....seems to me I used to not have a problem, but for the past year, everytime I make a fresh pizza, no matter what I try, the CRUST is SOFT. I'll tell you what I do every time below and then I follow it with the other things I've tried...just to save some time here. EVERY TIME -Use trader joe's pizza dough. (both the white and wheat doughs) -Hand toss to stretch it out to large pizza size (thin) -Roll the ball in flower before start and add flower as needed if it gets sticky. (Doing this i can pretty easily toss/stretch the dough. If the dough is cold I'll let it rest a bit once in a while which seems to help.) -Pre-heat oven and pans/stones to 425 ( have tried 375 too). Think 475+ is the trick? -I get all my ingredients ready before hand, when the oven and pan/stone are hot I take it out, throw on the dough, add the normal pizza toppings, and cook for about 10 minutes (until cheese is bubbling and starting to brown on top.) I don't use too much sauce (one ladel full, maybe a little more). I don't use too many wet ingredients. A lot of times its just a plain pizza as well. Have even tried white pizzas where I rub the crust with a little pesto or oil and add cheese. HAVE TRIED -both pans and stones -both dry and lightly oiled pan/stone -sprinkel of corn flower on the pan or stone -pre-cooked the crust for about 5 minutes until it just started to set up and be dry on the outside, but not browned anywhere. should I precook longer? If precooking the crust is the solution, I'll try it again, but pizza parlors don't have to do it. They just make up a heaping fresh pizza and slide it in the hot oven. I'd also like to avoid any of those pans w/ holes or screens that I've seen. No gimmicks, just straight up pizza on a natural pan or stone surface please. I think that's about it. I'm not sure if its the dough I'm using or part of my process, but I really miss a crisp thin crust pizza! I'm at my wits end here if anyone has suggestions. Sorry for the long email, but wanted to let you know I've tried a lot of things. Tops of the pizzas look great, by the way, but when you pick up a slice it droops like a wet noodle. Help this Jersey transplant make some good pizza in a world surrounded by chain pizza joints! Thanks!