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How hard is it to BUILD a touring bike?
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datakoll
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On Apr 7, 9:15 pm, daveornee <daveornee.37i...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> [email protected] Wrote:
>
>
>
> > Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back
> > to school full time
>
> > Therefore money IS tight
>
> > BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this
> > summer
>
> > I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not
> > only for the reason that money is tight.... but that
> > I'm wondering if I can build bike cheaper or if not
> > cheaper that is better somehow.
>
> > I know the frame is the heart and soul of a bike.... if
> > I bought a GOOD frame could I populate it with low
> > grade components for use this summer and upgrade when
> > back to work? I was even thinking I could use
> > components form a yard sale bike for now.
>
> > advice? how to get a good bike but do it in fashion
> > that makes sense given my financial constraints
>
> > I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high
> > right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this
> > summer.... besides just touring and for fun
>
> Take what you have and ride it, tour with it, EVERYWHERE.
> You will see lots of interesting things, people, and see what they
> ride... and even talk to them as to what they have seen, what roads to
> take (& avoid), where to eat, where to sleep, etc. As you go you will
> form your own likes and dislikes about the bicycle, hills, sun, rain,
> wide tires, fenders (or not), etc.
> Take a look around the country and you will learn lots. I have ridden
> over 500,000 miles now and I am still learning and still enjoying the
> process. The bicycle you choose (or come to like) will be only a small
> part of the equation.
>
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DAVE ? do you have a favorite amungst the gallery and why?
frankly, you position is too generous and basically blows my mind. Do
lemmings need a push?
I came to an ultra complusive position about 6 months into my 6 year
tour. Everything is just so AND YET IT DOES UNRAVEL but not totally.
orbital planning.
given the chance, would Marty's retired Pittsburgh plumber ride his
Columbia or go for the Route 66 ?
like riding to Paris is no fun if the rig fractures outside home town.
bring the sting eeze
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:
> [email protected] Wrote:
>
>
>
> > Guys I'm unemployed and between jobs.... so went back
> > to school full time
>
> > Therefore money IS tight
>
> > BUT... I went out and bought a Novara Randonee for this
> > summer
>
> > I'm having second thoughts and may return it... not
> > only for the reason that money is tight.... but that
> > I'm wondering if I can build bike cheaper or if not
> > cheaper that is better somehow.
>
> > I know the frame is the heart and soul of a bike.... if
> > I bought a GOOD frame could I populate it with low
> > grade components for use this summer and upgrade when
> > back to work? I was even thinking I could use
> > components form a yard sale bike for now.
>
> > advice? how to get a good bike but do it in fashion
> > that makes sense given my financial constraints
>
> > I don't mind spending some money as gasoline is so high
> > right now I'm pretty set on bike riding EVEYWHERE this
> > summer.... besides just touring and for fun
>
> Take what you have and ride it, tour with it, EVERYWHERE.
> You will see lots of interesting things, people, and see what they
> ride... and even talk to them as to what they have seen, what roads to
> take (& avoid), where to eat, where to sleep, etc. As you go you will
> form your own likes and dislikes about the bicycle, hills, sun, rain,
> wide tires, fenders (or not), etc.
> Take a look around the country and you will learn lots. I have ridden
> over 500,000 miles now and I am still learning and still enjoying the
> process. The bicycle you choose (or come to like) will be only a small
> part of the equation.
>
> --
> daveornee- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
DAVE ? do you have a favorite amungst the gallery and why?
frankly, you position is too generous and basically blows my mind. Do
lemmings need a push?
I came to an ultra complusive position about 6 months into my 6 year
tour. Everything is just so AND YET IT DOES UNRAVEL but not totally.
orbital planning.
given the chance, would Marty's retired Pittsburgh plumber ride his
Columbia or go for the Route 66 ?
like riding to Paris is no fun if the rig fractures outside home town.
bring the sting eeze
L
landotter
Guest
On Apr 7, 9:25 pm, Hank <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 7:14 pm, landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 4:49 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <8d8ec5d8-8be1-4eb8-aa75-1d7051324...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > WELL LOOKEY HERE !!
> > > > this one izza SPORTS-TOURER set up on the TOURER side
>
> > > >http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/image/88887199
>
> > > >http://www.fullyloadedtouring.com/
>
> > > Frame looks to be the right size.
> > > No kinky drop bars.
> > > Bars set just so.
> > > A winner.
> > > The rear mud guard is badly undersized;
> > > even the rear mud flap is not sufficient.
> > > The front mud guard needs a mud flap; in front!
>
> > > Altogether a great set up.
> > > Love the horizontal top tube.
>
> > What tires are those?? To need 60mm fenders on a 700c tire, they gotta
> > be super wide!
>
> I don't think those are 700c tires. Just from a glance, It looks like
> a 54cm LHT, which uses 559/26" wheels, but its long head tube makes it
> look bigger than it is.
Ya got me! That must be it, especially now that I eyeball the
proportions. You're right, the head tube made me think it was a 56cm
with some freaky tires. So just a 54cm with one model of many fat 26"
street tires.
I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires. First it was the Redline
fixie I bought 18 months ago with IRC Tandems at 30mm. Sold my skinny
tire bike after riding the Redline and re-discovering the confidence
that comes with wider tires. I ride on some major rough city roads and
the float adds not only comfort but a sense of safety in tight
traffic.
This afternoon, a 20 miler on the Kona with 37s turned into a 35+
miler when I got lost out by the lake during rush hour. Was able to
ride the fine crush gravel by the road just fine and not hold up the
40mph traffic.
> On Apr 7, 7:14 pm, landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 4:49 pm, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <8d8ec5d8-8be1-4eb8-aa75-1d7051324...@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > WELL LOOKEY HERE !!
> > > > this one izza SPORTS-TOURER set up on the TOURER side
>
> > > >http://www.pbase.com/canyonlands/image/88887199
>
> > > >http://www.fullyloadedtouring.com/
>
> > > Frame looks to be the right size.
> > > No kinky drop bars.
> > > Bars set just so.
> > > A winner.
> > > The rear mud guard is badly undersized;
> > > even the rear mud flap is not sufficient.
> > > The front mud guard needs a mud flap; in front!
>
> > > Altogether a great set up.
> > > Love the horizontal top tube.
>
> > What tires are those?? To need 60mm fenders on a 700c tire, they gotta
> > be super wide!
>
> I don't think those are 700c tires. Just from a glance, It looks like
> a 54cm LHT, which uses 559/26" wheels, but its long head tube makes it
> look bigger than it is.
Ya got me! That must be it, especially now that I eyeball the
proportions. You're right, the head tube made me think it was a 56cm
with some freaky tires. So just a 54cm with one model of many fat 26"
street tires.
I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires. First it was the Redline
fixie I bought 18 months ago with IRC Tandems at 30mm. Sold my skinny
tire bike after riding the Redline and re-discovering the confidence
that comes with wider tires. I ride on some major rough city roads and
the float adds not only comfort but a sense of safety in tight
traffic.
This afternoon, a 20 miler on the Kona with 37s turned into a 35+
miler when I got lost out by the lake during rush hour. Was able to
ride the fine crush gravel by the road just fine and not hold up the
40mph traffic.
datakoll said:
I like the ones that have smiling riders.
My first cross country from California to Maine was on a single speed old fat tire "Army Bike".
My last trip from Illinois to Washington and back was on a 26" tire touring bicycle.
In between times the best were parts of Alaska, NW Montana, UP Michigan, New Zealand, Ireland, & Prince Edward Island. The people, the places, the food, and the fun were great!
I have come to like Orlieb waterproof simple roll top panniers, full coverage Stainless Steel fenders with mud flaps, Steel tubular racks (German made I think), Shimano XT hubs, Sapim Stainless spokes, Shimano 9 speed bar end shifters, 36 spoke wheels, 1.5" wide tires, and Avid 15C canti brakes. Every thread gets covered with either anti-Sieze or Loctite.
If I had to choose what came closest to meet my needs today I would start with a 26" wheeled Surly Long Haul Trucker & add racks and fenders.
As I get closer to retirement age, I think the I will try a 'bent as my neck and backside might allow me to enjoy each day more.
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landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
You know this is a good point above
I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
riding over cracks and seams in the road.
Any thoughts or agreement on this?
I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
on it
>I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
You know this is a good point above
I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
riding over cracks and seams in the road.
Any thoughts or agreement on this?
I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
on it
M
daveornee
<[email protected]>
wrote:
>The bicycle you choose (or come to like) will be only a small
>part of the equation.
Agree
But with limited funds I can only have one bike....so
must chose carefully
<[email protected]>
wrote:
>The bicycle you choose (or come to like) will be only a small
>part of the equation.
Agree
But with limited funds I can only have one bike....so
must chose carefully
L
landotter
Guest
On Apr 8, 2:01 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> You know this is a good point above
>
> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
Ride more, ***** less. I ride my fixed gear on narrower tires on fire
roads.
> I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
> what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
> on it
Surely you'll find something wrong with whatever you get!
> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> You know this is a good point above
>
> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
Ride more, ***** less. I ride my fixed gear on narrower tires on fire
roads.
> I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
> what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
> on it
Surely you'll find something wrong with whatever you get!
D
datakoll
Guest
you will not fall as long as the tires don't fall into a deep crack
say 3+ inches and narrow. Keep an eye on the road, learn
countersteering and steer out or up at more thsan a shallow angle.
the wheel's centripital force gyroscopes stability.
say 3+ inches and narrow. Keep an eye on the road, learn
countersteering and steer out or up at more thsan a shallow angle.
the wheel's centripital force gyroscopes stability.
N
Nate Nagel
Guest
datakoll wrote:
>
> you will not fall as long as the tires don't fall into a deep crack
> say 3+ inches and narrow. Keep an eye on the road, learn
> countersteering and steer out or up at more thsan a shallow angle.
> the wheel's centripital force gyroscopes stability.
damn, that just brought back a memory... years ago, I was riding some
crappy Schwinn MTB and the stem came loose. While I was screaming
downhill on a not-so-well-paved road. I did pretty well until the front
wheel fell into a crack... (looks down) yup, there's still a little blue
dot on my knee where I didn't get all the gravel out. that was fun.
That has to be 15-20 years ago. Fortunately I did have a little toolkit
strapped under the seat, so I was at least able to get home. Probably
creeped out a few motorists.
nate
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>
> you will not fall as long as the tires don't fall into a deep crack
> say 3+ inches and narrow. Keep an eye on the road, learn
> countersteering and steer out or up at more thsan a shallow angle.
> the wheel's centripital force gyroscopes stability.
damn, that just brought back a memory... years ago, I was riding some
crappy Schwinn MTB and the stem came loose. While I was screaming
downhill on a not-so-well-paved road. I did pretty well until the front
wheel fell into a crack... (looks down) yup, there's still a little blue
dot on my knee where I didn't get all the gravel out. that was fun.
That has to be 15-20 years ago. Fortunately I did have a little toolkit
strapped under the seat, so I was at least able to get home. Probably
creeped out a few motorists.
nate
--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel
T
Tom Sherman
Guest
[email protected] wrote:
> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> You know this is a good point above
>
> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> You know this is a good point above
>
> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
D
datakoll
Guest
On Apr 8, 3:15 pm, landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 8, 2:01 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> > You know this is a good point above
>
> > I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> > Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> > At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> > and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> > fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> > riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> > Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
> Ride more, ***** less. I ride my fixed gear on narrower tires on fire
> roads.
>
> > I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
> > what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
> > on it
>
> Surely you'll find something wrong with whatever you get!
here's a guy need to go off the end, get a Safari, condition and kit
then head out.
> On Apr 8, 2:01 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> > You know this is a good point above
>
> > I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> > Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> > At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> > and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> > fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> > riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> > Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
> Ride more, ***** less. I ride my fixed gear on narrower tires on fire
> roads.
>
> > I'm def taking the Randonee back..... just not sure
> > what to go for from here. Maybe a mt bike with slicks
> > on it
>
> Surely you'll find something wrong with whatever you get!
here's a guy need to go off the end, get a Safari, condition and kit
then head out.
L
landotter
Guest
On Apr 8, 8:47 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> > You know this is a good point above
>
> > I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> > Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> > At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> > and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> > fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> > riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> > Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
> J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
> things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
Maybe if we all chipped in for some 32mm Paselas, he'd be less
grouchy.
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>
> > You know this is a good point above
>
> > I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
> > Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>
> > At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
> > and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
> > fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
> > riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>
> > Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>
> J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
> things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
Maybe if we all chipped in for some 32mm Paselas, he'd be less
grouchy.
T
Tom Sherman
Guest
landotter wrote:
> On Apr 8, 8:47 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>>> You know this is a good point above
>>> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
>>> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>>> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
>>> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
>>> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
>>> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>>> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>> J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
>> things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
>
> Maybe if we all chipped in for some 32mm Paselas, he'd be less
> grouchy.
Maybe Jobst would prefer a bottle of Jim Beam instead.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
> On Apr 8, 8:47 pm, Tom Sherman <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> landotter <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> I'm getting addicted to fatter street tires.
>>> You know this is a good point above
>>> I think this is another thing I'm disliking abt the
>>> Novara Randonee..... the narrower tires
>>> At age 50 I don't have the "balance: I used to have....
>>> and the narrower touring bike tires (as compared to a
>>> fatter 26" mt bike slick) makes me a bit nervous when
>>> riding over cracks and seams in the road.
>>> Any thoughts or agreement on this?
>> J. Brandt is in his mid 70's and rides a road bike with 25-mm tires on
>> things like hiking trails and unimproved roads.
>
> Maybe if we all chipped in for some 32mm Paselas, he'd be less
> grouchy.
Maybe Jobst would prefer a bottle of Jim Beam instead.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
R
Roger
Guest
First time posting to this group. This is just a suggestion for you guys.
Where I live, we have auction house's that I call "junk man's paradise".
Bicycles are always showing up. Some are good, need a little adjustment and
cleaning. Others are good for parts only. The stuff comes from storage
units, private consignors, estates. Bought my daughter a nice Trek 6000 for
$30.00. Just something to think about.
Roger
Where I live, we have auction house's that I call "junk man's paradise".
Bicycles are always showing up. Some are good, need a little adjustment and
cleaning. Others are good for parts only. The stuff comes from storage
units, private consignors, estates. Bought my daughter a nice Trek 6000 for
$30.00. Just something to think about.
Roger
D
datakoll
Guest
T
Tom Sherman
Guest
datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>
> only fine condition used bike I ever saw is the one I ride.
I purchased a used trike that had been ridden for less than 10 miles for
about 55% of what it cost new.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> only fine condition used bike I ever saw is the one I ride.
I purchased a used trike that had been ridden for less than 10 miles for
about 55% of what it cost new.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
C
Carl Sundquist
Guest
"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>>
>> only fine condition used bike I ever saw is the one I ride.
>
> I purchased a used trike that had been ridden for less than 10 miles for
> about 55% of what it cost new.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
About 30 years ago, I happened upon and bought an Alex Singer touring bike
for $75 (the original owner had drowned on a rafting trip in Colorado and
his sister inherited it). The only bit you could even potentially say was in
less than fine condition was the fact that it had those God-awful Mafac
Racer brakes.
news:[email protected]...
> datakoll aka gene daniels wrote:
>>
>> only fine condition used bike I ever saw is the one I ride.
>
> I purchased a used trike that had been ridden for less than 10 miles for
> about 55% of what it cost new.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
About 30 years ago, I happened upon and bought an Alex Singer touring bike
for $75 (the original owner had drowned on a rafting trip in Colorado and
his sister inherited it). The only bit you could even potentially say was in
less than fine condition was the fact that it had those God-awful Mafac
Racer brakes.
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