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> stu Wrote:
> > "rooman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > stu Wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Lance Armstrong would be dead without a helmet, he did a clear
> > > > cranial
> > > > > impact into a wall at high speed and survived, because of a
> > decent
> > > > well
> > > > > fitting helmet, then grew up ( some might say he will never) and
> > won
> > > > 7
> > > > > LeTours...
> > > > you cant be "sure" of that. he may have survived(or maybe he
> > wouldnt
> > > > have
> > > > been going so fast without a helmet... who knows....)
> > > >
> > > > but at least one child has died by being strangled by their bike
> > helmet
> > > >
> > > > so we can score that as 1 all?
> > > well he did survive.... so what's the point?
> >
> > The point is that just because he was wearing a helmet doesn't mean it
> > saved
> > his life. He may have been just fine. You don't know, I don't know, he
> > doesn't know.
> >
> > > and on the little
> > > child..IMHO you couldnt be more wrong...likely the poor kid died
> > > because the didnt fit/and or helmet wasnt being worn properly,
> > so...my
> > > point exactly in the other bits you chose to cut out..
> >
> > Its called trimming (lets see what the post looks like if i dont trim)
> >
> > >.too many kids
> > > have them hanging off their heads and if they dont get strangled they
> > > are lucky, unless they break their necks or belt their exposed
> > temples
> > > on something.
> >
> > It doesnt matter why the child was killed by the helmet, the helmet is
> > what
> > killed him/her. dead is dead. Without the helmet he/she would have most
> > likely be alive.
> > (it is of course possible that in the same accident without the helmet
> > the
> > child would have died from different injuries)
> >
> > > Sure the human body is an amazing thing and can survive much trauma,
> > > however it has evolved ( or was created whatever you wish to think)
> > to
> > > help us hunt, gather and fight for our meals, and seek shelter and to
> > > prevent us from becoming other creature's meals. Hence an internal
> > soft
> > > package of vital bits on a rugged and adaptable frame with specail
> > > sections to further add protection for a mature adult human to
> > > survive. Immature humans rely on the mature members of the group to
> > > protect them...nothing there has changed except that rather than run
> > > and hunt, we now use projectiles to propell our bodies through time
> > and
> > > space and thus place ourselves in risk of higher impact we werent
> > > designed to absorb without greater consequences...all sounds very
> > > elementary right...thus should it not follow that a little bit of
> > > armour just might be the smart thing to do...we are meant to be the
> > > clever species... how clever is it to ignore this... maybe skill and
> > > fortuitous outcomes will help some, but the world is littered with
> > the
> > > corpses and twisted bodies of those unfortunate enough to not use the
> > > grey matter and white matter enough to think about protecting it just
> > a
> > > little bit....and perhaps the gene pool is in some cases better
> > off...
> >
> > If it is this simple then surely it will be easy for you to point out
> > the
> > stats that show how much safer we are wearing helmets than before.
waiting
> > As someone else put it
> > I (luckly)know 0 people that have been killed riding a bike, this
> > included 5
> > years riding to school with 100's of other students before the helmet
> > laws
> > came in. I know of plenty of people that have "the helmet saved my
> > life"
> > stories since the laws came in.
> > >
> > > I am all about choice, and an adult's freedom to make an informed
> > > choice, however, here I am not so sure non compulsory helmets is the
> > > way to go. This is the case especially for kids whose skulls are
> > still
> > > developing and we have a responsibility to protect them until they
> > too
> > > can make their informed choice.
> > >
> > > All the other arguments against helmet compulsion are, to me, a crock
> > > of horse manure and as I dont have a great deal of faith in joe
> > average
> > > to make a proper and informed choice on this issue.
> >
> > So because joe average doesnt agree with you, you want a law to make
> > him
> > wear one?
> > What if joe average managed to get a law passed making illegal for you
> > to
> > wear a helmet, would you be happy about that?
well would you?
> > > governments can do it for us on the issue of helmets until a
> > > substantial weight of evidence exists to show helmet wearing for
> > > cyclists does substantially more harm than good and our governments
> > > then change the law based on rational and factual argument.
> >
> > Why a substantial weight of evidence? Where was the substantial weight
> > of
> > evidence before they passed the law? there wasn't a rational and
waiting
of course we know that goverments would never do anything stupid (i'm not
saying it was stupid, i'm asking you to prove that it wasnt)
> > factual
> > argument(sure it made them feel good) and sure maybe it seemed like a
> > good
> > idea at the time... as yet there is still alot of arguement as to
> > weather
> > they have done any good.
> >
> > > In the meantime, if you don't have a brain ...you don't need a
> > helmet!
> > >
> > cool lets start the insults
> >
> > maybe you should stay at home in front of the TV where it's safe
> >
> > > I think nature got it right in the first place and we have to help
> > her
> > > out if we want to place our human frames and its contents at risk.
> > >
> > > TiMHO...here endeth the lesson... beer time!
> > >
> > > --
> > > rooman
> > >
> > Stu (who most likely does sillier things off road on his MTB with his
> > helmet on than he would without it. On road I don't think it makes a
> > difference to how I ride but who knows for sure)
> You therefore do wear a helmet...
Yes I do wear a helmet, its the law. It may even make me feel safer, the
question being asked is does it make me safer?
>worn properly no doubt as you are
> still with us...
What???? So everyone who doesnt wear a helmet or wears one not fitted
properly is dead?(see some of the other posts about just how unlikely you
are to have an accident, then read some of the arguments about weather the
helmet would do you any good).
As it turns out... so far i dont believe it would have made any difference
to me weather i had worn a helmet or not. but that of course is more
anecdotal evidence which is worth nothing
>as to where you wear, surely that it is irrelevant...
> or arnt there trees, objects, cars, hard surfaces etc in the vicinity
> of roads?...or are they just peculiarly found by MTBers & off road?...I
> think not!
ummmm not sure what you are getting at here, but i think you missunderstood
me.
what i meant was.
i wear my helmet everywhere.(well ok i dont wear it in the backyard when i
am practicing)
when riding off road i tend to do things that maybe i wouldnt if i didnt
have a helmet on. now if the helmet does little or no good in the event i
come off, then it more dangerous to wear it than to not wear it.
when riding on road i dont think taking my helmet off would change the way i
ride.
>
>
> --
> rooman
and to go back to this
>his is the case especially for kids whose skulls are still
>eveloping and we have a responsibility to protect them until they too
>an make their informed choice.
its to dangerous for them to ride on the footpath without a helmet(not that
i want to start a discussion about how dangerous that can be than riding on
the road). but we then go and build them a 20ft high half pipe so the little
dears have somewhere to play. would be interesting to see the figures for
how many people are hurt on half pipes per hour of use.