I have a Davidson. All steel. Even the fork. Mostly Ultegra and Ritchey WCS. I weighed it when I first got it and I recall it being around 21 pounds. May not sound very light, but it is a big frame. Back in the mid seventies, a mid size, pro level bike would weigh about this same amount. I'd say the weight of a steel bike has come down, but not a lot. I'd like to see how light you could make a steel bike, using the lightest tubing and lightest components. Certainly under 18. And with a carbon fork?