Bro Deal said:
Its a nice theory that Hincapie was the reason that TM pulled the plug... Well done by the spin doctor from Bonn and his pr team. But... its bull!Bro Deal said:
What was the reason?cyclingheroes said:Its a nice theory that Hincapie was the reason that TM pulled the plug... Well done by the spin doctor from Bonn and his pr team. But... its bull!
There were several reasons. It would take a few 100 pages to write it all down. An important reason was the never ending German media campaign against the team and cycling in general. Another important reason was the way cycling is governt. You never know what comes next (ASO - UCI power struggle has a lot to do with what happened at the 2006 and 2007 Tour, in the years before it was all covered up...).Drongo said:What was the reason?
Did they just lack the stomach for the fight?
I keep seeing this charge that the UCI-ASO struggle is responsible for this and that team's troubles, but--aside from Unibet, which must have known beforehand that they would have troubles--I haven't seen anything to back it up. Allegations of the UCI mishandling the Rasmussen missed tests and other doping related issues can be explained by incompetence easier than a plot to damage the ASO. The UCI did not act any different before the spat over the ProTour.cyclingheroes said:There were several reasons. It would take a few 100 pages to write it all down. An important reason was the never ending German media campaign against the team and cycling in general. Another important reason was the way cycling is governt. You never know what comes next (ASO - UCI power struggle has a lot to do with what happened at the 2006 and 2007 Tour, in the years before it was all covered up...).
I do see it. Incompetent yes, deliberatly creating a scandal to harm the Tour also a yes. I know more than I can post here.Bro Deal said:I keep seeing this charge that the UCI-ASO struggle is responsible for this and that team's troubles, but--aside from Unibet, which must have known beforehand that they would have troubles--I haven't seen anything to back it up. Allegations of the UCI mishandling the Rasmussen missed tests and other doping related issues can be explained by incompetence easier than a plot to damage the ASO. The UCI did not act any different before the spat over the ProTour.
I don't see how the UCI-ASO tiff affected T-Mobile much.
Everyone is responsible for what he did! Riders and teams ran doping program, they stay responsible of that even and UCI, ASO, organisers, and medias are responsible of the cover up.cyclingheroes said:There were several reasons. It would take a few 100 pages to write it all down. An important reason was the never ending German media campaign against the team and cycling in general. Another important reason was the way cycling is governt. You never know what comes next (ASO - UCI power struggle has a lot to do with what happened at the 2006 and 2007 Tour, in the years before it was all covered up...).
Poulidor - Je suis d'accord avec ce que vous dites.poulidor said:Everyone is responsible for what he did! Riders and teams ran doping program, they stay responsible of that even and UCI, ASO, organisers, and medias are responsible of the cover up.
Poulidor - Merci du compliment. Votre anglais est tres bon.poulidor said:Merci pour tous ces compliments. Perpicacité, clairvoyance et humour vous vont si bien.
Votre français, produit par un logiciel, est relativement bon. Meilleur que mon anglais issu de mon cerveau.
Au plaisir de vous lire.
yeah cos soccer is cleancyclingheroes said:Deutsche Telekom was thinking about changing its sponsor strategies for a long time. New CEO René Obermann who leads the company for two years now wanted to do more soccer and more sponsoring for kids and amateur sports for the average...
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It just makes me sick that sports like soccer are thought, in the public and sponsors eyes, to be clean. OP could have just opened everything up. But soccer is too big, like the Olympics, with too many influential people involved, and too much money. These sports are like the OJ Simpsons of the athletic world.earth_dweller said:yeah cos soccer is clean
We have seen this time and time again in Italy. Juventus riders who test positive and are caught on video being injected **** are immediately declared 'non-negative'. Cyclists are the only ones who dope, remember. Il calcio è pulito!Crankyfeet said:It just makes me sick that sports like soccer are thought, in the public and sponsors eyes, to be clean. OP could have just opened everything up. But soccer is too big, like the Olympics, with too many influential people involved, and too much money. These sports are like the OJ Simpsons of the athletic world.
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