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High School Student (Apparently a Mountain Biker) Interview

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  1. From: [name withheld to protect them from harassment and threats by mountain
    bikers]
    To: "'Mike Vandeman'" <[email hidden]>
    Subject: RE: High School Student (Apparently a Mountain Biker) Interview
    Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:59:45 -0700

    Excellent!

    Thanks.

    [name withheld to protect them from harassment and threats by mountain bikers]

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Vandeman [[email hidden]]
    Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 4:51 PM
    To: Recipient list suppressed
    Subject: High School Student (Apparently a Mountain Biker) Interview

    Kevin is writing a paper for school. I don't think he is going to be
    happy
    with my answers....

    Kevin Dougherty <[email hidden]> wrote:
    Dr. Vandeman,
    If you could answer these questions for me as soon as possible that
    would be excellent. I will probably send you some follow-up questions
    after you respond.
    1. What is your name and title?

    Mike Vandeman, Ph.D.

    2. To which organizations concerning the issue of trail access do you
    belong?

    None. Hikers (and bikers when they choose to hike) ALWAYS have access.

    3. Tell me something about your background that has influenced your
    opinions about this issue.

    Study of conservation biology and observation of mountain bikers,
    reading
    mountain bikers' emails and web postings, and study of research on the
    impacts of mountain biking.

    4. How did you become involved in the issue of trail access?

    In order to protect wildlife. It's obvious that allowing bikes on trails

    increases erosion, ruins trails, kills small animals and plants, drives
    woildlife out of their habitat, and drives other trail users out of the
    parks.

    5. How long have you been involved with this issue?

    Since 1994.

    6. What are your feelings concerning the Park City Agreement in 1994?

    It's worthless, because it doesn't protect wildlife, and mountain bikers

    don't hold up their end of the agreement.

    7. Do you think the Park City Agreement was successful?

    No, it was worthless.

    8. Do you agree with the expansion of wilderness areas throughout the
    country?

    Yes. The Wildlands Proect estimates that 50% of the country needs to be
    wilderness, to protect existing species.

    9. What do you think is the largest risk to our world, how does the
    threat
    of mountain bicycling compare to this?

    The largest risk is that humans thing they own the Earth and act
    accordingly. Mountain biking is one example of that. It teaches people
    that
    the rough treatment of nature is acceptable, when it's NOT.

    10. The Sierra Club's motto is to explore, enjoy and protect the
    planet,
    is mountain biking not a method for exploration and enjoying the planet?

    So is driving a bulldozer. That obviously doesn't make it acceptable. It
    is
    implied in the Sierra Club motto that we will use the LEAST HARMFUL
    means
    of exploring the planet, which is WALKING. It is also implied that if
    nature is destroyed in the process of "enjoying" it, that is
    unacceptable.
    It is also implied that is one person's means of enjoyment of nature
    intrerferes with other people's enjoyment of nature, it is unacceptable.

    Thank you,
    -Kevin Dougherty

    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

  2. Mike Vandeman said:

    From: [name withheld to protect them from harassment and threats by
    mountain bikers]

    But then...

    Quoted message said:

    Kevin Dougherty <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Classic Vandefuckup! You're such a moron (AKA maroon), do(r)c, you can't
    even post/delete what you intend.

    Bill "poor little Kevin is really scraping the bottom of the barrel" S.

  3. Mike Vandeman said:

    2. To which organizations concerning the issue of trail access do you
    belong?

    None. Hikers (and bikers when they choose to hike) ALWAYS have access.


    something you just got this poor kid a C- by giving crappy half-hearted
    answers as you're so accustomed to, and not being completely honest
    (intellectual dishonesty r00lz).

    hope you feel a lot better about yourself today. sweet dreams

    --

    * enjoying the karma *
    remove LKJSDFJSD from address to email

  4. On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:11:43 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    ..Mike Vandeman wrote:
    ..> From: [name withheld to protect them from harassment and threats by
    ..> mountain bikers]
    ..
    ..But then...
    ..
    ..> Kevin Dougherty <[email hidden]> wrote:
    ..
    ..Classic Vandefuckup! You're such a moron (AKA maroon), do(r)c, you can't
    ..even post/delete what you intend.
    ..
    ..Bill "poor little Kevin is really scraping the bottom of the barrel" S.

    What did you just say, if anything????
    ===
    I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
    humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
    years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

    http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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