How doped was David Zabriskie in 2005?

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  1. cdy291

    cdy291 New Member

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    2005- New TT record beating Lance Armstrong.
    Whore the yellow jersey for 4 days, and could have been many more.

    2007- Comes in over 2 minutes behind on the first stage.
    Gets time cut on stage 11, which is a flat.
    Before he was cut he was 1:42:00 behind the leader.
     
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  2. Hein-Verbruggen

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    On the blood sauce

    Off the blood sauce.

    Christophe Moreau, age 37 was off-the-chart strong last June/July until miracle recovery blood doper Alex Vino & Team Astana gapped him off as he changed his shoe.

    The next day, having lost all GC hope, Moreau went off his blood doping program and quickly lost big time.

    Media cover stories often refer to 'stomach flu' for coming off the sauce.

    Tyler Hamilton suffered stomach flew after winning the 2004 Vuelta ITT. Later we learned the real truth, that he had flunked his blood test---yet again.
    No reason to ever speculate that Pro Tour riders are clean. They are not.
     
  3. tcklyde

    tcklyde New Member

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    Answer: very doped.
     
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    Klodifan New Member

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    well you remember his crash during the TTT, right? the official story is that his struggles stem from having to change shoes to satisfy the sponsors and sponsors shoes aren't cutting it.
     
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    He should have never been in the tour this year to begin with. I knew he was going to have a hard time.

    He had raced without a real break since Georgia, doing the Giro and Dauphine in between.
    He did claim he was ready for the tour though.
     
  6. helmutRoole2

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    I think he dopes on and off. When he was flying in the mountains earlier this year I think he was doped to the gils. But, I get the feeling that he's had a change of heart... heart, bad word choice. I think he's ready to rest on his laurels and race without dope for the next couple years. I think all these positives have scared some riders straight. If they get caught their entire career is tanked, endorsements and all.

    I think he'll dope again, but it'll be more targeted and later in his career. He can still develop racing semi-clean (without EPO or blood transfusions), but likely the entire pro peloton is running HGH and insulin since there's no tests for that, and estrogen blockers like nolvadex since they don't often test for it (when was the last time someone tested pos for nolvadex or clomid?) and they're probably still running testosterone, although mostly out of competition.
     
  7. Hein-Verbruggen

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    We already know that the peleton run drugs WHICH are detectable.

    We know they run this gear at the TDF:
    testosterone (No IRMS testing done if T/E < 4:1)
    EPO (easy to beat)
    corticosteroids
    stimulants

    Insulin & hGH are always in play too. (test or no test)

    These products are essential to race the Pro Tour.

    Landis, Mayo others confirmed this the past two TDFs.

    It is only the super blood doping (transfusions) that are performed on a targeted basis.
     
  8. fscyclist

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    Last one I remember is Sutherland for Clomid. Is he racing again?
     
  9. classic1

    classic1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, for a US team
     
  10. nns1400

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    I understand what testosterone does for a guy, but what in the holy hell does taking women's fertility drugs do to a guy? I mean side-effects. I still can't believe any women would accept their, um....genetic material.. to make a baby. :eek:
     
  11. Hein-Verbruggen

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    Female fertility hormones are essential for active steroid users to counter the effects of testicular atrophy.

    One reason Nike Lance's Cancer was left so long--was Ferrari did not think high levels of hCG in his urine was weird. Not when he was on those injections.

    Clomid is an oral med
    choroinic gondatropin is injectable.


     
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    Testicular atrophy?? Are you joking? I would think those two words would be enought to keep any man off drugs. That's like saying "facial disfigurement" to a girl.

    But wait a minute -- Lance was no big name when he got cancer. Don't you have to have the big bucks to see the good gynecologist?
     
  13. Hein-Verbruggen

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    Jan Ulrich, Ivan Basso, Tyler Hamilton all saw Dr. Fuentes who is a gynocologist

    Tyler Hamilton also used post menopause hormones as well. (HMG)

    The female fertility hormones are needed because the athletes use daily dosing of testosterone and heavy loads of other T-based steroids.

    w/o the extra testosterone supplements--nobody can hold a job in sport.

    We call it Polypharmacy.

    Bear in mind these are people willing to take IV feeds of cow blood to win a TT event. (win-at-all-cost-mentality = champion/gladiator)


     
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