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I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just started
a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
that is fairly strong.

Gareth
 
On 2006-11-28, gareth price <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just started
> a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
> that is fairly strong.
>
> Gareth
>
>


Horses for courses, but I have a Thorn Sherpa, and I'm very happy with
it.

http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/sherpa.html

Similar build to your good self.

HTH

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"gareth price" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just
> started a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need
> something that is fairly strong.
>
> Gareth
>

Gareth,
Now that, I am sure, will get a deluge of replies. My personal stance is to
go for a hybrid bike with road, Kevlar protected tyres ( I use Schwalbe
marathon plus). Within the price range you have given there is a wealth of
choice of excellent bikes. It all depends on what you plan to use it for --
but for a first bike, a hybrid, used mainly on road for commuting plus
occasional off road tracks, is a sound option

In the end, regardless of what might be said here, go to a good local bike
shop and ask for help. It is what I did some 4 years ago after I had spent
hours/days on net and in bike shops looking at bikes about which I had no
opinions at all. My LBS turned up trumps for me ( JE James of Rotherham).

I tried out a couple of bikes and listened to some very positive advice --
this was in my 66th year and I said I was going to cycle to Spain! It is
undoubtedly the only way to go.

I am sure that, if you tell the group where you are, then a suitable LBS
will be recommended. For a first time buy do not purchase on net. You need
the advice and to be sure that the bike you finally buy is set up correctly
to suit you before cycling gaily away!

Despite my rant of today I have had a huge improvement of lifestyle since
taking up cycling again

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
 
gareth price said the following on 28/11/2006 08:27:
> I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just started
> a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
> that is fairly strong.


What do you want to use the bike for? Just cycling to work, or a bit of
off-road, towpaths, road rides?

The reason for asking is that at 20st you will need a f***ing strong
bike to go off-road (apart from tow-paths etc.). This info just helps
us to help you, so you don't get bombarded with suggestions for bikes
that don't suit the riding you want to do! ISTR that many off-road
bikes, for instance, specify a maximum rider weight of around 15st.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
"Paul Boyd" <usenet.dont.work@plusnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> gareth price said the following on 28/11/2006 08:27:
> > I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just

started
> > a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need

something
> > that is fairly strong.

>
> What do you want to use the bike for? Just cycling to work, or a bit of
> off-road, towpaths, road rides?
>
> The reason for asking is that at 20st you will need a f***ing strong
> bike to go off-road (apart from tow-paths etc.). This info just helps
> us to help you, so you don't get bombarded with suggestions for bikes
> that don't suit the riding you want to do! ISTR that many off-road
> bikes, for instance, specify a maximum rider weight of around 15st.
>

For a 4 mile commute I use a cheap Giant MTB with hand-built wheels (even at
a mere 17 stone I was trashing machine-built wheels). I found a hybrid
wasn't up to my "riding style".

Front suspension is good for elderly wrists. And I found a suspension
seatpost was essential once I'd swapped the knobblies for kevlar road tyres.
 
gentlegreen wrote:

> For a 4 mile commute I use a cheap Giant MTB with hand-built wheels (even at
> a mere 17 stone I was trashing machine-built wheels). I found a hybrid
> wasn't up to my "riding style".


There's hybrids and there's hybrids, some will suit some riding styles,
others won't.

> Front suspension is good for elderly wrists.


Even better for elderly wrists may well be not leaning so much onto them
in the first place, which you can achieve with a more upright riding
position.

> And I found a suspension
> seatpost was essential once I'd swapped the knobblies for kevlar road tyres.


I don't really see why: you get a smoother ride from smoother tyres. If
it's the higher pressure/narrower profile that's getting you down then
it makes a lot of sense to use a tyre like Schwalbe Big Apples, which
are fat /and/ smooth.

If I had a 4 mile commute and wanted a very reliable bike that could
take big loads, if there wasn't anything hilly in the way then IMHO a
Dutch-style roadster would be something to consider. That they're tough
is easily deduced from the number you see carrying spare friends on the
back rack in NL, and there's no weight on the wrists to speak of. A
good sprung saddle takes out most of the bumps. Very comfortable, and
with full chaincase and hub gears very low maintenance.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Following on from gareth price's message. . .
>I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just started
>a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
>that is fairly strong.
>
>Gareth
>
>

Good news.

Whilst you can get suggestions here for bike
styles/makes/accessories/configurations, I think you're better off
telling us where you live so local urcers can recommend good LBSs and
take it from there.


--
PETER FOX Not the same since the deckchair business folded
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www.eminent.demon.co.uk - Lots for cyclists
 
Peter Fox wrote on 28/11/2006 11:19 +0100:
> Following on from gareth price's message. . .
>> I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just
>> started
>> a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
>> that is fairly strong.
>>
>> Gareth
>>
>>

> Good news.
>
> Whilst you can get suggestions here for bike
> styles/makes/accessories/configurations, I think you're better off
> telling us where you live so local urcers can recommend good LBSs and
> take it from there.
>


If its a work scheme the OP will most likely have to work through
Halfords, which is not a place I would seek advice from. If he's lucky
it will be Cyclescheme but then the LBS will be the local scheme member.

So the real question is what does he want to use if for, how far, what
terrain (hilly, flat, East Anglia?), just cycling or mixed mode (with
train, bus, car?) etc


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
 
OK I've read the replies so heres some extra information.
I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a mountain bike.
I'm riding from Caldicot in Wales to Aztec West in bristol
My work scheme is through halfords.

Gareth


gareth price wrote:
> I've got between 500-1000 pounds to spend on a bike as work has just started
> a scheme to buy bikes with out the tax. I'm 20st & 6ft so need something
> that is fairly strong.
>
> Gareth
 
gaza wrote:
> OK I've read the replies so heres some extra information.
> I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a mountain bike.
> I'm riding from Caldicot in Wales to Aztec West in bristol
> My work scheme is through halfords.


I could understand "I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a hybrid",
but since there are loads of hybrids that are very different to MTBs I'm
not sure why you discount them...

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
gaza wrote on 28/11/2006 14:22 +0100:
> OK I've read the replies so heres some extra information.
> I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a mountain bike.
> I'm riding from Caldicot in Wales to Aztec West in bristol
> My work scheme is through halfords.
>


You want something road bike oriented (a hybrid is really a road bike
but without the drop bars rather than a modified mountain bike). Have a
look in the touring bike ranges of Dawes or Thorn (in Bridgewater).
Alternatively for a much cheaper option, buy some new wheels with slick
tyres for your mountain bike so you can easily swap them over between
commuting or off-road riding.


--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
 
> OK I've read the replies so heres some extra information.
> I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a mountain bike.
> I'm riding from Caldicot in Wales to Aztec West in bristol
> My work scheme is through halfords.


Hmmm, well for commuting bikes there's the Carrera Subway 8. Has low
maintenance things like hub gears and stuff. Halfords sell 'em too, which
makes things simpler.

If you want something completely different from the mtb have a looksie
round the internet for 'Audax' or 'fast touring' bikes. These are
basically road bikes that can take mudguards, a rack and often a more
relaxed geometry (i.e. less twitchy steering). I presume halfords will get
you anything you want?
 
Because I want a road bike not a hybrid. Why would I want a bike to do
something less well than something I already have. I have slick tyres for
my Mountain bike and not interested in hybrids.

Gareth


"Peter Clinch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> gaza wrote:
>> OK I've read the replies so heres some extra information.
>> I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a mountain bike.
>> I'm riding from Caldicot in Wales to Aztec West in bristol
>> My work scheme is through halfords.

>
> I could understand "I don't want a hybrid as I've already got a hybrid",
> but since there are loads of hybrids that are very different to MTBs I'm
> not sure why you discount them...
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
My employer tried to set up the ride to work scheme but abandoned it
after trying for a year. The problems related to the need to create a
finance agreement between employer and employee. I cannot understand
why the government has created this scheme but then burdened it with
this ludicrous requirement which then makes it fall foul of some of its
other legislation (ie beneficial staff loans). I can only presume that
they have set up the scheme to appear 'green' but added this finance
requirement to restrict the uptake to as few employers as possible.
 
On 28 Nov 2006 13:33:43 -0800, raisethe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> My employer tried to set up the ride to work scheme but abandoned it
> after trying for a year.


Whereas my employer decided to set up the scheme and just did it - a
few weeks thinking, then one week from executive board deciding to do
it to first bike ordered.

> The problems related to the need to create a finance agreement
> between employer and employee. I cannot understand why the
> government has created this scheme but then burdened it with this
> ludicrous requirement which then makes it fall foul of some of its
> other legislation (ie beneficial staff loans).


It doesn't. I'd suspect your employer of telling porkies. The
'scheme' is nothing but an exemption from benefit-in-kind taxation.
Anything else is your employer's addition. Most employers want a
salary sacrifice to recover the cost to the company of the bike, but
unless you're on (or barely above) the minimum wage, salary sacrifice
is not particularly difficult to arrange.

> they have set up the scheme to appear 'green' but added this finance
> requirement to restrict the uptake to as few employers as possible.


The government does not impose any finance requirement, beside
limiting the value to 1000 pounds (unless your employer has an
appropriate consumer credit act licence)

As previously discussed - the scheme is potentially very simple
and potentially very good value to the employee, but lots of employers
seem intent on adding extra conditions that make it complex,
inflexible and poor value.

For reference, the scheme at the company where I work is that you can
have any bike (even last year's model already discounted), from any
supplier who will accept either a company cheque or company credit
card (we're yet to find a supplier that won't), up to the 1000 pounds
consumer credit act limit. You must make a salary sacrifice, but that
reflects the price paid by the company, ie you don't pay for the
income tax, NI, or VAT. The company doesn't reduce its contribution
to your pension fund during the period of the sacrifice, it pays as
much as if you didn't take a sacrifice. The company doesn't add any
administration charges, but it pockets the NI employers contribution
saving. You can buy the bike when you like. Having completed the
salary sacrifice, you can do the negotiation to buy the bike, but the
company is happy if you just keep riding it without buying it. The
only teensy ****le is that the company says you must buy a helmet at
the same time (but after intensive lobbying, no longer says you need
to wear it having bought it).

regards, Ian SMith
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raisethe wrote on 28/11/2006 21:33 +0100:
> My employer tried to set up the ride to work scheme but abandoned it
> after trying for a year. The problems related to the need to create a
> finance agreement between employer and employee. I cannot understand
> why the government has created this scheme but then burdened it with
> this ludicrous requirement which then makes it fall foul of some of its
> other legislation (ie beneficial staff loans). I can only presume that
> they have set up the scheme to appear 'green' but added this finance
> requirement to restrict the uptake to as few employers as possible.
>


I think your employer must have misunderstood things or are looking for
an excuse. Its actually quite simple and if you sign up with
Cyclescheme or (spit) Halfrauds (spit) they take care of it all for you.
There is no conflict with the beneficial staff loans.

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Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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Ian Smith wrote on 28/11/2006 22:13 +0100:
>
> The government does not impose any finance requirement, beside
> limiting the value to 1000 pounds (unless your employer has an
> appropriate consumer credit act licence)
>


Above £1000 you can do what I did which is pay the difference yourself.
At least you still get the first £1000 through the scheme that way

--
Tony

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wildly inaccurate..."
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:12:27 -0000, "gareth price"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Because I want a road bike not a hybrid. Why would I want a bike to do
>something less well than something I already have. I have slick tyres for
>my Mountain bike and not interested in hybrids.


I was in the same position a couple of years ago. I had a mountain
bike, with slicks, full mud guards and carrier, and wanted something
more for the road. A good touring bike will give you the strength you
need. I settled on a Thorn Raven Tour, and two years later we are
still very happy together. However, with various upgrades to the
standard model, and some carbon bling (my main vice) the cost came
close to £2,000.

Someone has mentioned the Thorn Sherpa (from £799), and that's a good
suggestion if you are happy to forego the hub gears and hub dynamo.
 
gareth price wrote:
> Because I want a road bike not a hybrid. Why would I want a bike to do
> something less well than something I already have. I have slick tyres for
> my Mountain bike and not interested in hybrids.


Like I say, "hybrids" cover a big range, which includes serious road
specific machinery. Putting slicks on an MTB doesn't make it into a
road bike with anything like the capabilities of, say, a Ridgeback
Genesis Day 03 or a Cannondale Bad Boy.

I don't want to put you off alternatives and I'm not saying you must get
a hybrid, I just want you to see that "hybrid" covers far more bases and
models than you seem to be assuming.

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
 
Ian Smith wrote:
>
> It doesn't. I'd suspect your employer of telling porkies. The
> 'scheme' is nothing but an exemption from benefit-in-kind taxation.
> Anything else is your employer's addition. Most employers want a
> salary sacrifice to recover the cost to the company of the bike, but
> unless you're on (or barely above) the minimum wage, salary sacrifice
> is not particularly difficult to arrange.
>
> > they have set up the scheme to appear 'green' but added this finance
> > requirement to restrict the uptake to as few employers as possible.

>
> The government does not impose any finance requirement, beside
> limiting the value to 1000 pounds (unless your employer has an
> appropriate consumer credit act licence)
>
> As previously discussed - the scheme is potentially very simple
> and potentially very good value to the employee, but lots of employers
> seem intent on adding extra conditions that make it complex,
> inflexible and poor value.
>
> For reference, the scheme at the company where I work is that you can
> have any bike (even last year's model already discounted), from any
> supplier who will accept either a company cheque or company credit
> card (we're yet to find a supplier that won't), up to the 1000 pounds
> consumer credit act limit. You must make a salary sacrifice, but that
> reflects the price paid by the company, ie you don't pay for the
> income tax, NI, or VAT. The company doesn't reduce its contribution
> to your pension fund during the period of the sacrifice, it pays as
> much as if you didn't take a sacrifice. The company doesn't add any
> administration charges, but it pockets the NI employers contribution
> saving. You can buy the bike when you like. Having completed the
> salary sacrifice, you can do the negotiation to buy the bike, but the
> company is happy if you just keep riding it without buying it. The
> only teensy ****le is that the company says you must buy a helmet at
> the same time (but after intensive lobbying, no longer says you need
> to wear it having bought it).
>


I don't think my employer is acting dishonourably, although it would
appear that they are getting bogged down in unnecessary detail.
Nevertheless, I do not understand the compulsion for a credit scheme as
this seems to cause unnecessary complications.

Anyway, I suppose there is no harm in going back to my directors and
making use of yours and Tony Raven's comments to see if they will have
a rethink. It is rather annoying that (a) I am losing £400, that I
would otherwise be entitled to, because of red tape, and (b) that this
has delayed my new bike purchase by several months thereby keeping me
off the road.