How do you print frame transfers?



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Callaghan

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Hi there,

I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?

I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
haven't decided yet.

The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
<http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
who I may return to.

I'd be grateful of any useful advice.

--
Callaghan
 
"Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi there,
>
> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>
> I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
> thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
> haven't decided yet.
>
> The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
> <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
> who I may return to.
>
> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>
> --
> Callaghan


I bought a frame from here and they do transfers but I haven't tried them.
www.becsbikes.tk
pretty reasonably priced.

cheers
Jon_H

P.S. I don't actually know the person and cannot guarantee the workmanship
as I have never tried them myself.
 
Callaghan wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>
> I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
> thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
> haven't decided yet.
>
> The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
> <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
> who I may return to.
>
> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>


email me and I'll let you know what I can do for a small fee.

I've done quite a few for others on the newsgroups

[email protected]
 
"Jon_H" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> > advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> > how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can

pass
> > on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to

a
> > print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for

a
> > few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
> >
> > I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
> > thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
> > haven't decided yet.
> >
> > The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
> > <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
> > who I may return to.
> >
> > I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
> >
> > --
> > Callaghan

>
> I bought a frame from here and they do transfers but I haven't tried

them.
> www.becsbikes.tk
> pretty reasonably priced.
>
> cheers
> Jon_H
>
> P.S. I don't actually know the person and cannot guarantee the workmanship
> as I have never tried them myself.
>
>


cancel that last URL unless you really want to view the casino advert try
this one instead.

http://us.share.geocities.com/becs_bikes/products.pdf

I should have checked before inflicting upon the group

cheers
Jon_H
 
Callaghan said:
Hi there,

I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?

I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
haven't decided yet.

The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
<http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
who I may return to.

I'd be grateful of any useful advice.

--
Callaghan
You can buy decal paper (from hobby-shops) and run it through an ink-jet but the ink will probably fade especially on something like a bike which gets a fair bit of UV exposure.
There are also specialists who can do a better job,but for a single set of decals the cost is likely to be prohibitive.
The cost of "original" decals is outrageous but you may have to bite the bullet on this one and go with your frame refinisher.At least you know that the decals will be compatible with the finish.
 
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Callaghan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>

You can get adhesive polyester film or waterslip transfer paper, which
can be laser printed (the waterslip will need a lacquer overcoat). The
only problem with these is that it doesn't seem to be easy to buy a
single A4 sheet.
 
Pete Whelan wrote:

> email me and I'll let you know what I can do for a small fee.
>
> I've done quite a few for others on the newsgroups
>
> [email protected]


- Including me. I like these vinyl stickers /more/ than the professional
type of transfers new bikes come with.

Just out of curisoity, Pete, what sort of device do you use and how much
would one cost?

I know nothing about these things. I'm guessing it's like a printer but
with a lazer cutting thing?

~PB
 
Pete Biggs wrote:
> Pete Whelan wrote:
>
>
>>email me and I'll let you know what I can do for a small fee.
>>
>>I've done quite a few for others on the newsgroups
>>
>>[email protected]

>
>
> - Including me. I like these vinyl stickers /more/ than the professional
> type of transfers new bikes come with.
>
> Just out of curisoity, Pete, what sort of device do you use and how much
> would one cost?
>
> I know nothing about these things. I'm guessing it's like a printer but
> with a lazer cutting thing?
>
> ~PB
>
>

Peter,

It's a Roland vinyl cutter, with a roller for the 'Y' and a moving head
for the 'X' directions. A bit like a pen plotter. The cutting is by a
pin ***** of a blade that rotates as the direction of cut changes. £500
is about the cheapest they come (+VAt, + getting loads of vinyl, etc)
 
Callaghan wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>
> I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
> thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
> haven't decided yet.
>
> The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
> <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
> who I may return to.
>
> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>


Please let is know what you finally decided to do because I also have a
Claud Butler Daleman, bought this summer off EBay, which is in serious
need of some new transfers!


Julesh
 
"Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi there,
>
> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for a
> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>
> I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
> thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
> haven't decided yet.
>
> The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
> <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
> who I may return to.
>
> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>
> --
> Callaghan


CraftyComputerPaper (Google & ye shall find) sells paper for making
waterslide transfers in single A4 sheets - either inkjet or laser (obviously
most lasers are black only so you would need a light coloured frame). I've
tried the laser and they seem to work OK - you need to let them REALLY DRY
on the frame and then mist-coat with about 4 or 5 coats of aerosol car
lacquer - and I then coated mine with car wax polish. So far they seem
quite durable (they're black on a yellow frame)

RG
 
"RG" <nochance> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I was hoping someone had been through this process and could offer some
>> advice. I'm fine with the design side on the pc. I'm interested to know
>> how my designs could be printed on some suitable material that I can pass
>> on to my frame refinisher. Can I take a jpeg or other similar format to a
>> print shop on the high street and have them printed on a sheet of A4 for
>> a
>> few quid? Or am I limited to a specialist of some sort?
>>
>> I was quoted over the phone, "about £20", from the refinisher which I
>> thought was a bit steep. I might only need transfers for the down tube I
>> haven't decided yet.
>>
>> The frame in question is a Claud Butler Dalesman. I'm aware of H. Lloyd
>> <http://tinyurl.com/jbwer> who stocks original or reproduced transfers,
>> who I may return to.
>>
>> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>>
>> --
>> Callaghan

>
> CraftyComputerPaper (Google & ye shall find) sells paper for making
> waterslide transfers in single A4 sheets - either inkjet or laser
> (obviously most lasers are black only so you would need a light coloured
> frame). I've tried the laser and they seem to work OK - you need to let
> them REALLY DRY on the frame and then mist-coat with about 4 or 5 coats of
> aerosol car lacquer - and I then coated mine with car wax polish. So far
> they seem quite durable (they're black on a yellow frame)
>
> RG


Should have added the H Lloyds transfers are excellent, used them for my
Claud Butler Majestic and a Peugeot Triathlon

RG
 
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:56:01 GMT, Julesh wrote:
> Callaghan wrote:
>> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.

>
> Please let is know what you finally decided to do because I also have a
> Claud Butler Daleman, bought this summer off EBay, which is in serious
> need of some new transfers!


As I've mentioned already in the thread I'll go with the originals from H.
Lloyd for peace of mind.

I'm having the renovation work done by http://www.steve-goff-frames.co.uk/
who isn't too far away from me and has a decent reputation. All being well
I should be able to put some pics up somewhere to showcase his (hopefully
tip-top) work in a few weeks time.

--
Callaghan
 
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:08:21 +0100, RG wrote:
> "RG" <nochance> wrote:
>> "Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.

>>
>> CraftyComputerPaper (Google & ye shall find) sells paper for making
>> waterslide transfers in single A4 sheets - either inkjet or laser
>> (obviously most lasers are black only so you would need a light
>> coloured frame). I've tried the laser and they seem to work OK


That's a top tip, precisely what I had in mind. GBP 1.85 a sheet. Another
option for the future considering how teased I am by abandoned/cheap steel
frames.

>> So far they seem quite durable (they're black on a yellow frame)


How long ago did you apply them?

> Should have added the H Lloyds transfers are excellent, used them for my
> Claud Butler Majestic and a Peugeot Triathlon


I'm going to order some this week, just the headtube and downtube. I'd like
to strike while the iron's hot and get this frame back on the road as
quickly and painlessly as possible.

--
Callaghan
 
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:11:35 +0100, Pete Whelan wrote:
> Callaghan wrote:
>> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.

>
> email me and I'll let you know what I can do for a small fee.
> I've done quite a few for others on the newsgroups


That's a great offer that I'll keep in mind for the future. I've decided to
go with the originals from H. Lloyd for peace of mind on this occasion. I
couldn't stand the suspense waiting (two week turnaround) to see if my
design worked. Yes, okay, I've clucked :)

--
Callaghan
 
"Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:08:21 +0100, RG wrote:
>> "RG" <nochance> wrote:
>>> "Callaghan" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I'd be grateful of any useful advice.
>>>
>>> CraftyComputerPaper (Google & ye shall find) sells paper for making
>>> waterslide transfers in single A4 sheets - either inkjet or laser
>>> (obviously most lasers are black only so you would need a light
>>> coloured frame). I've tried the laser and they seem to work OK

>
> That's a top tip, precisely what I had in mind. GBP 1.85 a sheet. Another
> option for the future considering how teased I am by abandoned/cheap steel
> frames.
>
>>> So far they seem quite durable (they're black on a yellow frame)

>
> How long ago did you apply them?
>
>> Should have added the H Lloyds transfers are excellent, used them for my
>> Claud Butler Majestic and a Peugeot Triathlon

>
> I'm going to order some this week, just the headtube and downtube. I'd
> like
> to strike while the iron's hot and get this frame back on the road as
> quickly and painlessly as possible.
>
> --
> Callaghan


Two answers :

1 The original Lloyds transfers were applied some while ago and were
fairly durable - BUT the varnish I used wasn't that brilliant and there was
some scuffing.

BUT the bike then suffered a cracked lug which I had repaired (by the
amazing Doug Pinkerton) and had the frame blasted and powder coated - again
(the brazing process obviously burnt the lug and surrounding paint - I also
took the opportunity to get Doug to "unbraze" an old fashioned lamp boss on
the front fork leg)

2 I made some CraftyComputerPaper transfers (waterslide, laser printed in
black only) and applied them. I only finished the refurb a couple of weeks
ago and have yet to really use the machine - so too early to comment on
durability, but they seem "hard" - I have made a few notes that are in the
"Briefings" link on my website at www.beewee.co.uk

RG
 
On 17/09/2006 18:49, RG said,

> 2 I made some CraftyComputerPaper transfers (waterslide, laser printed in
> black only) and applied them. I only finished the refurb a couple of weeks
> ago and have yet to really use the machine - so too early to comment on
> durability, but they seem "hard" - I have made a few notes that are in the
> "Briefings" link on my website at www.beewee.co.uk


Rather than use inkjets for this, it might be better to use something
like an ALPS printer, which is basically a dye-sublimation printer.
Artwork needs to be prepared a bit differently, but I think the colours
would be more durable in sunlight. The huge additional benefit is that
you can also print white, gold and silver which an inkjet printer can't do.

The artwork is prepared differently and there are some colour
limitations (some lighter shades don't reproduce well), but you just
need to then find someone with an ALPS to print them. (Ahem!!)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
"Paul Boyd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 17/09/2006 18:49, RG said,
>
>> 2 I made some CraftyComputerPaper transfers (waterslide, laser printed
>> in black only) and applied them. I only finished the refurb a couple of
>> weeks ago and have yet to really use the machine - so too early to
>> comment on durability, but they seem "hard" - I have made a few notes
>> that are in the "Briefings" link on my website at www.beewee.co.uk

>
> Rather than use inkjets for this, it might be better to use something like
> an ALPS printer, which is basically a dye-sublimation printer. Artwork
> needs to be prepared a bit differently, but I think the colours would be
> more durable in sunlight. The huge additional benefit is that you can
> also print white, gold and silver which an inkjet printer can't do.
>
> The artwork is prepared differently and there are some colour limitations
> (some lighter shades don't reproduce well), but you just need to then find
> someone with an ALPS to print them. (Ahem!!)
>
> --
> Paul Boyd
> http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/


That seems complicated - my next attempt is to try a colour photo-copier (at
a friend's copyshop) with the laser waterslide paper - I can see no reason
that with multiple mist-coatings of car lacquer the result shouldn't be OK
(subject to not being able to get white or metallic colours of course).

I tried inkjet (an Epson Stylus 810) but the water-based (or "water
affected") inks didn't like the "pre-varnish" before application and ran all
over the place.

RG
 
RG wrote:
> "Paul Boyd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On 17/09/2006 18:49, RG said,
>>
>>
>>>2 I made some CraftyComputerPaper transfers (waterslide, laser printed
>>>in black only) and applied them. I only finished the refurb a couple of
>>>weeks ago and have yet to really use the machine - so too early to
>>>comment on durability, but they seem "hard" - I have made a few notes
>>>that are in the "Briefings" link on my website at www.beewee.co.uk

>>
>>Rather than use inkjets for this, it might be better to use something like
>>an ALPS printer, which is basically a dye-sublimation printer. Artwork
>>needs to be prepared a bit differently, but I think the colours would be
>>more durable in sunlight. The huge additional benefit is that you can
>>also print white, gold and silver which an inkjet printer can't do.
>>
>>The artwork is prepared differently and there are some colour limitations
>>(some lighter shades don't reproduce well), but you just need to then find
>>someone with an ALPS to print them. (Ahem!!)
>>
>>--
>>Paul Boyd
>>http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

>
>
> That seems complicated - my next attempt is to try a colour photo-copier (at
> a friend's copyshop) with the laser waterslide paper - I can see no reason
> that with multiple mist-coatings of car lacquer the result shouldn't be OK
> (subject to not being able to get white or metallic colours of course).
>
> I tried inkjet (an Epson Stylus 810) but the water-based (or "water
> affected") inks didn't like the "pre-varnish" before application and ran all
> over the place.
>
> RG
>
>

no matter what system of 'printing' you use, reds or colours containing
red will

fade far quicker than other colours. UV stabilising will help, but only
slow

down the process.
 
"Paul Boyd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 17/09/2006 18:49, RG said,
>
>> 2 I made some CraftyComputerPaper transfers (waterslide, laser printed
>> in black only) and applied them. I only finished the refurb a couple of
>> weeks ago and have yet to really use the machine - so too early to
>> comment on durability, but they seem "hard" - I have made a few notes
>> that are in the "Briefings" link on my website at www.beewee.co.uk

>
> Rather than use inkjets for this, it might be better to use something like
> an ALPS printer, which is basically a dye-sublimation printer. Artwork
> needs to be prepared a bit differently, but I think the colours would be
> more durable in sunlight. The huge additional benefit is that you can
> also print white, gold and silver which an inkjet printer can't do.
>
> The artwork is prepared differently and there are some colour limitations
> (some lighter shades don't reproduce well), but you just need to then find
> someone with an ALPS to print them. (Ahem!!)
>
> --
> Paul Boyd
> http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/


A very informative website. Thankyou.
 

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