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datakoll
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On Oct 6, 9:50 am, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> datakoll wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 9:55 pm, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >>> 'Ultra stiff yet vertically compliant'...
> >>> big, yet small, tall yet short, black yet white,
> >> why the confusion? there are 8 tubes on a traditional frame. different
> >> lengths, thickness, diameter, shape, etc. one tube can be comparatively
> >> stiff, another comparatively elastic, for its given position and loading
> >> mode. seems simple enough to me.
>
> > jockeying for position determines reality
> > jockeying for position has no bearing on reality
> > reality defines jockeying for position
> > yeah it is. Agreed, until eternal carbon surfaces, all refinements are
> > minor. But my known unknown: do frame refinements exceed the contact
> > patch enginnearing department's contribution? Or worser, what
> > peercentage degrade thru useage at the suspension obviates frame
> > refienments?
> > A way of looking at "new and improved"
> > One big deal is finding a "new and improved" doesn't cost an arm and a
> > leg.
>
> how much "new and improved" can one get from a dumpster bike? it sure
> won't cost an arm and a leg. unless you have to wrestle an alligator
> for possession. and lose.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
OKOKOK! TAKE YOUR FIRST SCHWINN. I had a Columbia with chrome fenders,
everyone hated me and my Dad would not allow an English racer, NADA.
At my existence level, the difference between the Schwinn and the ten
speeds I've ridden including my "$2500" low cost asian import stem
from tires and wheels. Yes, I know the frames handle ( a great word
used here right? 'handle' ?) differently but this a geometery
specification not what tubing is cosmically oriented toward
technology's cutting edge.
Tech tubing is completely off my map (and Andres from the sound of it)
have no idea what it does down here at road one but I know what it
costs and mean in terms of reliabillity.
ENTER THE AD MAN
it is the ad man's job to position my head into a place where tech
tubing has meaning thus the BS. Even if the BS is reasonably
descriptive and honest, still BS as far as staying relatively
meaningless at road one. But the ad man gotta try to expand the buying
audience and convert meaningless finesse - for me - if not Andre -
into meaning.
> datakoll wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 9:55 pm, jim beam <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
>
> >>> 'Ultra stiff yet vertically compliant'...
> >>> big, yet small, tall yet short, black yet white,
> >> why the confusion? there are 8 tubes on a traditional frame. different
> >> lengths, thickness, diameter, shape, etc. one tube can be comparatively
> >> stiff, another comparatively elastic, for its given position and loading
> >> mode. seems simple enough to me.
>
> > jockeying for position determines reality
> > jockeying for position has no bearing on reality
> > reality defines jockeying for position
> > yeah it is. Agreed, until eternal carbon surfaces, all refinements are
> > minor. But my known unknown: do frame refinements exceed the contact
> > patch enginnearing department's contribution? Or worser, what
> > peercentage degrade thru useage at the suspension obviates frame
> > refienments?
> > A way of looking at "new and improved"
> > One big deal is finding a "new and improved" doesn't cost an arm and a
> > leg.
>
> how much "new and improved" can one get from a dumpster bike? it sure
> won't cost an arm and a leg. unless you have to wrestle an alligator
> for possession. and lose.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
OKOKOK! TAKE YOUR FIRST SCHWINN. I had a Columbia with chrome fenders,
everyone hated me and my Dad would not allow an English racer, NADA.
At my existence level, the difference between the Schwinn and the ten
speeds I've ridden including my "$2500" low cost asian import stem
from tires and wheels. Yes, I know the frames handle ( a great word
used here right? 'handle' ?) differently but this a geometery
specification not what tubing is cosmically oriented toward
technology's cutting edge.
Tech tubing is completely off my map (and Andres from the sound of it)
have no idea what it does down here at road one but I know what it
costs and mean in terms of reliabillity.
ENTER THE AD MAN
it is the ad man's job to position my head into a place where tech
tubing has meaning thus the BS. Even if the BS is reasonably
descriptive and honest, still BS as far as staying relatively
meaningless at road one. But the ad man gotta try to expand the buying
audience and convert meaningless finesse - for me - if not Andre -
into meaning.
