and Brian but I respect them because they believe in their
    > positions, stick with them, and argue them well. Heinie takes a stand, makes a lot of noise, then
    > sells everybody down the road as soon as it gets hot. I'm ashamed I thought this gutless jackoff
    > wwas going to take a stand on principles for once. Bill C

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  3. Tritonrider

    Tritonrider Guest

    >Doesn't say that the IO's are going to be allowed back at the races, yet.
    >
    >And the UCI was planning on adopting the WADA code anyway ... Nothing I've seen is indicating that
    >Heinie V. and the UCI are "caving" ...
    >

    To me it seems to be his laying the groundwork for giving in. He takes an indignant stand. Rips all
    over the WADA. Kicks them out. Then with nothing changing at all, other than being threatened, he
    is into negotiating. Smells to me like the whole taking a stance this was a PR setup to me. "See I
    am supporting the riders and their rights. I am great, and I care." When he knew up front that he
    was going to have to adopt the WADA code to get into the Olympics. Bill C
     
  4. On 10/11/2003 09:13 AM, in article
    [email protected], "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Doesn't say that the IO's are going to be allowed back at the races, yet.
    >>
    >> And the UCI was planning on adopting the WADA code anyway ... Nothing I've seen is indicating
    >> that Heinie V. and the UCI are "caving" ...
    >>
    >
    > To me it seems to be his laying the groundwork for giving in. He takes an indignant stand. Rips
    > all over the WADA. Kicks them out. Then with nothing changing at all, other than being threatened,
    > he is into negotiating. Smells to me like the whole taking a stance this was a PR setup to me.
    > "See I am supporting the riders and their rights. I am great, and I care." When he knew up front
    > that he was going to have to adopt the WADA code to get into the Olympics. Bill C

    But I don't recall EVER seeing anything where HV and the UCI were against adopting the WADA code
    (except recently, wherein certain performance enhancing drugs were actually LEGALIZED!).

    The big deal was about the leaking of the report ...

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  5. Racer X

    Racer X Guest

    Of course Verbruggen was going to eventually tongue-kiss Dick Pound. If he didn't, cycling wouldn't
    be recognized by the Olympics. According to the IOC manifesto, it clearly states ALL Olympic sports
    must comply with WADA protocol in order to be included in the 2004 Athens Games. So we already knew
    who was ultimately going to win this battle.

    I predicted this would happen just a few days ago. Verbruggen is a politico.

    His comments about why the best riders don't show up to Worlds since it's been moved to October is
    not credible either. It's not just Armstrong who doesn't show up, but about 10 top riders who skip
    the race practically every year. And each one of them cites the lateness in the season as the
    reason. Yet Verbruggen gives a quote that denies this to be the actual reason.

    Racer X

    TritonRider wrote:

    > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/oct03/oct11news
    >
    > "We're very pleased to have had the opportunity to clarify the recent issues regarding the IO
    > report and to move forward in our relationship with UCI," said Dick Pound, who added that UCI has
    > already begun the necessary work to adopt the World Anti-Doping Code prior to the Olympic Games in
    > Athens next year.
    >
    > Guess those who said he'd cave to protect the Olympics were right. He's proved once again that he
    > has no principles. He believes in nothing, and values nothing except himself. I have serious
    > fundamental disagrrements with Howard, and Brian but I respect them because they believe in their
    > positions, stick with them, and argue them well. Heinie takes a stand, makes a lot of noise, then
    > sells everybody down the road as soon as it gets hot. I'm ashamed I thought this gutless jackoff
    > wwas going to take a stand on principles for once. Bill C
     
  6. On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:53:35 GMT, RACER X wrote:
    > about 10 top riders who skip the race practically every year. And each one of them cites the
    > lateness in the season as the reason. Yet Verbruggen gives a quote that denies this to be the
    > actual reason.

    So does Adri van der Poel. Which 10? When and where did they say that?
     
  7. Nick Burns

    Nick Burns Guest

    "TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > >Doesn't say that the IO's are going to be allowed back at the races, yet.
    > >
    > >And the UCI was planning on adopting the WADA code anyway ... Nothing
    I've
    > >seen is indicating that Heinie V. and the UCI are "caving" ...
    > >
    >
    > To me it seems to be his laying the groundwork for giving in. He takes an indignant stand. Rips
    > all over the WADA. Kicks them out. Then with nothing changing at all, other than being
    > threatened, he is into negotiating. Smells to me like the whole taking a stance this was a PR
    > setup to me.
    "See I
    > am supporting the riders and their rights. I am great, and I care." When
    he
    > knew up front that he was going to have to adopt the WADA code to get into
    the
    > Olympics.
    > Bill C

    Didn't we all know that was coming? Who was it that was worried about missing the Olympics?
    Yeah, right.
     
  8. Racer X

    Racer X Guest

    Ewoud,

    I can't name 10 off the top of my head, but I'm sure somebody else on here can add to it:

    Armstrong, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Simoni, Garzelli, Museuuw, etc.

    As for the Verbruggen quote, you should know it by now:

    "Every organiser cries out for these two names, but in specialised cycling you can't race the
    complete calendar," Verbruggen told Het Nieuwsblad. "I couldn't care less that they aren't in
    Canada. In Colombia eight years ago we barely had a hundred starters but we got a fantastic race in
    Duitama with Olano a worthy World Champion. I didn't hear anyone say then 'Yes, Olano won certainly,
    but Armstrong wasn't there."

    Racer X

    Ewoud Dronkert wrote:

    > On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:53:35 GMT, RACER X wrote:
    > > about 10 top riders who skip the race practically every year. And each one of them cites the
    > > lateness in the season as the reason. Yet Verbruggen gives a quote that denies this to be the
    > > actual reason.
    >
    > So does Adri van der Poel. Which 10? When and where did they say that?
     
  9. On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:29:38 GMT, RACER X wrote:
    > Armstrong, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Simoni, Garzelli, Muse[e]uw, etc.

    But do *they* (not Verbruggen) say that they don't participate because of the late date? Like Van
    der Poel said, everybody knows the dates of all races a year in advance. Riders can choose to make a
    schedule that includes Worlds. Here are the first 15 of the UCI ranking:
    1 (2) E.Zabel (Dui) 2113.75
    1 (3) P.Bettini (Ita) 2105.75
    1 (4) A.Petacchi (Ita) 2001
    1 (5) G.Simoni (Ita) 1752
    1 (6) D.Rebellin (Ita) 1750
    1 (7) A.Vinokoerov (Kaz) 1693.5
    1 (8) L.Armstrong (VS) 1521
    1 (9) I.Mayo (Spa) 1425
    1 (10) Fr.Casagrande (Ita) 1398
    1 (11) A.Valverde (Spa) 1366
    1 (12) T.Hamilton (VS) 1363
    1 (13) D.Di Luca (Ita) 1259
    1 (14) J.Ullrich (Dui) 1258
    1 (15) M.Bartoli (Ita) 1198
    1 (16) D.Frigo (Ita) 1181 Out of these 15, not participating are 3 (wrong course), 4 (not riding
    well lately), 5 (not part of The Plan), 6 (too late? and no team), 7 (too late), 8 (don't
    know), 11 (one fall too many), 13 (family), 14 (not part of The Plan). I'd say Armstrong is
    the only one who never had Worlds in his plan. Ullrich first didn't think it was possible,
    got confident after good results, but then saw it was too much. The new baby is more
    important; what an asshole to let us down that way. Vino, I don't know, he might be tired
    after a long season (ergo: "too late") but I think he (and we) saw it coming. The Tour went
    better than anyone including himself expected, that was a big drain. Simoni, who knows what
    happened there? It all crumbled down after the Giro. Garzelli never was the man he has been.
    Museeuw, well, nobody knows what he's thinking, ever (except Frank Day).

    > As for the Verbruggen quote, you should know it by now:

    I did know the quote, but I don't see how it "denies the lateness in the season to be the actual
    reason". In effect, I think it really confirms it. The relevant part of the Verbruggen quote: "in
    specialised cycling you can't race the complete calendar". Combine that with riders' other
    priorities (spring, tdf) and you have your current situation. It's a choice.
     
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