HELP: Times Climbing l'Alpe d'huez

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  1. sopas

    sopas New Member

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    Hello guys,

    As you know I am compiling all the history's times climbing L'Alpe d'huez. I managed to find most of them but some are missing. I was wondering if you could help me with Guerini's time in 1999 and Hampsten's time in 1992. Also if you find or can calculte the times of other riders that would be great too. If you know the time of the winner of a year then just by looking at the stage's results we can get the times of the others.

    Thank you very much.

    Times Climbing l'Alpe d'huez

    39:17 - Klöden 2004 (ITT)
    38:37 - Ullrich 2004 (ITT)
    37:36 - Armstrong 2004 (ITT)

    41:18 - Armstrong 2003
    40:51 - Vinokourov 2003
    39:06 - Mayo 2003

    40:00 - Ullrich 2001
    38:01 - Armstrong 2001 (this is the famous stage of "The Look")


    ??:?? - Tonkov 1999
    ??:?? - Guerini 1999 (This is the stage where Guerini was brought down by an spectator)

    39:02 - Virenque 1997
    38:23 - Ullrich 1997
    37:35 - Pantani 1997 (current record)

    39:30 - Riis 1995
    39:28 - Indurain/Zulle 1995
    38:04 - Pantani 1995

    38:00 - Pantani 1994
    ??:?? - Hampsten, 1992
    39:45 - Indurain, 1991

    39:44 - Bugno, 1991
    41:50 - Fignon 1989
    48:00 - Hinault/Lemond 1986
    45:22 - Coppi 1952
     
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  2. whiteboytrash

    whiteboytrash New Member

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    Times Climbing l'Alpe d'huez with EPO

    37:36 - Armstrong 2004 (ITT)
    41:18 - Armstrong 2003
    38:01 - Armstrong 2001 (this is the famous stage when he had a particularly good batch of EPO)

    39:02 - Virenque 1997

    37:35 - Pantani 1997 (current record)
    38:04 - Pantani 1995


    39:28 - Zulle 1995
    38:00 - Pantani 1994

    Times Climbing l'Alpe d'huez without EPO

    39:17 - Klöden 2004 (ITT)
    38:37 - Ullrich 2004 (ITT)
    40:51 - Vinokourov 2003
    39:06 - Mayo 2003
    40:00 - Ullrich 2001
    ??:?? - Tonkov 1999

    ??:?? - Guerini 1999 (This is the stage where Guerini was brought down by an spectator)
    38:23 - Ullrich 1997
    39:30 - Riis 1995
    39:28 - Indurain/Zulle 1995
    ??:?? - Hampsten, 1992
    39:45 - Indurain, 1991

    39:44 - Bugno, 1991
    41:50 - Fignon 1989
    48:00 - Hinault/Lemond 1986
    45:22 - Coppi 1952

     
  3. sopas

    sopas New Member

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    Hey whiteboytrash,

    I have not asked whether they took EPO or not, OK? I just want to know the times. So please stop it.
     
  4. thebluetrain

    thebluetrain New Member

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    He cant help himself. I predict he will be the next Flyer(aka a Doping Troll). :p
     
  5. velofan

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    Only if they start at the bottom together.


    I looked but I can't find Guerinis time anywhere
     
  6. Bjorn P.Dal

    Bjorn P.Dal New Member

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    Note: Armstrong's time over the 13.8 km of climbing (excluding the 1.7 km of flat at the start) was 37'36, one second slower than Marco Pantani's "official" record of 37'35 set in 1997. But Pantani's time was actually 36'55 when measured from the start of the climb (as Armstrong was today). Pantani also rode 36'50 for the climb in 1995, which remains the best performance up l'Alpe d'Huez.

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/tour04/?id=results/stage16
     
  7. sopas

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    OK, in the 2004 TT, Armstrong time was 39.41 over 15.5 km. Since the actual climbing is 13.8 km there you have the 1.7 km, so his real time for the climb was 37:36.

    BUT, are you sure Pantani's times I have given have not been already given after taking into consideration the start of the actual climb only? I think the cyclingnews.com website got the things wrong.
     
  8. bobke

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    I did it this summer in just under two hours he he :), but I stopped for cafe at km5 (when I got my time splits and realized I was going slower than Sheryl Crow's time which I think was 1 hour 25 minutes, quite respectable) other wise would defintely done it under 1 hour 25--but this was after 100 km and the Galibier.

    What is very deceiving besides how ridiculously steep the bottom five km are--besides swithchbacks-- I'm talking like >12% for most of the pitches-- is when you come out with only 4-5 km to go you are quite exposed, since the thing is just carved into the side of the mountain, and there is huge wind headwind one direction then tailwind after next switchback, but much more wind than other alpine climbs. Depending on the day etc a huge factor.

    Dont know Guerini's time but probably faster than mine.
    Hope this helps.
     
  9. velofan

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    You got beat by Sheryl Crow?! No wonder you're such an Armstrong fan, even his 'ridden hard and hung up wet' girlfriend is better than you


    hehe j/k
     
  10. bobke

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    Depressing, eh?
    she weighs like 105 pounds whereas I weigh 105 kg...he he
     
  11. Paolo

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    Jan and kloeden are in the exact same boat as la
    they are both trained by a doctor of bad reputation
    plus guerini is said to have abused simeoni when he got back in the peleton last year. plus mayo has suddenly gone downhill after they sacked their doctor
    and as for riis or should i say mr 60%, you're havin a larf
     
  12. bobke

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    I've been thinking about the lack of time for Guerini. I will go back and check the 12 hour version of the 99 TdF I own, but as I recall the big contenders were together at the base--the Yellow Jersey Group--with Lance, Tyler, Tonkov, Zulle, Escartin, Beltran etc.

    Stephane Heulot and Terry Bourguignon were up the road several kms after a day-long soon to be doomed escape.

    Beltran attacks the group to set something up fo Zulle--Lance famously turns to Tyler and says "You're not gonna let Beltran do that to you are you?" later reported in his book-- then the coverage goes back up the road to Stephane Heulot. Then comes back to Lance et al and the group is splitting up with the attacks, Tyler gets dropped, then all of a sudden Guerini is there. So I think he either had a mechanical or had to chase up to the Yellow Jersey group after the initial accelerations, so there were no times at when he crossed the base.

    I will go back and check.
     
  13. sopas

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    THanks a lot for that.
    I think Guerini's time must be about 39' something but no more than 40 minutes. Just my guess.
     
  14. ilpirata

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    I believe you may be correct Bjorn.

    And in 1995 he actually takes the wrong turn just before the finish, and loses at least 5 seconds before correcting himself.;)

     
  15. Bjorn P.Dal

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    Forgot the " ", sorry. All the above is a direct quote from the cyclingnews page.
     
  16. Rob81

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    Epo (and other hematic forms of doping) was introduced in early '90, so useless to list non epo vs. epo times:(

    Interesting to see the gap before and after 1990, but we have to remember a last climb time is always influenced by meteo and climbs/stages before.
     
  17. Fredrik1

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    "As you know I am compiling all the history's times climbing L'Alpe d'huez. I managed to find most of them but some are missing. I was wondering if you could help me with Guerini's time in 1999 and Hampsten's time in 1992. Also if you find or can calculte the times of other riders that would be great too. If you know the time of the winner of a year then just by looking at the stage's results we can get the times of the others.
    Thank you very much."


    Between 1994 and 1997 the climb was for some reason timed from 14.5km from the finish. Pantanis time from the corner which makes the start of the climb was neither 37.35 or 36.55 in 1997, but actually 36.42, I´ve clocked the time myself. In 1994 Pantani also was faster than reported, in 37.15. I don´t know about his 95 performance but 36.50 sounds much more likely than 38.04.

    Armstrongs time in 2001 from that same corner was 38.01 as reported. Intresting that Ullrich actually was faster in 1997 with 37.29, even faster than Lance was in 2004 in the time trial.

    Another great perfomance I think by Mayo (39.06) if considering the slow tempo in the middle sections of the climb and the heat.

    As I´ve climbed it myself a few times I´ve noticed that the wind in fact can have a great impact on the time. Especially a few kilometers from the finish were the terrain opens up and the road goes straight up

    Guerinis time by the way was 41.52
     
  18. bobke

    bobke New Member

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    Ummm, how did YOU time Pantani's supposed 36 minute whatever ascent of the ALpe?

    And Ullrich if memory serves, was 47 seconds slower than Pantani on the Alpe in 1997 which would not make his time anywhere near 37 but more like 38 plus minutes. SLower than Lance in other words.

    I have wondered the same thing myself though.
    You cant really compare times up the ALpe except time trials, in my opinion.
    Even time trials are affected by what stages went before, the weather, and yes having ridden Alpe d'Huez this summer THE WIND which I have never really been aware of before...it was a major factor the day I rode, and not just at the top.

    But the 1997 stage to the Alpe was small potatoes compared with the 2001 TdF stage. 2001: 209 km, the Madeleine, the Glandon, then the Alpe. I belive in 97 that there was only one climb on the way before the Alpe. Also 1997 was pre-Festina so all records should have an asterick by it.

    I dont know what the reference you are using about the times and timing but it looks suspect.
     
  19. barnstorm

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    how do you plan to factor in Guerini getting knocked on his a$$ by Eric the photographer. Funny now but a real bummer if he hadn't still won. That was an amazing attack because he had only just left the group when he got knocked down and was able to get up and stay clear easily. Shows he was really flying at the top.
     
  20. ilpirata

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    Guerini always has been a great climber. One has to wonder what he might have been able to do as a team captain with aims at a gc placement in a grand tour. But i believe he has always been a leutenant.
     
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