padawan said:
Hey JTE83,
Can I ask why you're thinking clinchers as opposed to tubulars when you buy your 404s? I'm faced with the same decision but I figure since I'll probably only use the 404s for racing (aside from the occasional "show off the bling" ride) I figured I go with tubulars to take advantage of the (minor) additional weight savings and road feel.
I know the clincher/tublular battle has raged on in other posts, I just like to hear others' opinions (which is why I'm on a public forum I guess).
But I have to agree, there's nothing like a set of 404s to make a bike look fast.
Pad
Well, I'm gonna use the Zipp 404s for everyday use as well as racing. So I want to avoid the hassle of tubulars. Ideally I thought Tufos were best but a study found that they have high rolling resistance. So a clincher Zipp 404 with low rolling resistance tires may be faster that a tubular one (except on acceleration). Here's a list of tire rolling resistance data I got from the web --
here's the list with the clincher and tubular test data included:
Tire Crr
Deda Tre Giro d'Italia 0.0038
Vittoria Open Corsa Evo CX 0.0039
Michelin Pro 2 Race 0.0042
Vittoria Diamante Pro Rain 0.0044
Michelin Megamium 2 0.0047
Pariba Revolution 0.0048
*Veloflex Carbon (Tubular) 0.0049 $79 only in black
Michelin Carbon 0.0050
*Gommitalia Route du Nord (Tubular) 0.0050
Panaracer Stradius Pro 0.0051
Schwalbe Stelvio Plus 0.0052
*Gommitalia Platinum (Tubular) 0.0053
*Vittoria Corsa Evo CX (Tubular) 0.0054
Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Front 0.0056
Continental GP Force (rear specific) 0.0057
Hutchinson Fusion 0.0057
Schwalbe Stelvio Evolution Rear 0.0057
*Vittoria Corsa Evo KS (Tubular) 0.0057
Continental Ultra GatorSkin 0.0058
Ritchey Pro Race Slick WCS 0.0058
Schwalbe Stelvio 0.0059
*Continental Competition (Tubular) 0.0059
*Veloflex Roubaix (Tubular) 0.0059
*Contintal Podium (Tubular) 0.0060
Specialized S-Works Mondo 0.0061
Continental GP 3000 0.0067
Hutchinson Top Speed 0.0069
*Schwalbe Stelvio (Tubular) 0.0069
Continental GP Attack (front specific) 0.0073
*Tufo Elite Jet (Tubular) 0.0073
*Schwalbe Montello 300 (Tubular) 0.0075
*Tufo Hi-Composite Carbon (Tubular) 0.0077Some people were arguing that you can attain the same low rolling resistance with tbulars by using track glue which it seems dries stiff comparing to road glue that droes ''gummy''.
A CF Soloist just looks best with Zipp 404s !