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Also, we stick to the global scheme of things where bigger gives way to smaller...

shipping tankers give way to smaller powered vessels which give way to sail powered which give
way to rowing boats.

Er no,not quite. There exists a set of International rules (COLREGS) which define who gives way
to whom. Basically boats are divided into power or sail. Power gives way to sail but with some
exceptions; manouvring with difficulty, constrained by draught, navigating in narrow channel,
engaged in fishing. Two powered vessels in open water give way depending on their relative
position, size has nothing to do with it.

Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft? I believe motor vehicles on land are supposed to give way
to hovercraft, but maybe hovercraft give way to sail. Then again, it could be an urban rumour - I've
never actually found any legal reference to everyone giving way to hovercraft.

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
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Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft?

My hovercraft is full of eels.

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004, the Baker-Bealls <[email hidden]>

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"pmailkeey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Also, we stick to the global scheme of things where bigger gives way to smaller...

shipping tankers give way to smaller powered vessels which give way to sail powered which give
way to rowing boats.

Er no,not quite. There exists a set of International rules (COLREGS)

which

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define who gives way to whom. Basically boats are divided into power

or

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sail. Power gives way to sail but with some exceptions; manouvring with difficulty, constrained
by draught, navigating in narrow channel,

engaged in

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fishing. Two powered vessels in open water give way depending on their relative position, size
has nothing to do with it.

Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft? I believe motor vehicles on land are supposed to give way
to hovercraft, but maybe hovercraft give way to sail. Then again, it could be an urban rumour -
I've never actually found any legal reference to everyone giving way to hovercraft.

regards, Ian SMith
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As far as I'm aware (without checking) no special rules for hovercraft other than needing to carry
an amber flashing light. Same collision rules apply although I imagine the most likely is
"overtaking vessel gives way" due to speed differentials.

HTH Julia

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shipping tankers give way to smaller powered vessels

Yeah right!

"Hey mister tanker captain, I'm a little wee pleasure cruiser who happens to be in your path. Do you
mind rerouting several hundred thousand tons of oil and tanker to avoid me. Hello... Can you hear
me..... SPLAT!"

Luckily common sense usually prevails in cases like this and little pleasure cruisers keep well out
of the way of tankers. Mind you, there was the time when me and a friend capsized a Wayfarer in the
shipping lane in the Firth of Forth (mainly through inexperience). Luckily the only tanker around
had berthed half an hour before :-/

Graeme

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747s give way to light aircraft which give way to gliders...

Where did you get that from?

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shipping tankers give way to smaller powered vessels

Assuming they have 3 or 4 hours notice to effect an avoidance decision.

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747s give way to light aircraft

Only if forced to do so, if a 747 collides with a 152 the fates of all involved is likely to be the
same unlike the outcome of a 40 tonne truck hitting a small car or a small car hitting a ped.

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which give way to gliders

See above.

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"Ian Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft? I believe motor vehicles on land are supposed to give
way to hovercraft, but maybe hovercraft give way to sail. Then again, it could be an urban
rumour - I've never actually found any legal reference to everyone giving way to hovercraft.

As far as I'm aware (without checking) no special rules for hovercraft other than needing to
carry an amber flashing light. Same collision rules apply although I imagine the most likely is
"overtaking vessel gives way" due to speed differentials.

Indeed, some minor perusing of teh web suggests that hovercraft and pair trawlers are the only
vessels to routinely display strobes.

Meanwhile, on teh roads, I find that while the 1998 (I think) RTA defines a hovercraft as a motor
vehicle within teh meaning of teh act (whether or not it is intended to be road-going) in teh
very next sub-sub-clause it exempts hovercraft from all the requirements of teh act that apply to
motor vehicles.

It seems I need teh Hovercraft Act 1968, but that's too old for web access. Shame.

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft?

My hovercraft is full of eels.

Your mother was a 'amster and your father smells of elderberries.

Tim

All right, that's enough now.

Move along.

Nothing to see here.

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Originally posted by Dave Kahn
> 747s give way to light aircraft which give way to gliders...

Where did you get that from?

That sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I'm not sure if it's quite right. Many years ago, I was an Air Cadet and once in a theory class we were set the question: Which would have right of way out of a Concorde and a hot air balloon? It seemed pretty obvious to me that the balloon would have right of way because it is less easy to manoeuvre, but most of the class got it wrong.

It was a long time ago and I can't remember exactly how the hierarchy goes but to put it simply, whichever aircraft would find it easier to get out of the other's path is the one that doesn't have right of way, and generally the slower aircraft is the one that will find it harder to get out of the other's path.

I don't see that the rule for aircraft necessarily applies equally to road users.

And speaking from personal experience, I have always come off worse in collisions with pedestrians - and in every case it was the pedestrian's fault! You've only got my word for that but I can assure you that I am speaking the truth.

Ian Smith said:

Doesn't everyone give way to hovercraft?

You ought to (and there are regulations on this, although it's years since I read them).

Hovercraft have no brakes. Giving way to them is just common sense.
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On 12 Feb 2004 04:57:39 -0800, [email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote:

🙂[email hidden] (pmailkeey) wrote in message
:news:<[email hidden]>... ) )> 747s give way to light aircraft which give way
:to gliders... ) )Where did you get that from?

All to do with common sense/ability.

If a glider's landing a Heathrow, ATC will tell 747s to go round again. If a 747 is landing, they
won't tell a glider pilot to go round again as it is probably impossible !
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:33:40 +0000 (UTC), "the Baker-Bealls"
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🙂As far as I'm aware (without checking) no special rules for hovercraft other )than needing to
:carry an amber flashing light.

Where ? Land/sea/lake ?
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:28:39 +0000 (UTC), Ian Smith
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🙂It seems I need teh Hovercraft Act 1968, but that's too old for web )access. Shame. )

Bugga - I could go look it up in't library. Thought it a useful alternative in snow !
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If a glider's landing a Heathrow,

Now that would be a sight to see!
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:33:40 +0000 (UTC), "the Baker-Bealls" <notbaker-
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🙂As far as I'm aware (without checking) no special rules for hovercraft

other

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🙂than needing to carry an amber flashing light.

Where ? Land/sea/lake ?
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Sea (under international rules for the prevention of collisions at sea) . No idea about land or
lakes, if using European inland waterways it would come under CEVNI but interestingly I can't recall
any mention of hovercraft in them

Julia

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If a glider's landing a Heathrow, ATC will tell 747s to go round again. If a 747 is landing, they
won't tell a glider pilot to go round again as it is probably impossible !

The quickest way to land at Heathrow is to be in an ambulance aeroplane from say Scotland. All other
aeroplanes kept out of the way while the air ambulance goes straight in. Having landed the pilot is
told to proceed to taxiway bla, bla, bla and on enquiring where on earth that is, as he is a country
yokel, follows instructions to follow another aeroplane and reaches an unloading point.

The slowest way to take off from Heathrow is to be in the now unloaded air ambulance. The tiny
aeroplane is bottom of everybody's list of priorities.

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On 12 Feb 2004 04:57:39 -0800, [email hidden] (Dave Kahn) wrote:

🙂[email hidden] (pmailkeey) wrote in message
:news:<[email hidden]>... ) )> 747s give way to light aircraft which give
:way to gliders... ) )Where did you get that from?

All to do with common sense/ability.

If a glider's landing a Heathrow, ATC will tell 747s to go round again. If a 747 is landing, they
won't tell a glider pilot to go round again as it is probably impossible !

That's simply a case of following ATC, not of one aircraft giving way to another. There's no
"probably" about it BTW; a glider cannot go round again - every landing is a forced landing. Glider
landings at Heathrow are rather rare; I can't think of a valid excuse for making one, but I do know
someone who landed at Dyce, Aberdeen. He didn't land on the runway though, just dropped in over the
fence. ATC had not spotted him and no-one even knew he was there till he knocked on the door and
confessed.

I also know someone who landed on the runway at a USAF base. A big truck rolled up with a "follow
me" sign on it. After 3 attempts to get the aircraft to follow him the driver strode over and
demanded to know what the problem was. :-)

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:36:41 GMT, davek
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🙂That sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I'm not sure if it's quite )right. Many years ago, I was
:an Air Cadet and once in a theory class we )were set the question: Which would have right of way
:out of a Concorde )and a hot air balloon? It seemed pretty obvious to me that the balloon )would
:have right of way because it is less easy to manoeuvre, but most )of the class got it wrong.

Yup.

🙂And speaking from personal experience, I have always come off worse in )collisions with
:pedestrians - and in every case it was the pedestrian's )fault! You've only got my word for that
:but I can assure you that I am )speaking the truth.

I've only had one annoying ped collision. The old bag saw me coming from far off and waited for me -
while all the other peds carried on walking, causing no hassle to anyone. The old bag just stood
there - I got nearer, and slowed. I turned to go behind her back - but I wasn't quick enough - she
stepped backwards. I slowed to a crawl and made a further avoiding manoeuvre. I thought I'd got away
with this until I was almost past her when she lunged at my handle bars - then rolled on her back
looking for sympathy !

She rolled well without banging her head and was soonish up on her feet. I was blazing mad.

The other time I had an "amusement" was while cycling along the road and I clipped elbows with a
police seargeant. He quickly apologised profusely !
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(Dave Kahn) said:

I also know someone who landed on the runway at a USAF base. A big truck rolled up with a "follow
me" sign on it. After 3 attempts to get the aircraft to follow him the driver strode over and
demanded to know what the problem was. :-)

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