herbal remedies for IBD

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by name, Apr 10, 2005.

  1. name

    name Guest

    Hello.

    My name is Niek Sprakel, living in Utrecht (in the Netherlands) and I'm
    29 years of age. I've been diagnosed with IBD since a few years. The
    doctors can't seem to determine whether it's Crohn's Disease or
    Ulcerative Colitis. I've been temporarily on prednisone twice which is
    effective to eliminate rectal bleeding.
    I've also tried pentasa (mesalazine) and entocort which didn't seem to
    work very well. Currently I'm on imuran (azathioprine) which seems
    fairly effective to eliminate or reduce the symptoms.
    However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
    control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.

    I've been exploring http://www.rain-tree.com/ a bit but I'd love to
    hear from other people who also suffer from IBD about their experiences
    with herbal remedies. For instance Pao d'Arco,
    Cat's Claw or other herbs.

    Thanks a lot for any feedback on this issue, kind regards, Niek
     
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  2. TC

    TC Guest

    name wrote:
    > Hello.
    >
    > My name is Niek Sprakel, living in Utrecht (in the Netherlands) and

    I'm
    > 29 years of age. I've been diagnosed with IBD since a few years. The
    > doctors can't seem to determine whether it's Crohn's Disease or
    > Ulcerative Colitis. I've been temporarily on prednisone twice which

    is
    > effective to eliminate rectal bleeding.
    > I've also tried pentasa (mesalazine) and entocort which didn't seem

    to
    > work very well. Currently I'm on imuran (azathioprine) which seems
    > fairly effective to eliminate or reduce the symptoms.
    > However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
    > control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.
    >
    > I've been exploring http://www.rain-tree.com/ a bit but I'd love to
    > hear from other people who also suffer from IBD about their

    experiences
    > with herbal remedies. For instance Pao d'Arco,
    > Cat's Claw or other herbs.
    >
    > Thanks a lot for any feedback on this issue, kind regards, Niek


    Forget herbal remedies, read this book:

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...002-8936123-1315226?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

    Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet
    by Elaine Gloria Gottschall

    Read the reviews.

    TC
     
  3. Ken.W

    Ken.W Guest

    You may want to read this book before you dive into anything...it's called "
    What your Doctor Doesn't Know About Nutritional Medicine Maybe Killing You "
    By Ray Strand
    It's been a big help in putting a battle plan together that
    has kept me healthy and mostly symptom free of my crohn's disease all these
    years.


    "name" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >
    > Hello.
    >
    > My name is Niek Sprakel, living in Utrecht (in the Netherlands) and I'm
    > 29 years of age. I've been diagnosed with IBD since a few years. The
    > doctors can't seem to determine whether it's Crohn's Disease or
    > Ulcerative Colitis. I've been temporarily on prednisone twice which is
    > effective to eliminate rectal bleeding.
    > I've also tried pentasa (mesalazine) and entocort which didn't seem to
    > work very well. Currently I'm on imuran (azathioprine) which seems
    > fairly effective to eliminate or reduce the symptoms.
    > However, I'd prefer to find an alternative form of medication to
    > control or ameliorate my condition based on herbal medicine.
    >
    > I've been exploring http://www.rain-tree.com/ a bit but I'd love to
    > hear from other people who also suffer from IBD about their experiences
    > with herbal remedies. For instance Pao d'Arco,
    > Cat's Claw or other herbs.
    >
    > Thanks a lot for any feedback on this issue, kind regards, Niek
    >
     
  4. annie

    annie Guest

    hi niek and welcome to the group
    you might have "crohns colitis" which is a combination of them(which is
    what i have)
    i am on asacol, 6mp and cipro along with stuff for nausea and pain...
    there are no "cures'...some herbal things that help me are chamomile,
    mint of any sort(we grow it) and herbal teas(most of them)
    you will find all sorts of people using all sorts of things...run
    anything u are trying by your doctor first...most doctors will let u do
    some experimentation...herbal things work for some people..not for
    others...good luck
    annie
     
  5. montygram

    montygram Guest

    I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
    said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
    few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
    always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
    got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
    You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
    your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
    nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
    stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
    lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.

    If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
    that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
    took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
    osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
    doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
    which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
    Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
    fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
    not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
    sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
    from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
    acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
    when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
    your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
    any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
    (which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
    some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
    are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
    unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
    fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
    often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
    cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
    goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
    You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
    the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
    may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
    months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
    message because you want some alternative opinions.
     
  6. Ken.W

    Ken.W Guest

    Awesome post!!
    "montygram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
    > said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
    > few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
    > always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
    > got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
    > You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
    > your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
    > nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
    > stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
    > lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.
    >
    > If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
    > that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
    > took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
    > osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
    > doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
    > which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
    > Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
    > fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
    > not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
    > sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
    > from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
    > acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
    > when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
    > your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
    > any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
    > (which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
    > some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
    > are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
    > unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
    > fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
    > often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
    > cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
    > goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
    > You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
    > the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
    > may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
    > months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
    > message because you want some alternative opinions.
    >
     
  7. joni

    joni Guest

  8. montygram

    montygram Guest

    You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
    this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
    All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
    you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
    serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
    just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare you
    some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
    did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done. If
    you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?
    There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
    and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to adulthood
    and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some part
    of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
    tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses your
    skin cells, for example. The alternative model says that your body is
    a time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save
    you. Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various
    elimination diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also have
    to see if you have enough stomach acid.
     
  9. montygram

    montygram Guest

    You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
    this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
    All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
    you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
    serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
    just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare you
    some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
    did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done. If
    you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?
    There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
    and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to adulthood
    and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some part
    of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
    tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses your
    skin cells, for example. The mainstream model says that your body is a
    time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save you.
    Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various elimination
    diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also have to see if
    you have enough stomach acid.
     
  10. So sorry to hear about illness. I suffered under Drs care from colitis
    for 20 years then started experimenting with alternatives. I became 90%
    better by taking quality multi-enzymes. Walking non stop at least 30
    minutes a day and eating the least amount of junk as possible helps
    alot.
    7 years Med free
    Stan
     
  11. Robert

    Robert Guest

    "Ken.W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Awesome post!!


    I like the part about the acid you need to take.
    Maybe battery acid?

    > "montygram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > >I would not worry about the labels doctors use. My gastroenterologist
    > > said I had "irritable bowel," even though I had lost 30 pounds with a
    > > few months. When questioned, he said, "yes, that is odd, but we can
    > > always do more tests." I was glad I didn't - a bunch of patients who
    > > got an endoscopy at a local hospital were exposed to HIV and Hep C.
    > > You should determine what the cause is - what is actually going on in
    > > your body. In my case, it was likely marasmus, due to my diet (high in
    > > nuts, seeds, whole grains, and legumes). Yeast overgrowth and low
    > > stomach acid resulted. Then I became deficient in B12 (and probably a
    > > lot of other things). I also dceveloped severe osteoporosiss, etc.
    > >
    > > If you take a lot of drugs, you may develop so many "complications"
    > > that you will never be able to determine what the root cause is. I
    > > took stomach acid and pepsin supplements, and calcium citrate for the
    > > osteoporosis (along with plenty of butter, which is crucial), but one
    > > doctor wanted me to take drugs that block stomach acid production,
    > > which probably would have killed me. Another doctor told me to take
    > > Vioxx - another brilliant idea. It sounds to me like you want a quick
    > > fix, a magic pill, but that's just not going to work here. You have
    > > not given us enough details to research your condition. I've got all
    > > sorts of reference books, including the complete cyclopedia of medicine
    > > from the 1920s, which was the only source that recommended stomach
    > > acid, which, as I said, helped me overcome this condition. Let me know
    > > when it starteed, what was going on at the time, including details on
    > > your diet, what supplements you take, if any, what drugs you take, if
    > > any, exactly what all of your symptoms are and when the developed
    > > (which came first after how long a period of time), etc., and I'll do
    > > some research for you. In the meantime, you should avoid foods that
    > > are undeniably stressors, which means any dairy with carrageenan in it,
    > > unsaturated fatty acids (except in trace amounts), anything with a high
    > > fiber content, any legumes that are not fermented, nuts and seeds (so
    > > often they are rancid or contain aflatoxin), and any cholesterol source
    > > cooked while exposed to air. Stay away from excess iron and also baked
    > > goods with dairy or eggs listed as ingredients. Boiled eggs are good.
    > > You will have to do some work to cure this condition. If you listen to
    > > the doctors, they will only mask the symptoms with drugs, and even that
    > > may be marginally effective, and your symptoms might come back within
    > > months. It's up to you, of course, but I'm assuming you posted your
    > > message because you want some alternative opinions.
    > >

    >
    >
     
  12. Robert

    Robert Guest

    "montygram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause, then
    > this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to business.
    > All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say if
    > you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be
    > serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,


    Let me be presumptuous in saying that there is a difference between IBD
    inflammatory bowel disease and IBS irritable bowel syndrome.
    He said he doesn't trust modern medicine so invasive testing is out of the
    question for him I presume. You have to be respectful of people's wishes.
     
  13. name

    name Guest

    montygram wrote:
    > You reply is somewhat contradictory, because if there is no cause,

    then
    > this means it is natural for you! Anyway, let's get down to

    business.
    > All that bleeding is certainly cause for concern, and you didn't say

    if
    > you had a colonoscopy, a barium test, or an endoscopy. It could be


    Yes I did have an endoscopy twice. The first time (right after the
    blood transfusion) the results were somewhat inconclusive but hinted at
    Crohn's Disease. The second time (when I was on prednisone for the
    second time), the results seemed to hint at Ulcerative Colitis
    somewhat, but still inconclusive. They also tested my blood for
    anti-bodies to determine whether it was Crohn or Colitis and this
    didn't provide any clarity either. Every time I see the specialist
    (quite regularly, at least every few months), they test my blood.
    I also forgot to mention I used to smoke tobacco but quit long before
    the symptoms developed (in 1999).

    > serious. In my case, my food was not being digested. No bleeding,
    > just large pieces of undigested food in the feces, and I'll spare

    you
    > some of the other details. So, I'd like to know about the tests they
    > did so far, and of course, what the results were, if any were done.

    If
    > you want legumes, why not go with tempeh, which is fermented soy?


    Oh yeah ok. I do eat tempeh sometimes.

    > There is an alternative biomedical model that is based in biophysics
    > and biochemistry. It is based on the idea that if you got to

    adulthood
    > and were okay, the only reason for "disease" to occur is that some

    part
    > of your body is being stressed. It could be on the cellular or
    > tissue/organ level. Too much sun, which is UV radiation, stresses

    your
    > skin cells, for example. The alternative model says that your body

    is
    > a time bomb, just waiting to go off, but that magic pills will save
    > you. Once you tell me about the tests, I would suggest various
    > elimination diets, which remove stressful foods, and you will also

    have
    > to see if you have enough stomach acid.
     
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