Helmet Wankers

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  1. Jeff

    Jeff Guest

    "Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Rick Onanian" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > <snip>
    > >Did you see last year's big helmet war? Probably a good two thousand messages among three or four
    > >threads, and I doubt that there was a single person who was influenced in any way.
    >
    > I was ... I decided that when I go visit my cousin in the Peoples Republic of Canadia this summer
    > to cover my (mandatory) magic foam hat with tin
    foil

    Which part of Canada has a mandatory foam hat law? The Manitoba Soviet Socialist Republic (MSSR) has
    no such law. Winnipeg, for years the only political jurisdiction in North America with an elected
    communist official, has no such law.
     


  2. Just Zis Guy

    Just Zis Guy Guest

    On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:26:00 GMT, "John Doe" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >If that one life could have been saved by a helmet then it is worth it. What value are you placing
    >on looking cool?

    Stop driving NOW! Car drivers kill tens of thousands every year in the US ALONE! If even one life
    can be saved (and actually it'll bve tens of thousands) surely it's worth it.

    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk
     
  3. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Jeff" <[email protected]> writes:
    > "Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> "Rick Onanian" <[email protected]> wrote
    >>
    >> <snip>
    >> >Did you see last year's big helmet war? Probably a good two thousand messages among three or
    >> >four threads, and I doubt that there was a single person who was influenced in any way.
    >>
    >> I was ... I decided that when I go visit my cousin in the Peoples Republic of Canadia this summer
    >> to cover my (mandatory) magic foam hat with tin
    > foil
    >
    > Which part of Canada has a mandatory foam hat law?

    In British Columbia (the birthplace of MHLs) helmets are mandatory for all ages, although turban-
    wearing Sikhs may be exempt. Other provinces and regions across the country vary for age groups, and
    for mandatoriness at all.

    I've got an article around here somewhere, that lists which areas have MHLs; in fact I was just
    looking at it a couple of days ago. I'll post what it says a little later, if I can find it.

    cheers, Tom

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  4. M. Atta

    M. Atta Guest

    if david hooks was wearing a helmet he would be alive today hehehehe as Vogels jun is

    "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    server.bigpond.net.au...
    >
    > "CSB" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 01:45:04 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > <snip>
    > >
    > > >You can take the cowboy out of the country but you can't take the hat
    off
    > of
    > > >the cowboy.
    > > >
    >
    > as it happens a young cattle drover was recently killed by a fall. It is
    a
    > tradition for these guys to wear Akubra hats while on a muster. Not
    anymore
    > say WorkCover (Govt Dept). The station owner was negligent for not making these guys wear helmets.
    >
    > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/02/1075570335910.html
    >
    >
    >
     
  5. Dave Kahn

    Dave Kahn Guest

    On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:54:18 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:26:00 GMT, "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>If that one life could have been saved by a helmet then it is worth it. What value are you placing
    >>on looking cool?
    >
    >Stop driving NOW! Car drivers kill tens of thousands every year in the US ALONE! If even one life
    >can be saved (and actually it'll bve tens of thousands) surely it's worth it.

    Similarly people sometimes drown when they go swimming - even good experienced swimmers. Those lives
    could be saved if every swimmer wore water wings. Inconvenient? Yes. But surely worth it if just one
    life is saved.

    --
    Dave...

    Get a bicycle. You will not regret it. If you live. Mark Twain
     
  6. Q.

    Q. Guest

    "David Reuteler" <[email protected]> wrote in

    > for me it was imsais & apple2's .. novation applecats, catfur, ascii
    express,
    > blue boxing bell south, CP/M, g-files, gbbs, fidonet, LoD, pdp11s, RSTS/E, VMS, unix, the 414 gang
    > and busts by the secret service.
    >
    > ahhhhh, youth!

    And I'd like to say a big HELLO to the poor slob over at the domestic surveillance section in the
    National Security Agency who has to read this because the filtering software was triggered by all
    the keywords in these posts (c:

    Just to make sure that red flag pops up ...

    Operation Sundevil, Kevin Mitnick, Global Hell, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS,
    Passwords, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, CIA,
    S/Key, SSL, FBI, USSS, Defcon, White House, Joe Engressia, John Draper, Bubba Clinton, Flashbangs,
    Phiber Optik, Rain.Forest.Puppy., Phrack, 2600, NRA, Spetznaz, nitrate, sniper, Keyhole, ninja,
    RIAA, Elvis, Fetish, NORAD,

    Nigeria, bullion, utopia, Bill Gates, clone, NCC-1701, MIT

    Ya' gotta love it!

    S.A.A.
     
  7. S. Anderson

    S. Anderson Guest

    "Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Operation Sundevil, Kevin Mitnick, Global Hell, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS,
    > Passwords, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, CIA,
    > S/Key, SSL, FBI, USSS, Defcon, White House, Joe Engressia, John Draper, Bubba Clinton, Flashbangs,
    > Phiber Optik, Rain.Forest.Puppy., Phrack, 2600, NRA, Spetznaz, nitrate, sniper, Keyhole, ninja,
    > RIAA, Elvis, Fetish,
    NORAD,

    39,
    > Nigeria, bullion, utopia, Bill Gates, clone, NCC-1701, MIT

    Ya know, I've been sending e-mail to my brother overseas with just such content for about 2 years
    now, every week or so, just to see what happens. Nothing to report yet...wait..what's that black car
    doing outside my house..hmmm.....

    Cheers,

    Scott..
     
  8. Q. <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> wrote:
    : And I'd like to say a big HELLO to the poor slob over at the domestic surveillance section in the
    : National Security Agency who has to read this because the filtering software was triggered by all
    : the keywords in these posts (c:

    bah. they already know.

    : Just to make sure that red flag pops up ...
    :
    : Operation Sundevil, Kevin Mitnick, Global Hell, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS,
    : Passwords, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, CIA,
    : S/Key, SSL, FBI, USSS, Defcon, White House, Joe Engressia, John Draper, Bubba Clinton, Flashbangs,
    : Phiber Optik, Rain.Forest.Puppy., Phrack, 2600, NRA, Spetznaz, nitrate, sniper, Keyhole, ninja,
    : RIAA, Elvis, Fetish, NORAD,

    : Nigeria, bullion, utopia, Bill Gates, clone, NCC-1701, MIT
    :
    : Ya' gotta love it!

    31337 d00d ..

    you forgot to mention the anarchist's cookbook, tho nitrate rates.
    --
    david reuteler [email protected]
     
  9. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Q." <LostVideos-AT-hotmail.com> writes:

    > Operation Sundevil, Kevin Mitnick, Global Hell, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS,
    > Passwords, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, CIA,
    > S/Key, SSL, FBI, USSS, Defcon, White House, Joe Engressia, John Draper, Bubba Clinton, Flashbangs,
    > Phiber Optik, Rain.Forest.Puppy., Phrack, 2600, NRA, Spetznaz, nitrate, sniper, Keyhole, ninja,
    > RIAA, Elvis, Fetish, NORAD,

    > Nigeria, bullion, utopia, Bill Gates, clone, NCC-1701, MIT

    Hey, lemme try:

    <M-x spook>

    class struggle KGB Noriega Uzi Nazi strategic Cocaine explosion supercomputer cryptographic
    munitions terrorist cracking Delta Force Qaddafi
    ----------------

    Hmm, looks pretty lame. Another go: <M-x spook>

    colonel Khaddafi radar strategic CIA genetic Legion of Doom Marxist Qaddafi SDI ammunition domestic
    disruption Noriega NORAD AK-47
    ----------------

    Well, I've got an older version of emacs.

    I wonder what ol' Noriega's up to these days.

    cheers, & shadow government black budget FSB conspiracy fissionable, Tom

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  10. S. Anderson

    S. Anderson Guest

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Amazingly, when the UK introduced sealt belt legislation - driver fatalities stayed the same!
    But
    > there was a substantial rise in pedestrian, cyclist and rear-seat
    passenger
    > fatalities.

    Can you cite the data for this declaration? I'd be interested to see this.

    Cheers,

    Scott..
     
  11. In aus.bicycle on Thu, 05 Feb 2004 00:52:12 +0000
    Dave Kahn <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Similarly people sometimes drown when they go swimming - even good experienced swimmers. Those
    > lives could be saved if every swimmer wore water wings. Inconvenient? Yes. But surely worth it if
    > just one life is saved.

    I presume all those who advocate helmets to save just one life wear them when driving cars and
    insist all passengers wear them?

    Just one life and all that.

    Zebee

    --
    Zebee Johnstone ([email protected]), proud holder of aus.motorcycles Poser Permit #1. "Motorcycles
    are like peanuts... who can stop at just one?"
     
  12. S. Anderson

    S. Anderson Guest

    "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Let's be sure to note that I for one have been at the scene of several of what looked to be rather
    > minor car racing accidents in which the occupant/driver died despite seat belts, helmets and
    > whatever else.
    >

    True enough, but the fatality rate in auto racing has come down significantly since the widespread
    acceptance of mandatory safety equipment regulations. That fact is indisputable. I'm not arguing
    that mandatory anything is correct..personally, I think nanny laws suck. If you're over 18, you can
    do anything you want to yourself as far as I'm concerned.

    Helmetless since birth,

    Scott..
     
  13. Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
    : <M-x spook>

    egads, i forgot how inspired (bloated?) emacs can be. lest anyone think he's joking .. he's not.
    --
    david reuteler [email protected]
     
  14. Chris Neary

    Chris Neary Guest

    "Tom Kunich" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Only a few guys in the world of Usenet could state the case against helmets with such clarity.

    What's weird about this thread is that every time Mr. K and I and ridden together, he's been wearing
    a helmet. I'll put the question out there:

    Tom, is your default riding mode "Helmet" or "No Helmet"?

    Chris Neary [email protected]

    "Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the
    elements I loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
     
  15. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    David Reuteler <[email protected]> writes:
    > Tom Keats <[email protected]> wrote:
    >: <M-x spook>
    >
    > egads, i forgot how inspired (bloated?) emacs can be. lest anyone think he's joking .. he's not.

    It does everything except peel your vegetables ;-)

    I often use emacs as a shell to work in. It's especially convenient for doing big make's and running
    gdb a la IDE. But it's actually been a long time since I've written a serious line of code (thank
    goodness).

    cheers, Tom

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  16. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Jeff" <[email protected]> writes:

    > Which part of Canada has a mandatory foam hat law?

    Ontario's MHL appears to be the oldest in the country.

    (Info derived from August/September 2002 issue of Vancouver local alt-trans magazine, 'Momentum')

    Province/Territory: British Columbia age group: all fine: $100

    Province/Territory: Alberta age group: up to 17 fine: $57

    Province/Territory: Saskatchewan No provincial law Municipal bylaw in Yorkton

    Province/Territory: Manitoba age group: up to 5? conflicting info as to whether or not
    legislation exists

    Province/Territory: Ontario age group: up to 17 fine: $75

    Province/Territory: Quebec No provincial law bylaws in Montreal burroughs of Cote St-Luc
    and Westmount

    Province/Territory: Prince Edward Island No provincial law

    Province/Territory: New Brunswick age group: all fine: $21

    Province/Territory: Nova Scotia age group: all fine: $25

    Province/Territory: Newfoundland/Labrador age group: no provincial law
    - bylaws in Mount Pearl and St John's for ages up to 12
    - bylaw in Holyrood for all ages

    Province/Territory: Yukon Territory
    - no territorial helmet law

    Province/Territory: North West Territories
    - no territorial helmet law
    - bylaw in Inuvik (all ages)
    - possible bylaw in Yellowknife

    Province/Territory: Nunavut
    - no territorial helmet law

    cheers, Tom

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  17. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> writes:
    > Tom Keats wrote:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>, "Jeff" <[email protected]>
    >> writes:
    >>
    >>> Which part of Canada has a mandatory foam hat law?
    >>
    >> Ontario's MHL appears to be the oldest in the country.
    >>
    >> Province/Territory: British Columbia age group: all fine: $100
    >
    > ... but ours is the nastiest!

    That $100 fine /is/ pretty draconian. I've never seen any actual enforcement (yet). My next door
    neighbour tells me he got an officious verbal warning from the cops once, though.

    Actually, I don't mind too much having to wear the bucket. It's something to stick my glasses &
    gloves in when I go to the bank.

    cheers, Tom

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  18. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> writes:

    > I also have heard that vi variants like gvim are getting to be as big these days.

    vi's a pretty darn good, powerful editor too. I really don't understand these vi vs emacs "tastes
    great; less filling" religious wars. They're both good.

    > Nothin' against vi (but PICO sucks rocks),

    Maybe as pico is to vi, epsilon is to emacs. epsilon is an horrid perversion. ISTR Borland including
    it in their IDE suite.

    cheers, Tom

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  19. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> writes:

    > As far as I know, PICO has no more in common with vi than it does with emacs. I used it for a
    > while when I was still using pine, where it is the default editor.

    Oh yeah, pine. Now I remember. I know your pain. I dunno if there are still any IMAP servers
    these days.

    Hugh Mahon's ee is a cute little editor.

    Back in the DOS days, I rather liked the editor that came with the LapLink software. Speaking of
    days of yore, DOS 5's DOSShell had this great little read-only file viewer that not many people knew
    about. Options to display binary files in literal ascii or hex. Sometimes one could discern the
    secret install key in certain software pkgs with it. It was dropped from DOS 6 for some reason.

    cheers, Tom

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  20. Tom Keats

    Tom Keats Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    JohnB <[email protected]> writes:

    > Extreme it may seem, but this *is* one reason why i do not drive. I do not wish to be part of that
    > culture that kills and injures so many.
    >
    > If you drive you contribute towards the problems that motoring inflicts on society.

    You've summed up my feelings on the matter, to a tee.

    You are not alone.

    cheers, Tom

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