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  1. MrBitsy said:
    Brimstone said:
    MrBitsy said:

    Peter Twydell wrote:
    > In message <[email hidden]>, MrBitsy
    > <[email hidden]> writes
    > <snip>
    >
    >> All of this is completely beide the point. When you have an
    >> address, a SatNav will guide you to it.
    > Not always. The maps & software can take a long time to catch up.
    >
    > The road we now live in once had another name. It was cut in two by
    > a DC bypass in about 1990 and the longer part on the other side of
    > the DC kept the old name. Our bit (5 houses, cul de sac) has a new
    > name and its own postcode.
    >
    > We moved here in December 2005 and at least three delivery drivers
    > couldn't find our "new " road on their satnavs. There have also been
    > a couple of drivers knocking at the door looking for the other bit
    > of the road. The postcode still isn't recognised by some websites.
    So what - better than navigating by an out of date paper map.


    If they're both out of date there's no difference is there?

    Yes there is. The SatNav will always get you to where you want to go,
    regardless what new roads are there or old ones closed. All you do is go
    down the different road and you will be re-routed by the software.

    A paper map will see people reading it on the move, missing turns, stopping
    to read the map and faffing about for 30 minutes when they are in the right
    area.


    The week before I got my sat nav I remember driving round and round Koln
    at about 0300 looking for a factory, all addresses we get for Germany
    are postcodes and there are hardly any people around to ask at that
    time. Since then every journey it has taken me exactly to the door
    (except once and I suspect I was given the wrong info). The thing I
    found that boosted my productivity was the accurate ETA it gave so
    people would be waiting ready to unload, much better than a vague, I'll
    be there in an our or so, that you get from paper maps.

    Went to Exeter last night, gave an ETA 1832 updated en route to 1826,
    called the customer from 10 mins away and she was waiting at the door,
    precise arrival 1826, as predicted.

  2. In news:[email hidden],
    Clive Sinclair <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    And before you ask, yes I cycle in towns. I am a firm believer that
    cyclists should have some sort of insurance and pay a 'small' amount
    of road tax.

    Cyclists already pay the same VED as other low-emission vehicles.

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Flies are the work of Stan, and should be killed by all means
    available.

  3. NM said:
    Conor said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Silk says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lorry Drivers should know where they're going.

    Quoted message said:

    Why? Do you think it's feasible for a person to know the location of
    absolutely every single street in the UK?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Also, with satnavs now
    below 100 quid, there's no need to stop to ask directions.

    Quoted message said:

    Except there is. I take it you've never done deliveries to any extent.

    Quoted message said:

    Here's a delivery address I once got with a trailer loaded with paper
    reels:

    Quoted message said:

    Grange Storage
    West Yorkshire.

    Quoted message said:

    That was it. West Yorkshire is a bloody big place. Turned out to be
    down Grange Road in Batley in the end.

    Quoted message said:

    Most of the addresses on the CMR notes for imported loads are a bag of
    bollocks. I've also had countless "P.O.Box No.." addresses with no
    street name on. Then there's the ones in the middle of nowhere down a
    pokey single lane track where you really want to be sure that's exactly
    where you want to be. And to finish it off, the ones that have the name
    of the company on which was what it was called half a decade ago but
    the delvery address data on the suppliers database has never been
    updated for it.

    I got one in Florence, I drove up this road getting narrower by the
    metre until I was just about touching the balconies on both sides of the
    street, as I was almost there I got out and walked the remaining 100
    meters, Yes, that's us she said, but you want out wharehouse in the
    industrial estate outside town, a small but vital bit of information.- Hide quoted text -

    Wharehouse? Whorehouse?

  4. spindrift said:

    "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    cyclist,
    hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "

    Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?


    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet country lane.
    He was cremated a year ago today, I allowed 4 hrs to drive there (I can
    do it in 2.5 hrs on a good run) and arrived just after the service ended.
    3 accidents on the M1 and one big one on the M62, I hate driving on
    Fridays, always problems on the roads.
    And still waiting for the coroners report.

  5. Dave Larrington ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    Cyclists already pay the same VED as other low-emission vehicles.

    You may wish to either narrow that statement down or investigate a little
    further.

  6. Bazza said:
    spindrift said:

    "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    cyclist,
    hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "

    Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?


    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    country lane.

    Does this lane have a footpath?

    Quoted message said:

    He was cremated a year ago today, I allowed 4 hrs to
    drive there (I can do it in 2.5 hrs on a good run) and arrived just after
    the service
    ended. 3 accidents on the M1 and one big one on the M62, I hate
    driving on Fridays, always problems on the roads.

    As ever, what can go wrong will.

    Quoted message said:

    And still waiting for the coroners report.

    Sadly, all to common.

  7. Brimstone said:
    Bazza said:
    spindrift said:

    "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    cyclist,
    hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "

    Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?


    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    country lane.

    Does this lane have a footpath?

    No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    He was cremated a year ago today, I allowed 4 hrs to
    drive there (I can do it in 2.5 hrs on a good run) and arrived just after
    the service
    ended. 3 accidents on the M1 and one big one on the M62, I hate
    driving on Fridays, always problems on the roads.

    As ever, what can go wrong will.

    Yes I am very philosophical about life, [censored] does happen and always
    will, you just have to get over it and get on with life.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    And still waiting for the coroners report.

    Sadly, all to common.

  8. Bazza said:
    Brimstone said:
    Bazza said:

    spindrift wrote:
    > "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    > cyclist,
    > hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "
    >
    > Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?
    >
    >
    >
    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    country lane.

    Does this lane have a footpath?

    No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    OK, that provides an explanation for the incident and does rather change the
    emphasis of responsibility.

  9. Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much
    like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    >> cyclist,hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a
    >> coma "

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    > country lane.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Does this lane have a footpath?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    Quoted message said:

    OK, that provides an explanation for the incident and does rather
    change the emphasis of responsibility.

    No, it really doesn't.

    A vehicular road user hit a pedestrian who was walking along the road
    perfectly legally, correctly and safely.

    The only thing that changes is that the vehicular road user wasn't
    illegally using the pavement. It's still their fault, unless the pedestrian
    suddenly dived into the road giving no chance for avoidance.

  10. Bazza said:
    spindrift said:

    "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    cyclist,
    hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "

    Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?


    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    country lane. He was cremated a year ago today, I allowed 4 hrs to
    drive there (I can do it in 2.5 hrs on a good run) and arrived just after
    the service
    ended. 3 accidents on the M1 and one big one on the M62, I hate
    driving on Fridays, always problems on the roads.
    And still waiting for the coroners report.

    I sympathise with you on your loss, but you only allowed 1.5 hours extra for
    a long journey on a friday?

    I went to a conference yesterday that was around 45 minutes away, and I
    allowed 1.45 for the journey.

    --
    MrBitsy

  11. Brimstone said:

    "MrBitsy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Brimstone said:

    MrBitsy wrote:
    > Peter Twydell wrote:
    >> In message <[email hidden]>, MrBitsy
    >> <[email hidden]> writes
    >>>
    >> <snip>
    >>
    >>> All of this is completely beide the point. When you have an
    >>> address, a SatNav will guide you to it.
    >>
    >> Not always. The maps & software can take a long time to catch up.
    >>
    >> The road we now live in once had another name. It was cut in two
    >> by a DC bypass in about 1990 and the longer part on the other
    >> side of the DC kept the old name. Our bit (5 houses, cul de sac)
    >> has a new name and its own postcode.
    >>
    >> We moved here in December 2005 and at least three delivery drivers
    >> couldn't find our "new " road on their satnavs. There have also
    >> been a couple of drivers knocking at the door looking for the
    >> other bit of the road. The postcode still isn't recognised by
    >> some websites.
    >
    > So what - better than navigating by an out of date paper map.

    If they're both out of date there's no difference is there?

    Yes there is. The SatNav will always get you to where you want to go,
    regardless what new roads are there or old ones closed. All you do
    is go down the different road and you will be re-routed by the
    software.

    Not if the data base hasn't been updated with the new postcodes.

    Postcodes are nice, but not required to get you there.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A paper map will see people reading it on the move, missing turns,
    stopping to read the map and faffing about for 30 minutes when they
    are in the right area.

    Not if it's out of date they won't.

    "Out of date" means that info provided is missing or has has changed.
    The means of delivering that info is irrelevant.

    --
    MrBitsy

  12. Adrian said:

    Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>> "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    >>> cyclist,hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in
    >>> a coma "

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    >> country lane.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Does this lane have a footpath?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    Quoted message said:

    OK, that provides an explanation for the incident and does rather
    change the emphasis of responsibility.

    No, it really doesn't.

    A vehicular road user hit a pedestrian who was walking along the road
    perfectly legally, correctly and safely.

    Not if the pedestrian was hit from behind he wasn't.

    Quoted message said:

    The only thing that changes is that the vehicular road user wasn't
    illegally using the pavement. It's still their fault, unless the
    pedestrian suddenly dived into the road giving no chance for
    avoidance.

    Wrong.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070108

    Rule 2 refers.

  13. On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:17:56 +0100,

    Brimstone said:
    Adrian said:

    Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    >>>> "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    >>>> cyclist,hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in
    >>>> a coma "

    Quoted message said:

    >>> This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    >>> country lane.

    Quoted message said:

    >> Does this lane have a footpath?

    Quoted message said:

    > No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    Quoted message said:

    OK, that provides an explanation for the incident and does rather
    change the emphasis of responsibility.

    No, it really doesn't.

    A vehicular road user hit a pedestrian who was walking along the road
    perfectly legally, correctly and safely.

    Not if the pedestrian was hit from behind he wasn't.

    Quoted message said:

    The only thing that changes is that the vehicular road user wasn't
    illegally using the pavement. It's still their fault, unless the
    pedestrian suddenly dived into the road giving no chance for
    avoidance.

    Wrong.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070108

    Rule 2 refers.

    There is no MUST / MUST NOT in rule 2.

    It is exactly the same kind of wording as rule 59 which says that
    cyclists should wear helmets and light coloured clothing.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

  14. In news:[email hidden],
    Adrian <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:

    Dave Larrington ([email hidden]) gurgled happily,
    sounding much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    Cyclists already pay the same VED as other low-emission vehicles.

    You may wish to either narrow that statement down or investigate a
    little further.

    Investigates:

    Band A Up to 100 g/km CO2: VED £0.00

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Dead journalists make excellent objets d'art.

  15. Andy Leighton said:

    On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:17:56 +0100,

    Brimstone said:
    Adrian said:

    Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    >>>>> "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    >>>>> cyclist,hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still
    >>>>> in a coma "

    >>>> This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    >>>> country lane.

    >>> Does this lane have a footpath?

    >> No footpath, the lane is just wide enough for 2 cars to pass.

    > OK, that provides an explanation for the incident and does rather
    > change the emphasis of responsibility.

    No, it really doesn't.

    A vehicular road user hit a pedestrian who was walking along the
    road perfectly legally, correctly and safely.

    Not if the pedestrian was hit from behind he wasn't.

    Quoted message said:

    The only thing that changes is that the vehicular road user wasn't
    illegally using the pavement. It's still their fault, unless the
    pedestrian suddenly dived into the road giving no chance for
    avoidance.

    Wrong.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070108

    Rule 2 refers.

    There is no MUST / MUST NOT in rule 2.

    So one should automatically discount the sound advice contained in it?
    Walking with one's back to the traffic might not be illegal (since there are
    no laws relating to pedestrians AIUI) but it's neither correct nor safe.

    Quoted message said:

    It is exactly the same kind of wording as rule 59 which says that
    cyclists should wear helmets and light coloured clothing.

    Nevertheless anyone with their wits about them walks on an road with no
    footpaths or lighting so that they can see what's approaching them. Walking
    with one's back to approaching traffic is a recipe for disaster as this poor
    chap found out.

  16. Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much
    like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A vehicular road user hit a pedestrian who was walking along the road
    perfectly legally, correctly and safely.

    Quoted message said:

    Not if the pedestrian was hit from behind he wasn't.

    Would you care to point me to which law states that you have to walk facing
    oncoming traffic - it's merely sensible advice in _some_ circumstances.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The only thing that changes is that the vehicular road user wasn't
    illegally using the pavement. It's still their fault, unless the
    pedestrian suddenly dived into the road giving no chance for
    avoidance.

    Quoted message said:

    Wrong.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070108

    Rule 2 refers.

    Including the last para?
    "It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so
    that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you."

  17. Brimstone ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding much
    like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:

    (since there are no laws relating to pedestrians AIUI)

    You may like to have a slightly less superficial glance at the HC's
    pedestrian section - specifically rules 6, 16, 18, 34

  18. Dave Larrington ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Cyclists already pay the same VED as other low-emission vehicles.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You may wish to either narrow that statement down or investigate a
    little further.

    Quoted message said:

    Investigates:

    Band A Up to 100 g/km CO2: VED £0.00

    Keep going.

    Clue: Count the wheels.

  19. MrBitsy said:
    Bazza said:
    spindrift said:

    "My brother was run into from behind in August last year by a
    cyclist,
    hit his head against a wall, died 6 weeks later still in a coma "

    Oh my God, I'm sorry, where did this happen?


    This was in Sowerby near Halifax, he was walking along a quiet
    country lane. He was cremated a year ago today, I allowed 4 hrs to
    drive there (I can do it in 2.5 hrs on a good run) and arrived just after
    the service
    ended. 3 accidents on the M1 and one big one on the M62, I hate
    driving on Fridays, always problems on the roads.
    And still waiting for the coroners report.

    I sympathise with you on your loss, but you only allowed 1.5 hours extra for
    a long journey on a friday?

    I have travelled this route many a time, the quickest just over 2 hrs,
    longest about 3.5 hrs, just sods law that the only time I need to be
    there it takes me 4.5 hrs.
    First accident was near Milton Keynes, second Leicester, third north of
    Nottingham, made good time from there until just before the M621
    junction, that was about 13:00, had to be at Brighouse crematorium for
    14:00, got there at 14:30, all of 10 miles, the whole area was
    gridlocked due to the M62 closure

    Quoted message said:

    I went to a conference yesterday that was around 45 minutes away, and I
    allowed 1.45 for the journey.

    Depends where you are travelling to, I often go from Dunstable to the
    Wembley area, Satnav says 35 mins, I compromise on 1 hr, sometimes
    takes 1.5 sometimes 30 mins, you can never tell, all depends on the time
    of day and the place you are travelling to.
    I find short journeys less predictable than long ones.
    With longer journeys it is generally possible to make up for lost time,
    although I drive a car and do not have any nsl restrictions I use 50mph
    as an average speed when planning journeys

  20. Adrian said:

    Dave Larrington ([email hidden]) gurgled happily, sounding
    much like they were saying :

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Cyclists already pay the same VED as other low-emission vehicles.
    You may wish to either narrow that statement down or investigate a
    little further.


    Investigates:

    Quoted message said:

    Band A Up to 100 g/km CO2: VED £0.00

    Keep going.

    Clue: Count the wheels.

    Why should he need to? He said 'other', not 'all other'.

    Are you claiming that there are no low emission vehicles which have
    zero VED?

    ...d

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