Hincapie the Cause of the T-Mobile Demise?



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MagillaGorilla

Guest
When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that
Bob Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some
kind of "state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.

Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
head in the sand.

The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.

--------
from Spiegel:

In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour
victories. In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain
stage of the Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain
specialist before. For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem,
a time bomb because he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's
miraculous trail of victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider
with a clean record who was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping
policies. Despite the company's attempts to convince him to change his
mind, Stapleton insisted on hiring Hincapie.

The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.

--------

Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to
run its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.

The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially
if you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result
of your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference:
any number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).

This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.

In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank,
a federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it
or not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
the victim(s) injuries/loss.

After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of
prize money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!

Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired
to oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar
Heinrich and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's
in disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins
of the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and
administrated the doping program at T-Mobile for years!

This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
Questions Later 101."

Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!

This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were JOKERS.

Thanks,


Magilla

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html
 
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Rex Crater

Guest
http://www.smithersmpls.com/audio/gregstef.mp3



"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that Bob
> Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some kind of
> "state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>
> Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
> alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
> Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
> Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
> past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
> doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
> head in the sand.
>
> The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
> Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
> which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.
>
> --------
> from Spiegel:
>
> In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
> fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
> Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour victories.
> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.
> For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem, a time bomb because
> he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's miraculous trail of
> victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider with a clean record who
> was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping policies. Despite the
> company's attempts to convince him to change his mind, Stapleton insisted
> on hiring Hincapie.
>
> The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
> separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
> board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
> immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.
>
> --------
>
> Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
> chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
> Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
> This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to run
> its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.
>
> The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
> public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
> retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
> happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially if
> you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result of
> your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference: any
> number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).
>
> This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.
>
> In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
> guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank, a
> federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it or
> not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
> without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
> making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
> the victim(s) injuries/loss.
>
> After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of prize
> money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
> negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
> would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!
>
> Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired to
> oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar Heinrich
> and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's in
> disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins of
> the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and administrated
> the doping program at T-Mobile for years!
>
> This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
> Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
> courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
> Questions Later 101."
>
> Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
> team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
> investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
> information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!
>
> This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were
> JOKERS.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Magilla
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html
 
LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of them
do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
like.
 
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MagillaGorilla

Guest
[email protected] wrote:

> LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of them
> do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
> like.



LemonD was using a little Boonesfarm small talk to get Stephanie to
"open up."

It worked.

Well, at least we now know why Hincapie's leg veins look like he got
them from an alien.

Magilla
 
M

Mike Jacoubowsky

Guest
> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.


Talk about taking something out of context. Perhaps we should look at what
Periero thought about that stage-
=================
Said a rather ****** Pereiro at the finish line: "I asked him [Hincapie] to
work, as we had to collaborate to battle it out in a sprint - but he didn't.
Sometimes it's not the strongest that wins. I think I showed I was one the
guys that wanted this stage the most. I thought there was victory in it for
me, but that's life... I'll continue trying and one day I hope to be
rewarded. Now, I'll continue to help Floyd [Landis] get on the podium."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0515
=================
If you want to make a case for George performing unrealistically, you'd look
at all those times he was pushing the tempo at the front for the first
third, maybe more, of the major climbs. After having been working the race
on the flats as well.

But stage 15 of the '05 TdF was one of those nobody's working stages,
allowing a break to get away almost by accident. Neither rider was in a
position to make it to the podium at the finish; Hincapie ended up 14th, 23
minutes down, and Perieor 10th at 16 minutes down (10 minutes off the final
podium spot). Both were working for other guys in the pack, and neither
would have been allowed (nor capable) to get anywhere close to their
leaders.

It's the riders, not just the terrain, that makes a stage "the most
difficult" of the Tour.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA



"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that Bob
> Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some kind of
> "state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>
> Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
> alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
> Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
> Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
> past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
> doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
> head in the sand.
>
> The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
> Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
> which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.
>
> --------
> from Spiegel:
>
> In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
> fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
> Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour victories.
> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.
> For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem, a time bomb because
> he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's miraculous trail of
> victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider with a clean record who
> was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping policies. Despite the
> company's attempts to convince him to change his mind, Stapleton insisted
> on hiring Hincapie.
>
> The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
> separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
> board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
> immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.
>
> --------
>
> Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
> chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
> Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
> This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to run
> its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.
>
> The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
> public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
> retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
> happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially if
> you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result of
> your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference: any
> number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).
>
> This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.
>
> In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
> guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank, a
> federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it or
> not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
> without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
> making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
> the victim(s) injuries/loss.
>
> After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of prize
> money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
> negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
> would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!
>
> Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired to
> oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar Heinrich
> and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's in
> disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins of
> the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and administrated
> the doping program at T-Mobile for years!
>
> This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
> Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
> courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
> Questions Later 101."
>
> Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
> team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
> investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
> information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!
>
> This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were
> JOKERS.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Magilla
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html
 
M

MagillaGorilla

Guest
Yeah I knew Spiegel wasn't on the up-and-up with the details of that
stage, but it helped corroborate what Stephanie McIlvain said about
Hincapie's baby being born with flippers because of all the dope he did,
so I quoted it.

I figured most poeple in here were smart enough to know Hincapie won
that day in a trashcan break that was allowed to go up the road.

But just keep in mind that Spiegel's sloppiness does not negate what
McIlvain knows about Hincapie.

All those pros who are your heroes have less integrity than Rosie Ruiz.


Magilla

----------------


Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

>>In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
>>Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.

>
>
> Talk about taking something out of context. Perhaps we should look at what
> Periero thought about that stage-
> =================
> Said a rather ****** Pereiro at the finish line: "I asked him [Hincapie] to
> work, as we had to collaborate to battle it out in a sprint - but he didn't.
> Sometimes it's not the strongest that wins. I think I showed I was one the
> guys that wanted this stage the most. I thought there was victory in it for
> me, but that's life... I'll continue trying and one day I hope to be
> rewarded. Now, I'll continue to help Floyd [Landis] get on the podium."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0515
> =================
> If you want to make a case for George performing unrealistically, you'd look
> at all those times he was pushing the tempo at the front for the first
> third, maybe more, of the major climbs. After having been working the race
> on the flats as well.
>
> But stage 15 of the '05 TdF was one of those nobody's working stages,
> allowing a break to get away almost by accident. Neither rider was in a
> position to make it to the podium at the finish; Hincapie ended up 14th, 23
> minutes down, and Perieor 10th at 16 minutes down (10 minutes off the final
> podium spot). Both were working for other guys in the pack, and neither
> would have been allowed (nor capable) to get anywhere close to their
> leaders.
>
> It's the riders, not just the terrain, that makes a stage "the most
> difficult" of the Tour.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>>When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that Bob
>>Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some kind of
>>"state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>>
>>Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
>>alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
>>Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
>>Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
>>past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
>>doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
>>head in the sand.
>>
>>The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
>>Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
>>which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.
>>
>>--------
>>from Spiegel:
>>
>>In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
>>fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
>>Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour victories.
>>In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
>>Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.
>>For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem, a time bomb because
>>he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's miraculous trail of
>>victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider with a clean record who
>>was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping policies. Despite the
>>company's attempts to convince him to change his mind, Stapleton insisted
>>on hiring Hincapie.
>>
>>The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
>>separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
>>board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
>>immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.
>>
>>--------
>>
>>Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
>>chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
>>Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
>>This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to run
>>its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.
>>
>>The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
>>public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
>>retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
>>happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially if
>>you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result of
>>your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference: any
>>number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).
>>
>>This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.
>>
>>In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
>>guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank, a
>>federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it or
>>not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
>>without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
>>making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
>>the victim(s) injuries/loss.
>>
>>After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of prize
>>money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
>>negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
>>would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!
>>
>>Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired to
>>oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar Heinrich
>>and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's in
>>disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins of
>>the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and administrated
>>the doping program at T-Mobile for years!
>>
>>This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
>>Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
>>courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
>>Questions Later 101."
>>
>>Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
>>team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
>>investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
>>information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!
>>
>>This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were
>>JOKERS.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Magilla
>>
>>http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html

>
>
>
 
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Phil Holman

Guest
"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of
>> them
>> do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
>> like.

>
>
> LemonD was using a little Boonesfarm small talk to get Stephanie to
> "open up."
>
> It worked.
>
> Well, at least we now know why Hincapie's leg veins look like he got
> them from an alien.
>

Why, are his parents aliens? It's statements like these that blur the
facts.

Phil H
 
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Rex Crater

Guest
Yeah Magilla.... RBR is just about facts!!!



"Phil Holman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of them
>>> do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
>>> like.

>>
>>
>> LemonD was using a little Boonesfarm small talk to get Stephanie to "open
>> up."
>>
>> It worked.
>>
>> Well, at least we now know why Hincapie's leg veins look like he got them
>> from an alien.
>>

> Why, are his parents aliens? It's statements like these that blur the
> facts.
>
> Phil H
>
 
R

Rex Crater

Guest
Hey check out the alien legs....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/tour06/tour061/IMG_0873



"Phil Holman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of them
>>> do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
>>> like.

>>
>>
>> LemonD was using a little Boonesfarm small talk to get Stephanie to "open
>> up."
>>
>> It worked.
>>
>> Well, at least we now know why Hincapie's leg veins look like he got them
>> from an alien.
>>

> Why, are his parents aliens? It's statements like these that blur the
> facts.
>
> Phil H
>
 
X

xzzy

Guest
Facts matter,

Before there was a test for EPO, there was a de facto drug test that said
( summarizing ) If your hematocrit is above 50 then you are excused for
racing for 2 weeks.

Most Eurpoean racers hematocrit immediately dropped down to into the 48-49+
range.

My point is:
Hincapie and Armstrong have raced and have been drug tested.

There is a record of there drug tests and hematocrit.

If they were on EPO, then there would be a drop in hematocrit to stay
under the radar when the 50% rule took effect.

The information exists.

Those who have the information => MAKE IT AVAILABLE


Truth matters and now is a good time to lay speculation to rest. Put the
facts on the table,

John Bickmore
303-695-6467



"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that Bob
> Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some kind of
> "state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>
> Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
> alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
> Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
> Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
> past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
> doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
> head in the sand.
>
> The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
> Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
> which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.
>
> --------
> from Spiegel:
>
> In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
> fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
> Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour victories.
> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.
> For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem, a time bomb because
> he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's miraculous trail of
> victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider with a clean record who
> was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping policies. Despite the
> company's attempts to convince him to change his mind, Stapleton insisted
> on hiring Hincapie.
>
> The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
> separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
> board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
> immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.
>
> --------
>
> Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
> chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
> Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
> This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to run
> its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.
>
> The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
> public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
> retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
> happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially if
> you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result of
> your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference: any
> number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).
>
> This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.
>
> In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
> guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank, a
> federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it or
> not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
> without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
> making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
> the victim(s) injuries/loss.
>
> After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of prize
> money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
> negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
> would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!
>
> Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired to
> oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar Heinrich
> and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's in
> disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins of
> the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and administrated
> the doping program at T-Mobile for years!
>
> This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
> Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
> courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
> Questions Later 101."
>
> Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
> team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
> investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
> information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!
>
> This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were
> JOKERS.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Magilla
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html
 
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Morten Reippuert Knudsen

Guest
Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
>> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.

>
> Talk about taking something out of context. Perhaps we should look at what
> Periero thought about that stage-
> =================
> Said a rather ****** Pereiro at the finish line: "I asked him [Hincapie] to
> work, as we had to collaborate to battle it out in a sprint - but he didn't.
> Sometimes it's not the strongest that wins. I think I showed I was one the
> guys that wanted this stage the most. I thought there was victory in it for
> me, but that's life... I'll continue trying and one day I hope to be
> rewarded. Now, I'll continue to help Floyd [Landis] get on the podium."
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0515
> =================
> If you want to make a case for George performing unrealistically, you'd look
> at all those times he was pushing the tempo at the front for the first
> third, maybe more, of the major climbs. After having been working the race
> on the flats as well.


Rigth on the spot. Hincapie pushing te tempo uphill is an unatural
ability given his size. He shure didn't have it in 1999.

--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>

Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
 
On Dec 8, 1:27 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email protected]> wrote:
> When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that
> Bob Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some
> kind of "state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>


dumbass,

when i heard tmo's clean team included hontchar i wondered if
stapleton was hoplessly naive (unlikely for a guy who built a multi
million dollar business) or disingenuous, and that article showed it
was the latter.

i can give him the benefit of the doubt -- that he sincerely wanted to
run a clean team -- but if he had done due diligence he would've been
left with a list of four riders and he'd be running the same kind of
show as AG2R or Bouyges Telecom.

Except those are french teams, and a lousy (but clean) german team
would spend july on the couch with unibet.

sinkewitz as well as all the others poisoned the well. he could've
quietly disappeared for two years, instead every morning telekom
directors wake up and see their company being humiliated in the media
and they're thinking "we were paying this guy half a million euros a
year?".

slipstream thinks they're figured it out, because they say there will
be no pressure to perform, but this news comes too late for the
borderline guys who didn't make the 2008 squad, and will not be
getting a plane ticket to europe.

at least vaughters has the sense to not sabotage his team by holding
his own teary press conference - so i will gladly assume by hot sauce
he means jalepeno for those chipotle burritos.
 
On Dec 9, 6:24 am, "Rex Crater" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey check out the alien legs....
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/tour06/index.php?id=/photos/20...


His are almost as bad as mine were up until my surgery 3 weeks ago.
They sure didn't signify anything helpful in my case.

And anyone who saw him win his stage knows it was a gimme. He got in a
break nobody cared about that built up a huge lead, and he didn't do
squat all day, so he was fresh. Nothing special there.

Joseph
 
M

MagillaGorilla

Guest
You make a great point and I think it was Vaughters who was quoted in
cyclingnews, that all the riders on Postal got their hematocrits
hovering around 49% prior to a certain race. I'm sure somebody can post
the link.

The thing that got me about that revelation was the person who made it
(I'm pretty sure it was Arygyle Boy but I might be wrong), didn't think
the public would interpet that as the definitive sign of orgranized team
doping it most certainly was.

In other words, it was an arrogant admission to chronic doping by the
entire team, but since their hematocrits were still technically legal,
the person making the statement was too caught up in the cavalier
attitude of doping to realize that there's only one way to explain how a
cycling team can synchronize and redline their hematocrits on cue.

By the way, does anyone know if Vaughters will also make his blood
profile public on the Slipstream website so we can see if the team
leader's own hematocrit is still at 52%, which is why he got a TUE for
it throughout his racing career and not because he was using EPO
chronically to keep it there, of course (and we know this HOW????).

Of course when one realizes that Vaughters had a TUE for a 52%
hematocrit prior to the development of the EPO test....it sure as hell
makes you wonder how any medical person could sign off on that. That
wonderment turns to confirmation when you see the IM's between him and
Franke Andreu published in the NY Times and USA Today where Vaughters
admits to using the "hot sauce."

So here's a guy who most likely got a career-long TUE for a 52%
hematocrit under the pretense of fraud. Then he tries to act like a
poster-boy victim of unfairness when a bee stings him because he wasn't
allowed to get a cortisone injection without being DQ'ed from the Tour.
Vaughters should have mentioned he took EPO during the bee sting press
conferences and seen what the press and public would have thought of his
little bee sting sob story then.

Now he's selling himself to the public and blue chip sponsors as the
leader of a transparent anti-doping team while hiding behind a career
enshrouded in doping.

Funny stuff.


Magilla


•••••••••••••••••

xzzy wrote:

> Facts matter,
>
> Before there was a test for EPO, there was a de facto drug test that said
> ( summarizing ) If your hematocrit is above 50 then you are excused for
> racing for 2 weeks.
>
> Most Eurpoean racers hematocrit immediately dropped down to into the 48-49+
> range.
>
> My point is:
> Hincapie and Armstrong have raced and have been drug tested.
>
> There is a record of there drug tests and hematocrit.
>
> If they were on EPO, then there would be a drop in hematocrit to stay
> under the radar when the 50% rule took effect.
>
> The information exists.
>
> Those who have the information => MAKE IT AVAILABLE
>
>
> Truth matters and now is a good time to lay speculation to rest. Put the
> facts on the table,
>
> John Bickmore
> 303-695-6467
>
>
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
>>When you read the Spiegel article, it's important to keep in mind that Bob
>>Stapleton was hired under the claim he was going to implement some kind of
>>"state-of-the-art" anti-doping program at T-Mobile.
>>
>>Georgio Hincrapie, recently hired by High Road in 2007, was
>>alleged to be a chronic doper by Lance Armstrong's personal agent at
>>Oakley, Stephanie McIlvain, in a surreptiously recorded phone call by
>>Greg LemonD (aka "The Tool"). This recording has been available for the
>>past 3 years, but apparently Bob Stapleton has either never heard it or
>>doesn't want to hear it. Either way, Staplehead is an ostrich with his
>>head in the sand.
>>
>>The Spiegel article has a nice little section on page 2 that intimates
>>Hincapie's hiring might have been the straw that broke the camel's back
>>which resulted in Deutsche Telekom finally pulling the plug.
>>
>>--------
>>from Spiegel:
>>
>>In keeping with this philosophy, Stapleton had no qualms about signing
>>fellow American George Hincapie for the coming season. Hincapie, 34, was
>>Lance Armstrong's trusted lieutenant during his series of Tour victories.
>>In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
>>Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.
>>For Telekom, Hincapie was just another image problem, a time bomb because
>>he probably knows a great deal about Armstrong's miraculous trail of
>>victories. But for Stapleton he was a solid rider with a clean record who
>>was willing to conform to the team's anti-doping policies. Despite the
>>company's attempts to convince him to change his mind, Stapleton insisted
>>on hiring Hincapie.
>>
>>The rift between Stapleton and Telekom had become so wide that the
>>separation had to be painstakingly negotiated. On Nov. 6, the company's
>>board of directors decided to examine ways to get rid of Stapleton
>>immediately. The simplest approach was not an option.
>>
>>--------
>>
>>Also, Rolf Aldag, current manager of High Road, confessed to being a
>>chronic doper throughout his career as a rider. Yet Staplerhead keeps
>>Alldouche on in the role of team manager simply because he "confessed."
>>This is the equivalent of a police department hiring a pedophile to run
>>its Special Victims Unit just because he confessed.
>>
>>The Germans must be some real deep throat cocksuckers for these very
>>public crybaby press conference confessions as some kind of vestigial
>>retroactive remorse for that little concentration camp thing they let
>>happen back in WWII. In reality, a confession means little, especially if
>>you don't give back any of the illegal proceeds you STOLE as a result of
>>your cheating, which none of these "confessors" ever do (reference: any
>>number of Matt "Kid Adrenaline" DeCanio rants).
>>
>>This is why Jeanson's confession is hollow.
>>
>>In the U.S. federal court system, confessing means nothing in sentencing
>>guidelines. However, restitution does. If you steal money from a bank, a
>>federal prosecutor doesn't give a donkey **** if you confessed to it or
>>not - he only cares if you pay it back. That's because a confession
>>without victim compensation is just another selfish act by the person
>>making it to clear their own conscience without caring about redressing
>>the victim(s) injuries/loss.
>>
>>After confessing to using EPO (and never returning a single penny of prize
>>money or salary, of course), it was discovered Eric Zabel was in
>>negotiations with Staplerhead for a contract in 2008. Stapleton said he
>>would welcome not only Crybaby back but, get this, Sinkabitch as well!
>>
>>Finally, the two doctors from the Freiberg Clinic who Staplerhead hired to
>>oversee this state-of-the-art anti-doping program - Drs. Lothar Heinrich
>>and Andreas Schmidt - as it turns out, were both Dr. Mengele's in
>>disguise. They were EPO and blood transfusion traffickers - kingpins of
>>the doping underworld in cycling who actually managed and administrated
>>the doping program at T-Mobile for years!
>>
>>This is like hiring George Bush to be the Dean of your Foreign Affairs
>>Department at a university and then wondering why you notice three new
>>courses for the Fall Semester with the title: "Drop Bombs First, Ask
>>Questions Later 101."
>>
>>Then, in retaliation for not wanting to give such a fraudulently managed
>>team $20 million/year, Scissorhands hires private detectives to
>>investigate Deutsche Telekom to dig up dirt on them so he can use that
>>information to blackmail them into a higher severance payout!
>>
>>This guy just showed his hand. And all he had the entire time were
>>JOKERS.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>Magilla
>>
>>http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,522031-2,00.html

>
>
>
 
T

Tom Kunich

Guest
"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
> You make a great point and I think it was Vaughters who was quoted in
> cyclingnews, that all the riders on Postal got their hematocrits hovering
> around 49% prior to a certain race. I'm sure somebody can post the link.


Ain't it strange that my hematocrit is naturally 48%-49%? To read idiots
like you a person would think that no one ever naturally had 54% hematocrit
as has been recorded many many times.
 
On Dec 9, 1:55 am, "xzzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Facts matter,
>
> Before there was a test for EPO, there was a de facto drug test that said
> ( summarizing ) If your hematocrit is above 50 then you are excused for
> racing for 2 weeks.
>
> Most Eurpoean racers hematocrit immediately dropped down to into the 48-49+
> range.
>
> My point is:
> Hincapie and Armstrong have raced and have been drug tested.
>
> There is a record of there drug tests and hematocrit.
>
> If they were on EPO, then there would be a drop in hematocrit to stay
> under the radar when the 50% rule took effect.
>
> The information exists.
>
> Those who have the information => MAKE IT AVAILABLE
>


dumbass,

as kunich's reply illustrates there is no point.

the Us magazine crowd aren't willing to accept anything short of an
admission from the rider as proof of doping.

even a mountain of circumstantal evidence or even a positive test can
be dismissed as a campaign launched by nefarious parties.

for years after the festina affarr virenque claimed he was always
clean and that voet is a liar and for years jeanson claimed her
elevated hematocrit was from sleeping in an altitude tent and she was
going to show that her failed doping control was a false positive.

if you search the rbr archives you can read all the postings from the
dumbasses who argued supporting the plausibility of her defense. how
do they feel now ?
 
M

MagillaGorilla

Guest
[email protected] wrote:

> On Dec 9, 1:55 am, "xzzy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Facts matter,
>>
>>Before there was a test for EPO, there was a de facto drug test that said
>>( summarizing ) If your hematocrit is above 50 then you are excused for
>>racing for 2 weeks.
>>
>>Most Eurpoean racers hematocrit immediately dropped down to into the 48-49+
>>range.
>>
>>My point is:
>> Hincapie and Armstrong have raced and have been drug tested.
>>
>> There is a record of there drug tests and hematocrit.
>>
>> If they were on EPO, then there would be a drop in hematocrit to stay
>>under the radar when the 50% rule took effect.
>>
>> The information exists.
>>
>> Those who have the information => MAKE IT AVAILABLE
>>

>
>
> dumbass,
>
> as kunich's reply illustrates there is no point.
>
> the Us magazine crowd aren't willing to accept anything short of an
> admission from the rider as proof of doping.
>
> even a mountain of circumstantal evidence or even a positive test can
> be dismissed as a campaign launched by nefarious parties.
>
> for years after the festina affarr virenque claimed he was always
> clean and that voet is a liar and for years jeanson claimed her
> elevated hematocrit was from sleeping in an altitude tent and she was
> going to show that her failed doping control was a false positive.
>
> if you search the rbr archives you can read all the postings from the
> dumbasses who argued supporting the plausibility of her defense. how
> do they feel now ?





Fraud is taking the All-Madden pro denial ruse to a new level when he
came out with "Postively Fraud" and his Fraud Funky Fund.

Now these dopes have actually connived the semen swallowing public into
paying their legal bills and buying their books.

If Floyd invited you people to a picnic in Jonestown, Guyana with lots
of free punch, most of you jagoffs in here would pack up your Power Tap
rigs and Allen Lim manuals and go.

70% of the people in here need to seriously consider whether they should
call 911 and ask an ambulance to take them to a hospital to have their
stomachs pumped of all the Pro Tour semen in it.


Magilla
 
H

HC

Guest
Holy ****... you didn't need to bury the retard.


> I suggest you go to the ER and get all that Pro Tour semen you swallowed
> pumped out of your stomach, Rod Stewart.
>
>
> Magilla
 
J

John Forrest Tomlinson

Guest
On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:33:23 -0800, "Phil Holman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"MagillaGorilla" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> LeMond comes out of that conversation looking really bad. Both of
>>> them
>>> do. Laughing and talking about what George's baby is going to look
>>> like.

>>
>>
>> LemonD was using a little Boonesfarm small talk to get Stephanie to
>> "open up."
>>
>> It worked.
>>
>> Well, at least we now know why Hincapie's leg veins look like he got
>> them from an alien.
>>

>Why, are his parents aliens? It's statements like these that blur the
>facts.


His father was, I think, but I'm pretty sure he's a US citizen now.

http://www.crca.net/news/200509.htm#12 (scroll down a bit on the
right)


Nice guy, as is George (though that doesn't mean hs is or isn't
doping).

JT
 
On Dec 9, 8:32 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> In 2005, the tall American won the most difficult mountain stage of the
> >> Tour, even though he had never excelled as a mountain specialist before.

>
> > Talk about taking something out of context. Perhaps we should look at what
> > Periero thought about that stage-
> > =================
> > Said a rather ****** Pereiro at the finish line: "I asked him [Hincapie] to
> > work, as we had to collaborate to battle it out in a sprint - but he didn't.
> > Sometimes it's not the strongest that wins. I think I showed I was one the
> > guys that wanted this stage the most. I thought there was victory in it for
> > me, but that's life... I'll continue trying and one day I hope to be
> > rewarded. Now, I'll continue to help Floyd [Landis] get on the podium."
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005/tour05/?id=results/tour0515
> > =================
> > If you want to make a case for George performing unrealistically, you'd look
> > at all those times he was pushing the tempo at the front for the first
> > third, maybe more, of the major climbs. After having been working the race
> > on the flats as well.

>
> Rigth on the spot. Hincapie pushing te tempo uphill is an unatural
> ability given his size. He shure didn't have it in 1999.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.


It's not that Hincapie was riding hard at the front in hard mountain
stages, it was that he was dropping climbers like Simoni and that he
was not doing suicide pulls either. The "**** Pound Evidence"
regarding Hincapie is clear so he merits an investigation as to why
all his doping tests came negative. At the very least, all the
negative sample should be retested at the LNDD.

-ilan
 

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