How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

Discussion in 'Cycling Equipment' started by Joe West, Oct 2, 2004.

  1. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    You've knocked it out of the park, cbjessee, but i fear you're dealing with one of life's irrational lunatics.

    There's no changing the mind of those so blind they can't see.

    I've owned firearms since the age of twelve. I've never shot anyone. My firearms have never injured anyone.

    Unlike others, I do not fear a cold piece of inannimate steel.

    I respect it.

    Just as i respect what a 2-ton Cadillac Escalade can do to me on the road.
     


  2. Hive

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    Good point.

    But, the idea of choosing to be shot or beaten ( above) begs the question and serves no purpose.

    No one should ever be in that position, metaphorically or in fact.

    No person has the right to assault another, gun-, club- or fist-wise.

    You come to me and move into my personal circle and look malevolent, you may be in big trouble. Like porn, you know fear when you see it (feel it). Trouble is, unless one has been there, it seems surreal, but it is not, just ask a cop and someone who has been assaulted and lived.

    There is no argument here: you take care of yourself and others or you don't. That is it!

    Simple choice. It's your life and should be your choice. The means is not important.

    End of discussion!
     
  3. stevebaby

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    Irrelevant to the issue of gun licensing,as guns have rarely been used (or necessary) for self defence.

    Irrelevant to the issue of gun licensing.

    And perhaps people are more willing to report trivial offences and offences without injury, and perhaps people are trying to get compensation from the "Victims of Crime' Compensation schemes, and perhaps relaxation of liquor licensing laws is a factor, or more violence on television and movies, or violent video games.
    In fact...perhaps lots of reasons.Blaming the increase in violence (most likely to occur in the home by a relative or friend) on the requirement to licence guns is dishonest and unless you establish a causal relationship between two events it's nonsense.

    Again, unless you establish a causal relationship between the restrictions on semi-automatic rifles and shotguns and violent crimes (most of which occur in the home between family members and friends)...you're lying again.
    The number of homicides has fallen from 354 in 1996 to 295 in 2005 and there have been no mass shootings since the laws were enacted.

    Page 61..."Violent crime as measured by the BCS has fallen by 43% since a peak in 1995.
    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs06/hosb1206.pdf
    hosb1206.pdf (application/pdf Object)
     
  4. cbjesseeNH

    cbjesseeNH New Member

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    Sadly, yes. If you were to say it's raining cats & dogs, some such people will say nonsense, put on sunglasses to prove it must be sunny, and call you a liar, stupid and other insults and invectives.

    On the one hand, it's like riding with those Cat 5s - as long as you keep them behind you, they can't crash you, but they are still good for warming the group up at the beginning.

    But on the other hand, you don't hear as many insults and invectives coming from the back of the pack as you hear from these losers.

    Still, they are good for the warmup, and then we are ready to spin off to the front where the real action is happening. Aside from whatever they do with their own island-based small populations, they have little or no impact on the globe. Certainly none on the US. If font size were proportional to impact, all their talk could be engraved on a grain of rice, with room left for The OED, Brittanica and Bible.

    After taking away upwards of a million guns, the they have managed to trim about 50 homicides per year off their statistics, and seem well willing to accept ever increasing violent crime rates in trade. We have added 10s of millions of guns and have seen violent crime rates drop. If not relevant statistics to them - then they have chosen their own fate.

    Yet they insist what's good for the goose must be good for the gander. While their goose is getting cooked, we are fortunate to be far, far away.
     
  5. stevebaby

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    Now you're making progress!
    :D :D :D
     
  6. stevebaby

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    Yet another lie.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-30-violent-crimes_x.htm
    USATODAY.com - Violent crime on the rise, summit participants say

    http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel06/prelim2005061206.htm
    Federal Bureau of Investigation - Press Release - June 12, 2006

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-10-31-fla-crime-rate_x.htm
    Florida searches for root of surge in violent crime - USATODAY.com

    Violent crime increasing in USA!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  7. stevebaby

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    More cliched gibberish.
    Using your flawed "logic" you would have to agree that, as North Korea, Iran and Pakistan have never used nuclear weapons to kill anyone, then it's a good idea for them to have nuclear weapons.
     
  8. Akadat

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    Australia:

    From childhood, toy guns are banned along with any other kind of violent behaviour. Spanking (not the kinky variety) is banned, and discipline in schools is banned. We see calls for further bans every day – ban killer dogs, ban cats, ban smoking in cars, ban guns etc. The nanny government is fully supported by those who need a nanny, and the government is too willing to oblige.

    Watch out for independent thinkers; people who do it for themselves and who take personal responsibility. They are very dangerous because they do not listen to nanny and do stuff like shooting and riding bicycles, and will actually consider defending themselves. They are everywhere silently pursuing their devious ways, and any who dare to voice their opinions publicly must be swiftly ridiculed and rebutted. Nanny applauds the more obnoxious anti-gun comments on this forum.

    Of course Australia is right and the USA is wrong. Do not forget that the USA owes us big time. Remember Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq? Our soldiers fought for you people, our soldiers used guns, you people got it all wrong and still use guns, so when we need help you better help us with your guns, and another thing - we got the Kangaroo!
     
  9. Matt888

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    So a chemical loaded Missiles aren't bad. Nuclear missiles are fine. Just the people that launch them is it?

    Yeah right??:rolleyes:

    This gets funnier and funnier.
     
  10. cbjesseeNH

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    So, data from official AUS sources showing a continuous rise in AUS violent crime is irrelevant, but a few years of fluctuation after a 10yr continuous, 2-fold drop in US violent crime, over the same period where gun ownership and state CCW increased dramatically, amounts to a lie? http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cv2.htm
     
  11. cbjesseeNH

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    Got a call from AUS a few weeks back - a vendor looking to sell kangaroo body parts for biomedical purposes. We might just take those critters off your hands. Only those that die of natural causes, of course - we don't want to have people going around shooting them to sell to us in the US and blaming us for increased firearms macropusacide rates. ;)
     
  12. cbjesseeNH

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    Is it the metal ores that are bad? Perhaps the ingots of metal? Or maybe the CNC machines?

    The gun blueprints and CNC programs must accept the moral responsibility for the firearms-related crime?

    Are common bolts to be used in guns, that are sold by vendors, bad at production, when ordered or received by gun manufacturers, or only when they become part of a gun?

    Is a cop's gun bad? As, at some point, it may be resold, lost or stolen and get into the hands of a crook, are the police perpetuating the corruption of otherwise moral, ethical and good objects?

    With the chief means of homicide in AUS stabbings, it would appear cutlery has taken the lead there in items of moral terpitude. But if willing to endure continually increasing violent crime rates to save as many as 50 lives per annum lost to firearms, I'm sure the much larger toll in lives lost to bad kives will be incentive to ban these evil objects. What small price to pay if one has to tear meat apart with hands and teeth?
     
  13. stevebaby

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    What a shame! You were just starting to get the picture and now you've gone all loopy again!
    Dosage problem? :D
     
  14. jhuskey

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    People are not bad except for Stevebaby. He is bad and should only be used by a trained and licensed individual!
     
  15. n2t

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    actualy it is part of the gun that contains the evil. The nut behind the trigger. People are the responsible for their actions. It wasn't the gun, or the bullet, or whatever it was your choice. There are accidents with guns, cars and whatnot, and it's unfortunate, but in generaly in the case of voilence it's a choice so maybe free will is to blame.
     
  16. stevebaby

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    Quite so. Despite my best efforts, Mrs. SB has proved to be untrainable.
    I'm dangerous. I should be banned, even though none of my accidental discharges have resulted in a fatality.
     
  17. stevebaby

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    Using your logic...heroin and cocaine are not inherently evil. Illegal narcotics don't kill people, they kill themselves. Nobody ever saw heroin or cocaine jump up and inject themselves into a vein. Despite laws banning dangerous drugs, criminals continue to get them...therefore there should be no restrictions on their availability.
     
  18. stevebaby

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    In fact, none of my deliberate discharges have resulted in a fatality either.
    I should still be banned though. :D
     
  19. matagi

    matagi Well-Known Member

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    Actually, there is just such an argument with regard to illegal drugs, which goes something like this ......

    If they were readily available, you could ensure purity of supply, and given that it is the stuff the drugs are "cut" with that cause most of the health problems, you would reduce the associated health costs. Also, if the stuff was easily obtainable, the price would come down and theoretically there would be a reduction in crime rates as people would not need to steal in order to fund their habit.

    Given the dismal failure of prohibition with regard to illegal drugs, it is probably worth considering the alternative.

    Anyway, sorry for the digression, you may return to your usual programming.
     
  20. CAMPYBOB

    CAMPYBOB Well-Known Member

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    There is no cliche here.

    The individual citizen has not only the constitutional right, but the moral obligation and the responsibility to defend himself. If I ever use a firearm to defend myself it will be more than just a "good idea" to me.

    And my opinion is the only one that matters in that case. Certainly not yours. Certainly not the man intent upon doing me harm. The law is very explicit as to when deadly force can be used. If that ever becomes necessary, god forbid, rest assured that there will be one less criminal on the planet.

    So far, you have managed to type pages and pages of words, toss about some slurs and not change a single mind on the subject. As far as "logic" and debating skills go I would say you are at the bottom of the bell curve.

    I've lost three cycling friends to automobiles.

    None to firearms.
     
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